Puzzle Solved for Greg Mendell’s name/license plate/phone

[schmacky]

Very interesting points. Some of those things are obvious nods like the theme song, 138, and r242. The rest? Who knows, maybe you’re onto something. One thing I know for sure though:

his charger that Emma plugs into the phone has a huge star on it

That wasn’t a charger. That was actually Emma’s keychain and that was her hacking tool or whatever. She used it in the pilot as well on Henry’s computer.

[Myril]

@TheGoldenKey: We have a different understanding of what a clue is. And I leave it at that. Thanks for the conversation.

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[gypsy]

TheGoldenKey –

I like your theory. You bring up a lot of good points and alot of the clues fit.

I know, from working with you on our Dr Whale/Dr Frankenstein theory for all those weeks leading up to eps 5, that you definitely know the difference between a nod, a clue, an easter egg and a red herring 🙂
We definitely were led down many roads researching that one!
Surprising what can actually turn out to be a clue if you know where to look 😉

Kellyn –

I like your ‘Never Ending Story’ idea in relation to TGK’s theory.
Makes me think of Stephen King’s ‘The Dark Tower’. He too, was a character in his own book. And considering the ton of Stephen King clues throughout the show, I think that theme fits in a fun way…….

Loved Emma’s Stephen King/Shawshank Redemption reference in ‘The Outsider’ 🙂

[TheGoldenKey]

@Schmacky wrote:

Very interesting points. Some of those things are obvious nods like the theme song, 138, and r242. The rest? Who knows, maybe you’re onto something. One thing I know for sure though:

his charger that Emma plugs into the phone has a huge star on it

That wasn’t a charger. That was actually Emma’s keychain and that was her hacking tool or whatever. She used it in the pilot as well on Henry’s computer.

Couldn’t agree with you more Schmacky about the THX1138 and Star Wars connections and you’re right, they couldn’t have been more obvious.

So, it was Emma’s hacking tool that was used? 😆 I kept trying to figure out what it was. In any regard, it had a huge star on it which was just another nod to Star Wars in my mind.

As for the rest of it, not sure if I am on to something. As I said in this thread, I’m mulling over different theories and I’ve been open minded about them all. Thought I’d throw this theory out for an open discussion. Big mistake, obviously. 😮

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[evilqueen]

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

So, it was Emma’s hacking tool that was used? 😆 I kept trying to figure out what it was. In any regard, it had a huge star on it which was just another nod to Star Wars in my mind.

I don’t know, the exact same star was in the pilot and as we know, back then they were just throwing an a bit random episode to see how viewers like it. I don’t think they had Star Wars in mind back in that time. To me it’s more a reminder that Emma has a lot of [guiding] “stars” around her – the key chain, her sheriff badge, even the blue star she had on her ‘birthday’ cake.

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

Thought I’d throw this theory out for an open discussion. Big mistake, obviously. 😮

You don’t like open discussion? 😈 😆

[TheGoldenKey]

“TheGoldenKey”
However, this thread isn’t about Greg Mendell’s fairy tale counterpart, if indeed he even has one. This theory is about Greg Mendell, the Outsider, and what he does for a living and what connection, as a OUTSIDER, he may have towards Storybrooke.

“Phee”
For me, the two things are connected, but that’s because I think he’s WofOz. Someone originally from our world, who went to Oz, then came back, and I think that whatever he’s been doing in our world, has been a personal search for SB, which he has an interest in as someone who has past experience with magical, storybook characters.

I think his arrival in town will show a converging of the scientific and the magical, a theme which they’ve already laid the groundwork for with the Frankenstein stuff. Viktor doesn’t have any true allies in town when it comes to science vs magic, and he’s started to lose hope. But if WofOz, someone who is more scientist than the magician he was once believed to be, was able to use his research in our non-magical world to locate SB, then that’s a little victory for science over magic, which could have an impact on Viktor’s beliefs and how the character progresses.

Greg’s place in the town could ultimately relate to the search for a way back to FTL, (another theme they’ve laid the groundwork for), if he has experience in finding ways to magical lands from our world. He did it when he went to Oz, he did it when he found SB, so it stands to reason that he should be able to find a way to FTL too. So like I said, for me, his potential storybook character past and his position in the real world and his connection to SB, are all intertwined, so I can’t really discuss one without considering the other as well.

Phee, I understand that. On other threads we’ve discussed the possibility of him being the WofOz, Peter Pan, even Jekyll/Hyde. I’m still juggling all those theories. However, I didn’t ask who Greg was on this thread, I shared a theory about what if he’s an outsider, who wrote Henry’s book. I was looking for feedback on this particular theory and that’s why I created a separate thread.

“TheGoldenKey” I’m open minded to consider all theories at this stage of the game because there is still so much information and clues to come. Having said that, what if he is just an outsider? Is it that far fetched to consider that he could be the writer of the book? The clues I’ve listed would certainly support this. K&H did say, last year, that we’d meet the author of the book this season.

“Phee” I don’t personally make the connection to him being a writer, given what we’ve seen of him thus far. For me, the food critic theory is a bit of a leap, and I think they just showed him tweeting food pics because it’s a mundane thing that many mundane people do, and they’re trying to fool us into believing he’s just a regular guy.

I’ve thought for ages that Blue Fairy wrote the book, as she was in a position to know everyone’s stories. And I think she planted it with MM in SB with the intent that it’d end up in Henry’s hands, which would get him clued into the curse business, which would drive him to find Emma. So when K&H say we’ll meet the writer of the book, I figure that means it’ll be a reveal that Blue wrote it, and Greg wouldn’t have a place in that storyline if I stick with that line of thinking I’ve had for ages.

If Greg did write the book, then how did it end up in SB? The tone of his phonecall didn’t sound to me like someone who was revisiting a place he’d been before. And if he’d sent the book there instead of delivering it, then he’d have already known where the town was, and wouldn’t be all excited to have stumbled on now.

Yes! 😀 We are now discussing the theory at hand.

I can understand you taking all the pictures on his cell phone as meaning that he’s a regular Joe Blow. That certainly gives me food for thought. 😉 I do have to say though, the first thing that jumped through my mind was that he was a food critic. But then, maybe I’m watching too many food network shows these days. 😀

I agree about Blue potentially writing the book. I”ve also considered Jefferson as he had maintained his memory all throughout the 28 years. In Hat Trick, he was all too familiar with Henry’s book as he tried to convince Emma about books being real. He had an awful lot to say about books when you think about it.

Henry’s book could have been one of hundreds that were published through a publisher. There are many books in Storybrooke. They came from the outside world, just as all their supplies did and still do. Wouldn’t be unusual for a copy of his book to have been there without Greg’s knowledge.

“Kellyn1604” So, I was thinking about Greg being the author of the book and it reminded me of The Neverending Story. A book where the characters are real and living the plot and a little boy reading it becomes part of the plot. In our case, the author becomes a part of it….a character in his own story…I like it.

“Phee” I do love me some Neverending Story, but could Greg’s age be a glitch in that theory? Ethan’s 34, the curse happened about 29 years ago, (if we include the time that’s passed since Emma got to town), which means if Greg is a real world person, (similar to Bastian), he was only about 5 when SB arrived, and by that point, all of FTL history had played out, without any interaction from him reading it. Events in SB aren’t in the book, so he can’t have read about that part of the story to end up being a part of it that way.

Ah, this is the feedback I was looking for 😀 You bring up an excellent point Phee. Going to have to think on this. Let me ask you though. Would Greg’s age not throw a glitch in him being the WofOz? I know back when I posted the thread “Ethan Embry is”, I stated I’d love to see him as the WofOz, however, his age was throwing me off as I thought he’d be at least in his 50’s. In 2×05, The Doctor, the Ruby Slippers are discussed and from Jefferson’s response it seems that they have already slipped out of Oz, presumably on Dorothy’s feet. That would have been at least 15 years prior to the curse thus being 43 years ago. Are you assuming that Greg remained in Oz all those years and has just recently returned?

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[TheGoldenKey]

@myril wrote:

@TheGoldenKey: We have a different understanding of what a clue is. And I leave it at that. Thanks for the conversation.

I think it’s fair to say that a clue is only a clue IF a theory based on said clue comes to fruition. Until such time, they are nods and references or potential clues and are open for grabs. Take Pennsylvania plates as an example.

Clue to Baum’s oil fields IF Greg is the WofOz.
Clue to Can’t Hardly Wait IF Greg is the writer.
Nod to Can’t Hardly Wait IF Greg is just a regular Joe Blow.

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[TheGoldenKey]

@Gypsy wrote:

TheGoldenKey –

I like your theory. You bring up a lot of good points and alot of the clues fit.

I know, from working with you on our Dr Whale/Dr Frankenstein theory for all those weeks leading up to eps 5, that you definitely know the difference between a nod, a clue, an easter egg and a red herring 🙂
We definitely were led down many roads researching that one!
Surprising what can actually turn out to be a clue if you know where to look 😉

Kellyn –

I like your ‘Never Ending Story’ idea in relation to TGK’s theory.
Makes me think of Stephen King’s ‘The Dark Tower’. He too, was a character in his own book. And considering the ton of Stephen King clues throughout the show, I think that theme fits in a fun way…….

Loved Emma’s Stephen King/Shawshank Redemption reference in ‘The Outsider’ 🙂

Thanks Gypsy 😀

I really like Kellyn’s ideas as well. However, Phee made a credible point. How could Greg have written the book 28 years ago? Something to definitely think about. 😕

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[Phee]

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

“Phee” I don’t personally make the connection to him being a writer, given what we’ve seen of him thus far. For me, the food critic theory is a bit of a leap, and I think they just showed him tweeting food pics because it’s a mundane thing that many mundane people do, and they’re trying to fool us into believing he’s just a regular guy.

I’ve thought for ages that Blue Fairy wrote the book, as she was in a position to know everyone’s stories. And I think she planted it with MM in SB with the intent that it’d end up in Henry’s hands, which would get him clued into the curse business, which would drive him to find Emma. So when K&H say we’ll meet the writer of the book, I figure that means it’ll be a reveal that Blue wrote it, and Greg wouldn’t have a place in that storyline if I stick with that line of thinking I’ve had for ages.

If Greg did write the book, then how did it end up in SB? The tone of his phonecall didn’t sound to me like someone who was revisiting a place he’d been before. And if he’d sent the book there instead of delivering it, then he’d have already known where the town was, and wouldn’t be all excited to have stumbled on now.

Yes! 😀 We are now discussing the theory at hand.

I can understand you taking all the pictures on his cell phone as meaning that he’s a regular Joe Blow. That certainly gives me food for thought. 😉 I do have to say though, the first thing that jumped through my mind was that he was a food critic. But then, maybe I’m watching too many food network shows these days. 😀

And maybe I see too much random food talk from friends in my Twitter feed. I often know what folks are having for dinner. 😉 There was one time I recall where a couple of friends were RTing pics from Neil Patrick Harris, who was at one of those uber fancy restaurants where your meal consists of about 20 small courses, all of them ridiculous gourmet stuff, and he tweeted about each course as it came to the table. Not because he was writing a review, just because he wanted to share what he was eating, (I don’t follow him, but from what I’ve heard, I gather he’s got a rep as a foodie because he often tweets about delicious stuff he’s eating). Also, Greg’s pics had hashtags, which I wouldn’t associate with someone who’s a professional food critic, I just associate it with a regular guy who wanted to be all, #thiswasseriouslyawesomeyoushouldtryitsometime

Henry’s book could have been one of hundreds that were published through a publisher. There are many books in Storybrooke. They came from the outside world, just as all their supplies did and still do. Wouldn’t be unusual for a copy of his book to have been there without Greg’s knowledge.

I’ve always considered Henry’s book to be a one off. If there were lots of copies of it circulating around in our world, then the true stories, as in the book, aren’t as special or unique, because the whole world would have known about them. There’s a line in an ep somewhere where Emma, I think, makes a comment about the versions in Henry’s book being different to the ones you usually hear. Can’t recall what ep it was in to look up the exact quote, though.

“Phee” I do love me some Neverending Story, but could Greg’s age be a glitch in that theory? Ethan’s 34, the curse happened about 29 years ago, (if we include the time that’s passed since Emma got to town), which means if Greg is a real world person, (similar to Bastian), he was only about 5 when SB arrived, and by that point, all of FTL history had played out, without any interaction from him reading it. Events in SB aren’t in the book, so he can’t have read about that part of the story to end up being a part of it that way.

Ah, this is the feedback I was looking for 😀 You bring up an excellent point Phee. Going to have to think on this. Let me ask you though. Would Greg’s age not throw a glitch in him being the WofOz? I know back when I posted the thread “Ethan Embry is”, I stated I’d love to see him as the WofOz, however, his age was throwing me off as I thought he’d be at least in his 50’s. In 2×05, The Doctor, the Ruby Slippers are discussed and from Jefferson’s response it seems that they have already slipped out of Oz, presumably on Dorothy’s feet. That would have been at least 15 years prior to the curse thus being 43 years ago. Are you assuming that Greg remained in Oz all those years and has just recently returned?

I think once you start jumping between worlds, you don’t necessarily have to stick to a linear timeline. If you did, then we’d have no possibility for present, modern day Bae, (for those who think he came straight here, without bypassing another land first, where he couldn’t age). You can jump across “time and space” if need be. WofOz, and Dorothy, could have jumped from Oz to any point in time in our world, just like Bae could have. WofOz is traditionally considered to be older, but then, so is Hook. 😉 Maybe WofOz was actually only 30-ish when he left Oz, and he landed in our world recently on our real world timeline, even if he left Oz at the same time that Dorothy used the slippers.

[TheGoldenKey]

Funny thing about the hashtags. I actually looked up bestprimeribever and filetmignon to see what came up on twitter! LOL! I even went to LinkedIn and checked out all the Greg Mendell & Mendel’s. Nothing, zero, nadda, zilch! 😆

As for Henry’s book being one of a kind, yes, I guess it would depend on who wrote it. Straying away from the writer thing though I haven’t quite given it up yet. 😉

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I think once you start jumping between worlds, you don’t necessarily have to stick to a linear timeline. If you did, then we’d have no possibility for present, modern day Bae, (for those who think he came straight here, without bypassing another land first, where he couldn’t age). You can jump across “time and space” if need be. WofOz, and Dorothy, could have jumped from Oz to any point in time in our world, just like Bae could have. WofOz is traditionally considered to be older, but then, so is Hook. 😉 Maybe WofOz was actually only 30-ish when he left Oz, and he landed in our world recently on our real world timeline, even if he left Oz at the same time that Dorothy used the slippers.[/quote]

Like your way of thinking Phee 😀 I’ll have to come back to this post to quote this when explaining time frames in the future.

Well, lots of leads right now that can take us anywhere in the future. Hope to see a lot more in the next few episodes. I’ll be paying close attention to every little word Greg says, his tone, facial expressions and body language. 😉

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

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