Reactions to Rumple’s Actions

[lisas]

@Ser_Dragon wrote:

The only one responsible for what Snow have done to Cora is none other than Cora. Cora who wanted to become the new Dark One. Cora who sent Hook in Manhattan. Cora who tried to kill all the Charmings. Cora who was about to kill Rumpel.

What do you think seriously? If you where Rumpel wouldn’t you want to do anything to avoid dying? Wouldn’t you trade your life for the one of an evil witch who want nothing but kill everyone to gain power including you? What would you do? Ask yourself this and answer in all conscience, with sincerity, what would you do?

And Snow isn’t responsible for Daniel death, I’m tired of people holding this against her. She was a little girl. She was naive, she was a child who choose to trust an adult. Cora and Cora only is responsible for Daniel death. End of story.

I agree Cora has nobody to blame for what ultimately happened to her but herself. She started down this path of wanting revenge before she even met Rumple. Granted Rumple did amplify her need for revenge and her quest for power by teaching her magic but I don’t think Rumple is completely responsible for the bloodlust she had or the murders she committed in my opinion that mindset was already inside of her, case in point she murdered Snow’s mother Queen Eva years later for the humiliation she suffered at Eva’s & the king’s hands. She continued her vengeance on Eva’s daughter Snow who was an innocent child at the time and knew nothing about the history that Eva had with Cora, etc.

Cora passed on her anger and need for revenge on Snow to Regina, by killing Daniel. Snow didn’t kill Regina’s true love that was all Cora.

Rumple I feel was justified in taking the actions that he did to save his life. He really didn’t have any other options. Granted the method and the way he went about it by manipulating Snow to use the candle is questionable it is understandable given the circumstances after all Cora recruited Hook to bring her to Storybrooke knowing full that Hook wanted to kill Rumple. She made sure Rumple would be leave Storybrooke and find Bae, she also knew that Hook would most likely find a way to get to Rumple outside of Storybrooke because that would be his one chance to kill him. She set Hook on that path knowing full well what could happen.

Rumple’s actions were justified but they were also questionable in the way he manipulated Snow. All the hurt and heartache that Snow had over the years was started by Cora. In my opinion Snow was equally justified in wanting to kill Cora for killing her mother, etc which is what Rumple played on to manipulate her. It’s understandable what would drive these two to become united in killing Cora.

I’m not saying it was100% right or 100% wrong. I’m saying it was not only justified but in the long run it was also necessary to protect the people of Storybrooke and to save their lives and the lives of their families.

[Keb]

Okay, the portal thing, in Gold’s defense: He honestly believed that Cora would beat Emma and Snow. Cora in Storybrooke would have been a serious threat to him (and she DID find his dagger and almost kill him with it) as well as the people he loved (oh and everyone else but let’s face it, Gold probably wasn’t too concerned about them). He told Cora that he had had a vision of their final confrontation, so that probably fed into his belief that it would be Cora to come through any portal.

His telling Regina that the potential collateral damage, Emma and Snow dying, was a win-win for her was a manipulation to get her help, which he apparently needed.

And he apologized to Emma for doubting her when it turned out he was wrong. (We’ve seen him apologize a lot in the last few episodes, but I don’t think he did much of that at all before Belle came back into his life–and most of his apologies have been directed at her or Bae anyway.) Oh, and Emma? She agreed that he had done the right thing in trying to keep Cora out. He didn’t know yet how powerful Emma was (though he had suggested she was more powerful than she knew).

So while he was willing to risk their lives to prevent Dark One Cora (I so suspect she’s tried before…there’s GOT to be more to their story), he wasn’t actually out to kill Snow and Emma with that incident.

He has been totally out to kill Regina (though he didn’t try again after the wraith failed…I guess that’s a step toward trying?) and Hook (who, let’s face it, literally was asking for it)(and for Belle’s sake he didn’t kill Hook. Twice.). Moe was perhaps more victim of one of his tantrums–it wasn’t so much intent to kill as being driven over the cliff by his emotions, but no, he wouldn’t have stopped if Emma hadn’t come in; however, if we’re going to give credit to whomever sets people up–Regina SO set up Moe for that.

I think Cora is the first person he’s actually succeeded in taking a life from since he got to Storybrooke, though not because he never tried. And I do think he values life more highly than younger Dark One Rumple did–the speech about Kathryn (whom Regina contracted for him to, in her mind, kill and he merely kidnapped–something tragic!), and “merely” turning Smee into a rat being my main evidence.

Regina was actually motivated by the idea of killing Emma and Snow at the well, though she too feared Cora’s return (after all, she had tried to assassinate the woman, and had sent her through a mirror…how was she to know that Mommy wanted her back?). Plus Graham, out of pure jealous hatred. Plus she wanted Kathryn dead, tried to kill Snow by having her sent out of Storybrooke, tried to put Emma under the sleeping curse, set up Sidney (who actually DOES love her) to take the fall, etc etc etc, and has only been reforming in the hope of being allowed into Henry’s life. I agree that Regina’s suffered a huge amount of anguish and she’s been manipulated by both Cora and Rumple into the evilness we see, but she’s made some of her own choices along the way, too.

Cora still wins for pure unadulterated evilness in my mind, since while post-curse Gold is almost always motivated in his crimes by his love for Belle/Bae or his own self-defense, and Regina usually by her desire to be with Henry, Cora kills people just because.

Oh, in her absence, can we please see more of King George and his evilness? A loose thread that bears picking up again. Not all the people of Storybrooke are innocent or on the Charmings’ side.

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[RumplesGirl]

Okay, the portal thing, in Gold’s defense: He honestly believed that Cora would beat Emma and Snow. Cora in Storybrooke would have been a serious threat to him (and she DID find his dagger and almost kill him with it) as well as the people he loved (oh and everyone else but let’s face it, Gold probably wasn’t too concerned about them). He told Cora that he had had a vision of their final confrontation, so that probably fed into his belief that it would be Cora to come through any portal

Exactly. In his eyes, Emma and Snow didn’t have magic and magic is power, as we have heard him say so many times. And since he didn’t know the depth of Emma’s magic, he assumed Cora would win.

Cora still wins for pure unadulterated evilness in my mind, since while post-curse Gold is almost always motivated in his crimes by his love for Belle/Bae or his own self-defense, and Regina usually by her desire to be with Henry, Cora kills people just because

Mmmhm. Everything Rumple has done he did for the love he feels for his son. Now granted, many things he’s done have been devious and manipulative and down right terrible BUT he was a parent looking for a child. I’m not a parent myself, but if I was missing I’m sure my mom would move heaven and earth to find me. Regina was manipulated by Rumple, absolutely. But she also made her own choices. She didn’t have to choose to push Cora through the mirror, she didn’t have to choose to be Rumple’s apprentice, she didn’t have to choose to take her father’s heart, she didn’t have to choose to enact the curse. She made many bad choices, motivated by hatred (misplaced hatred mind you) for Snow. But I do consider her to be a victim of her mother and to an extent Rumple. Cora is just a wackadoodle.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[lisas]

@Keb wrote:

Oh, in her absence, can we please see more of King George and his evilness? A loose thread that bears picking up again. Not all the people of Storybrooke are innocent or on the Charmings’ side.

Now I suspect at some point King George will try to go after Emma & Henry just to get at David & Snow. It wouldn’t surprise me if King George teamed back up with the Evil Queen Regina

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[RumplesGirl]

Yeah where is George??? Why isn’t he locked up somewhere? He hacked a man to death. *RIP Gus Gus*

George and Regina should team up, one to take down Charming and one to take down Snow.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Keb]

I’m assuming he IS locked up somewhere, actually, which is why we haven’t seen him. But the Charmings kinda suck at keeping people under custody (Hook anyone?).

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[RumplesGirl]

Yeah. David’s not a very good sheriff.

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