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I think my original thought was maybe that he wrote it with August’s help… but now that I’m reading some of the theories on the Blue Fairy I could see that as an option as well.
I’m not so sure about Regina writing it, interesting as it is. She didn’t know who August was… or the story of how Emma broke away from the curse, right?! Then again, August added his story to the book… which again, makes me wonder if the Blue Fairy had written it, why wasn’t Pinocchio’s story included? Is it because they weren’t supposed to know he took the second spot in the Enchanted Tree? That can’t be the only reason… whereas if August was somehow connected I could see why maybe he omitted his story until absolutely necessary.
[adrotate group="5"]I am probably going way out on a limb here but have any of you considered that he could be Robin Hood? I will say that I do feel he probably is Baelfire, but the stealing aspect (even though it wasn’t exactly from the rich to give to the poor) made me think of Robin Hood. Just a thought.
@rodnesha wrote:
I think my original thought was maybe that he wrote it with August’s help… but now that I’m reading some of the theories on the Blue Fairy I could see that as an option as well.
I’m not so sure about Regina writing it, interesting as it is. She didn’t know who August was… or the story of how Emma broke away from the curse, right?! Then again, August added his story to the book… which again, makes me wonder if the Blue Fairy had written it, why wasn’t Pinocchio’s story included? Is it because they weren’t supposed to know he took the second spot in the Enchanted Tree? That can’t be the only reason… whereas if August was somehow connected I could see why maybe he omitted his story until absolutely necessary.
That would make sense, the deal that was made between Blue, Geppetto, and Pinocchio would certainly be something that all those involved would rather remain unknown. For Pinocchio to disclose the information he did to Emma with his story was almost a a last ditch effort to get Emma to believe. Even with what he did say he hasn’t yet revealed everything. When he actually does tell Emma and the whole deal gets revealed that’ll be a conversation I really look forward to seeing.
@sariebelle wrote:
I am probably going way out on a limb here but have any of you considered that he could be Robin Hood? I will say that I do feel he probably is Baelfire, but the stealing aspect (even though it wasn’t exactly from the rich to give to the poor) made me think of Robin Hood. Just a thought.
Robin Hood and Peter Pan to have oddly similar garb – add a feather and some bows and arrows… tada!
I didn’t think of that BUT… that is an interesting perspective also!
@steliokontos1 wrote:
That would make sense, the deal that was made between Blue, Geppetto, and Pinocchio would certainly be something that all those involved would rather remain unknown. For Pinocchio to disclose the information he did to Emma with his story was almost a a last ditch effort to get Emma to believe. Even with what he did say he hasn’t yet revealed everything. When he actually does tell Emma and the whole deal gets revealed that’ll be a conversation I really look forward to seeing.[/quote]
So not only will August have some explaining to do to Emma, but Snow I could only imagine would have some choice words for Gepetto and TBF… yikes! Yall saw how she’s been taking people out lately… I would not want to be them when the *ish* hits the fan!
wewerecursed- that is a good theory.
Thought you might be interested in my friend’s theory as well, as it also supports the Neal (Henry’s dad)/PP/Bae theory.Good pick up on the Neal Cassady connections…notice at the bottom of this theory, we have come across even more connections!
Daniel, I thought you’d appreciate this too, since you seem so interested 🙂
I’m surprised you haven’t seen TheGoldenKeys theory…it has been posted on here, somewhere, for a while, now 🙂Theory by TheGoldenKey:
While I’ve been theorizing since last Feb. that Bae would end up as Peter Pan. I’m also convinced that he will also be Henry’s dad (Michael Raymond James).
The motivation for J.M. Barrie writing Peter Pan was the death of his 13 year old brother. His brother died 2 days before his 14th birthday. Note that Bae was 14 when he disappeared.
Barrie called Peter and the children of Neverland `lost boys`. This was in reference to parents that had lost children to death, as his mother had. Note that Rumples ALWAYS refers to Bae as being `lost`.
Peter Pan and the other lost boys were caught between two worlds. Life & death. Note that Bae is caught between two worlds, magic & real world.
The Blue Fairy instructs Bae to follow the magic bean wherever it leads him. This leads us to believe that he went to at least one other world before reaching ours.
Robert Carlyle has admitted that Rumples is several centuries old. So timeline for Bae going missing is many centuries as well, as he went through the vortex when Rumples first took power. The 1st and 2nd Ogre Wars also show us that time frame. This was long before Snow, PC, EQ, Gepetto, Jiminy, etc. So, considering that Bae is several centuries old, it would make sense if he landed in Neverland and remained 14 prior to coming to the real world.
Peter Pan would travel to the real world and bring children back to Neverland. Emma was an orphan, living in an orphanage. What if Peter traveled there looking for `lost boys`. Bae had a friend Morraine back in FTL. I believe a young Emma would have resembled Morraine in many ways. Perhaps Peter became quite taken with Emma and decided to stay. Perhaps Emma convinced him to stay, just as Wendy attempted to do in the original story. Perhaps he ended up in that same orphanage from 14 on, developed a friendship with Emma that ended in their late teens. That could also bring into play the possibility of Bae, aka Peter Pan, being Henry`s father.
We now have Captain Hook in SB. K&H also stated that we would find out about Bae this season as we would about Henry`s father. Funny how they have brought Michael Raymond-James in, with a recurring role, and have been so secretive about his character. Let`s not forget how uncanny his resemblance is to Dylan Schmid, young Baelfire.
This has been my theory since last February that Bae would end up as Peter Pan. Recent spoilers have only convinced more. In the upcoming issue of TV Guide, posted here under the News tab, Josh Dallas says this about Emma & Henry’s father: “there is a certain percentage of this man that Emma knows, and a certain part that she doesn’t. She had some sort of relationship with him, but there is an element of surprise for Emma as to the fullness of who this man is.” This would follow my theory of Peter Pan showing up at Emma’s orphanage at 14 and remaining for a number of years. She knows him as an adolescent/young adult from the orphanage but has no idea of his Fairy Tale character.Go team Bae/Peter Pan/Henry’s father.
In 2×06, Tallahassee, we see several nods to Neverland/Peter Pan.
1) Emma mentions Neverland while climbing the beanstalk. Hook replies in reference to Lost Boys.
2) Emma mentions Neverland again in the motel room with Neal. When selecting a place to go, Neal tells Emma to close her eyes and pick a place. In Peter Pan, Peter tells Wendy to close your eyes……..and you’ll see Neverland.
3) Same dream catcher in Neals apt. and in motel room. Screams Tiger Lily.
4) August says to Neal “Been awhile, where did you go?” Neal replies, “I tried to lose myself, it didn’t work.” Lose as in Lost Boys or Rumple saying his son was Lost to him.
5) Neal repeatedly wears the same green hoody. Peter wore green and Bae wore the green cloak. Note we see Henry in the BBQ picture with a green cloak and blue scarf similar to Bae’s.
TheGoldenKey asked me to add this to her theory (by Gypsy):
Neal Cassady- NY City guy’s name (alias..??). Real person, often called the Peter Pan of his time. Part of the Beat Generation.
Was the inspiration for the character Mac in “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”- nod – Psyche Ward Nurse (Ratched)/ Guy sweeping (Chief).
Inspiration for the Character Dean Moriarty in Jack Keruoac’s “On The Road”- nod, LOST- name on Ben’s passport.
Earned the nickname Cowboy in the documentary “Magic Trip” along with the Grateful Dead. Neal drove the “Further” Bus from San Fran to NY.
Inspiration for the Dead song “The Other One”- lyrics; “Cowboy Neal, at the Wheel, on the bus to Never Never Land…”
Peter Pan Bus Co. is based in NY and has been since the 1930″s…also, famous bakery- Peter Pan Pastries is in NY.
Another Dead song about Neal- “Cassidy” (yes, diff spelling), some of the lyrics-” Born to me, Cassidy…”
The Grateful Dead ties in with the Geronimo Jackson clues- sticker on Emma’s car, CD in Henry’s backpack, sticker on Neal’s phone.
Geronimo Jackson was a fictitious band, based on the Grateful Dead, created by K&H for LOST.
I don’t think Neal is going to be Peter Pan. As for being Bae, it’s possible but if he’s not, I think he’s defintely going to be related to Bae in some way.
@Gypsy wrote:
Theory by TheGoldenKey:
The Blue Fairy instructs Bae to follow the magic bean wherever it leads him. This leads us to believe that he went to at least one other world before reaching ours.
I think the bean is a one time use thing. I always interpreted the follow wherever it leads him line as Blue Fairy telling him not to be afraid of going through the portal bust just to follow where the bean takes him.
Robert Carlyle has admitted that Rumples is several centuries old. So timeline for Bae going missing is many centuries as well, as he went through the vortex when Rumples first took power. The 1st and 2nd Ogre Wars also show us that time frame. This was long before Snow, PC, EQ, Gepetto, Jiminy, etc. So, considering that Bae is several centuries old, it would make sense if he landed in Neverland and remained 14 prior to coming to the real world.
As I’ve said I consider the bean to be a one time use thing. I think the bean took Bae to a land without magic but there is a time difference between fairytale land and our world. Whilst Bae left centuries before the curse was cast, I think he arrived in our world decades before the cursees did. See my Henry’s father is Bae’s son theory.
Peter Pan would travel to the real world and bring children back to Neverland. Emma was an orphan, living in an orphanage. What if Peter traveled there looking for `lost boys`. Bae had a friend Morraine back in FTL. I believe a young Emma would have resembled Morraine in many ways. Perhaps Peter became quite taken with Emma and decided to stay. Perhaps Emma convinced him to stay, just as Wendy attempted to do in the original story. Perhaps he ended up in that same orphanage from 14 on, developed a friendship with Emma that ended in their late teens. That could also bring into play the possibility of Bae, aka Peter Pan, being Henry`s father.
Neal is Henry’s father and Emma only met him when she tried to steal the car. If Neal is Bae who is Peter Pan, then he couldn’t have possibly been in the same orphanage as Emma.Also, Emma didn’t believe in magic, had she met Peter Pan during her time in the system then surely she would have been a bit more open minded to the possibility of magic in season 1.
We now have Captain Hook in SB. K&H also stated that we would find out about Bae this season as we would about Henry`s father. Funny how they have brought Michael Raymond-James in, with a recurring role, and have been so secretive about his character. Let`s not forget how uncanny his resemblance is to Dylan Schmid, young Baelfire.
I don’t see the resemblance to Dylan Schmid, however if you could post side by side photos of the two then it would be appreciated. I think Neal is Bae’s son. There is definitely a link to Bae but I’m not entirely convinced he is Bae.
This has been my theory since last February that Bae would end up as Peter Pan. Recent spoilers have only convinced more. In the upcoming issue of TV Guide, posted here under the News tab, Josh Dallas says this about Emma & Henry’s father: “there is a certain percentage of this man that Emma knows, and a certain part that she doesn’t. She had some sort of relationship with him, but there is an element of surprise for Emma as to the fullness of who this man is.” This would follow my theory of Peter Pan showing up at Emma’s orphanage at 14 and remaining for a number of years. She knows him as an adolescent/young adult from the orphanage but has no idea of his Fairy Tale character.Go team Bae/Peter Pan/Henry’s father.
Neal is Henry’s father. She only met him when she stole the car therefore he can’t be Peter Pan and be at the same orphanage as Emma.
As for “there is a certain percentage of this man that Emma knows, and a certain part that she doesn’t. She had some sort of relationship with him, but there is an element of surprise for Emma as to the fullness of who this man is.” Finding out the man you love is related to the cause of the curse and the creator of the curse that destroyed your family would certainly be a surprise.
n 2×06, Tallahassee, we see several nods to Neverland/Peter Pan.
1) Emma mentions Neverland while climbing the beanstalk. Hook replies in reference to Lost Boys.
2) Emma mentions Neverland again in the motel room with Neal. When selecting a place to go, Neal tells Emma to close her eyes and pick a place. In Peter Pan, Peter tells Wendy to close your eyes……..and you’ll see Neverland.
3) Same dream catcher in Neals apt. and in motel room. Screams Tiger Lily.
4) August says to Neal “Been awhile, where did you go?” Neal replies, “I tried to lose myself, it didn’t work.” Lose as in Lost Boys or Rumple saying his son was Lost to him.
5) Neal repeatedly wears the same green hoody. Peter wore green and Bae wore the green cloak. Note we see Henry in the BBQ picture with a green cloak and blue scarf similar to Bae’s.
I think this could possibly be a misdirection like how in The Doctor they were making it seem like Whale was the wizard of Oz.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI agree about the bean being one time use, too. By ‘going to at least one other world’ I know, TheGoldenKey and I have discussed her theory many times, and we both believe that Bae went to Neverland. That doesn’t mean he used the bean more than once. Everyone keeps saying, the BF sent Bae to a world without magic…well, we all know the BF lies. If Bae went to Neverland with the bean, he would be able to travel to our world, as Peter Pan could travel freely between our world and Neverland- he wouldn’t need the bean, or another bean…
About the ‘misleads’…yes, taken alone, they could’ve been misleads, as in The Doctor w/the Oz nods. However, those weren’t just nods & misleads. They were pointing out the fact that we will indeed be seeing Wizard of Oz. K&H have confirmed this in an interview in Entertainment Weekly.
I am sooo looking forward to seeing Oz! 🙂
I just read all your posts and heard to the podcast initial reactions on this.
Neil seems to be someone just like Emma: similar background, so could have easily be alone, no family, just like Bae would be.
What catched my attention was the answer we gave to August when August asks if he believes in magic. He did not give the look like Emma did to Henry ” magic does not exist” and he also has not denied it, he just said “i think you believe”. I also agree that whatever August showed him had a quick and familiar impression, so Neil must be from fairy tale land.
Also, the way August describes to him the situation (there is a curse, it has to be broken, emma is the key). That to me means that August also knew that Neil came from his land. – what kind of person would take ok to hear that???
Also, August knew what to show him and it could have been Rumples’ knife or ot, but definately something that came from fairy tale land. neil/bae would then be the source of augusts knowledge of the knife.As per timelines, i just think that maybe fairy tale time runs faster than our time.
Thank you guys for the gret podcast. Rgds from Brazil!
Yup, if Neal was originally from a magical world (whether he’s Bae or Peter Pan or the White Rabbit, whatever)…all August needed to show him was some remnant from that world. Then Neal would know, instantly, that August wasn’t just some crazy stalker who was raving about magic, and that he actually knew about other worlds.
Also, if Neal=Bae, if August showed him a picture if Rumple’s dagger, that doesn’t necessarily mean that Neal/Bae realized his father was in Storybrooke.(Now that I think about it, Neal might not even know about Storybrooke, ME – at least until he receives the postcard.)
I think August would have told Neal something about Emma’s parents being cursed, and that played a huge part in convincing him to let her go. I don’t have any proof of this, other than the fact August def. knew about Snow/Prince Charming, and that they were the “reason” for the curse in Regina’s eyes (to end their Happily Ever After.)
It would also be interesting if August learns who Neal is later. I agree that he could be acting under the Blue Fairy. After all, he said: “You have to do RIGHT by her. Now I’m going to tell you a story, and at the end of it you’re going to have to make a decision: will you do the RIGHT thing, or not?”
Blue: “There is good magic and dark magic, and I’m on the right side.”
Right and Wrong: that’s really her shtick, isn’t it? When the show has always showed us that there’s shades of gray.
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