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A prophecy is a prophecy…no matter how you twist it, OutlawQueen Fate and Emma’s Destiny are all in the same boat as prophecy, and again…can’t favor one over the other, The entire show is about destiny and fate, and OQ’s Prophecy was to unite them with the best person with whom they would be HAPPIEST with. It’s not a bad thing at all to be united with the person that will give you your Happily Ever After….technically, it would make real life super duper splendid if everyone knew who they were meant to be with. Because no matter what their past is, or how they may seem in the present…at least you’re guaranteed a happy future with them.
The reason Emma resents her “Savior” fate is because it comes along with so much pressure as well as trouble, OutlawQueen’s “SoulMate” Fate is one to rejoice over because they found each other despite everything they went through in their lives.
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And do so tell why Robin should have the “I don’t like you nor trust you”…he’s not that type of guy because he knows he should be the last person to judge Regina. Especially if what Sean said about Robin having just as dark of a past as Regina is true.
Robin is one of the most understanding, if not the most understanding character in the entire show. He instantly saw past the whole Evil Queen Moniker, and could see what took forever for everyone else to see. He’s a very perceptive man, who saw a woman who everyone claims to be the darkest in the land, save his son and give him a toy. He saw the hurting woman underneath the “Iron Lady” front she may put up, and could relate to her on many levels.
As for why Regina opened up so quickly to Robin Hood, yes it’s because they’re soul mates, but also…she planned on offing herself, so she really could care less if it was a stranger or not because she was going to put herself into an eternal sleep.
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Again…he had fallen in love with his soul mate, and it would be quite two faced to go speak all lovey dovey words to her one minute, and then talk crap behind her back the next. That’s not the type of man he is, and he did face conflict because he was caught between his true love and his already terminated vows.
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Regina’s redemption does not rely solely on Robin Hood, but it does rely on love, companionship, and knowing that there is at least someone on her side, all of which she did not have back in Season 2, you know back when everyone threw her dark past in her face and falsely accuse her after she had just saved them, which allowed Cora to easily gain her as an ally…Cora showed that she was the ONLY one on her side.
Since when did falling in love with the man you were fated to be with 30 years ago, take away your independence and inner strength? If anything, it increased it, because that love she had from her family, Robin, and Henry unlocked the light magic, she was more than likely supposed to learn all those years ago. It was because of Henry, her family, and Robin that Regina was able to save everyone yet again by defeating Zelena.
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Wait a minute, wait a minute…I think we’re having two interpretations of him saying “Today is not one of those days.”
He dropped his moral code and honor because it was not only making him suffer, but because it was also hurting the woman he loved…his soul mate. He was really rebelling against his code because he was not live truthfully, an example he himself said he didn’t want his son to learn, so he chose Regina.
The First Choice never worked for him, something he probably knew would happen. He TRIED to make it work, and the moment Marian became frozen, He STILL TRIED to make it work. It took him maybe a week before he really went back to Regina, he only confessed that he truly loved Regina, an explanation given why his TLK didn’t work with Marian. He and Regina even avoided each other the best they could, but you can’t fight the pull when it’s pulling you.
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Robin and Regina are soul mates…those who don’t like it can do nothing but accept it at this point. It is what it is now.
Is Soul Mate a higher level than True Love…maybe.
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It is not good to dwell on the past nor the negative…so it’s best to forgive and forget. Regina’s wrongdoing has been absolved because although she killed Marian once, she saved her THRICE! Marian still has her son and her life, two things that thanks to Regina Mills is made possible because some OutlawQueen Fans were rooting to just let her die because Regina had done all she could do. So…Regina’s paid her dues to Marian three times over.
VIII.
ROFL at the “Pass & Go” Comment, but seriously, the road to redemption has to end at some point, otherwise Storybrooke and it’s citizens are huge grudge holders who just can’t be pleased. But, I think the fact she’s saved her victims descendants, as well as those still living on multiple occasions….heck, if we’re going to be completely honest Regina and Rumple have saved Storybrooke more times than Emma Swan, the “Savior”. But that’s a story for another time.
The point is…Regina Mills has earned the right to not only call herself a Hero, and she will gain back her Soulmate, the man she was destined to be with over 40 years ago.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
*poofs in* I may be just rambling because i am wasting time until my class starts but….
I think the best thing Robin can do is tell Marian how he feels and leave her if he really truly is in love with Regina. It is NOT fair to Marian who didnt ask to be killed, for her husband to move on with her murderer, or to travel through time or any of it. But if Robin doesnt really love Marian anymore, what more can he do? Stay with her until she dies again? I hate to say it but that is the simplest answer. Maybe he can sit Roland down and discuss the matter, figure out some ways they can all co-exist just as we all say Regina and Emma can both parent Henry. But the vows made to Marian were until death did them part. Marian did die, Robin moved on and there isnt anything wrong with that. I don’t think its fair to either of them to have Robin be FORCED to stay with her even though that isnt where his heart is and while I am not married I wouldn’t want anyone glued to my side who’s heart was elsewhere. My biggest issue with the whole thing is that its simply not fair to Marian. Hell, its not fair to anyone involved. But that is the simplest answer. If Robin doesnt love her, he needs to not be there.
Anyway, i found a purrfect gif to describe whats going on n this thread:
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICI agree Watcher. That’s what I mean when I say Robin’s rarely made a decision, simply react to what happens. This is mostly what I find problematic about his character. Robin started to address the situation in the premiere but that obviously did not last because Regina ran off.
But yes, I totally agree he needs to sit Marian down and explain to her that he doesn’t love her anymore but Regina. I don’t think Marian would be upset. She talked with Regina in Granny’s diner and told her flat out, I don’t want to be Robin’s second choice but his heart leads to you, I’ll step out of the way.
I don’t understand why they can’t sit down and talk about this like adults? It’s not like Marian wouldn’t understand. I think the conversation with Regina in the winter finale in the diner says clearly that Marian gets it.
Ping-pong match indeed. Lol.
I think, besides the pixie dust, I think most of us would like a reasonable explanation from Adam and Eddy for why Robin and Regina are perfect for each other. I can list reasons why in my head why but that’s not canon. That’s fanon and fanon and canon are two different things.
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A prophecy is a prophecy…no matter how you twist it, OutlawQueen Fate and Emma’s Destiny are all in the same boat as prophecy, and again…can’t favor one over the other, The entire show is about destiny and fate, and OQ’s Prophecy was to unite them with the best person with whom they would be HAPPIEST with. It’s not a bad thing at all to be united with the person that will give you your Happily Ever After….technically, it would make real life super duper splendid if everyone knew who they were meant to be with. Because no matter what their past is, or how they may seem in the present…at least you’re guaranteed a happy future with them.
Emma only became the saviour because Rumple manipulated events to be that way. There is a reason WHY the prophesy about Emma came about. OQ’s prophesy only came about because the writers decided to put Robin and Regina together and skip developing that relationship properly. There is no in-show reason WHY OQ are destined to be together. It’s certainly no uniting the opposing clans sort of deal. Regina was happy with Daniel, Robin was happy with Marian and each couple would’ve been perfectly happy in their separate lives.
“Because no matter what their past is, or how they may seem in the present…at least you’re guaranteed a happy future with them.” This is kind of disconcerting. How would Robin have felt if, during the height of Regina’s evil queen reign when she was in full on peasant murdering mode, if he was told that his future happiness lay with this particular woman. Robin would’ve run a mile because that would not be the sort of person he’d want to be with, let alone love, especially as she had a dead or alive poster out on him and would’ve carried through on that threat.
The reason Emma resents her “Savior” fate is because it comes along with so much pressure as well as trouble, OutlawQueen’s “SoulMate” Fate is one to rejoice over because they found each other despite everything they went through in their lives.
Emma’s saviour role has kind of expired now, she served her purpose, she broke the first dark curse. Now she’s just pressured to help in situations because of the saviour tag sticking. Thing is though, as saviour, Emma has a choice. She can choose to be the saviour and contend with all these hardships thus “embracing her destiny” or she can choose to run away, leave it all behind and be happy and everyone else has to sort out their own problems. OQ have to be together or else they’ll be miserable for the rest of their lives. That “prophesy” doesn’t offer much choice. It’s not even a vague “tall, dark, handsome stranger” prophesy which leaves some room for choice of whether it’s tall, dark, handsome stranger number 1, 2, or 3. It’s very specific. This person or misery until the end of your days. Not exactly something to rejoice about.
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And do so tell why Robin should have the “I don’t like you nor trust you”…he’s not that type of guy because he knows he should be the last person to judge Regina. Especially if what Sean said about Robin having just as dark of a past as Regina is true.
Unless Robin was slaughtering villages full of peasants, fantasising the murder of a 10 year old right into her adulthood, and forcing people to be his sex slave, then there is no way Robin’s past is AS dark as Regina’s. Robin may have killed some people in the past for which he is sorry for (and which we’ve not yet seen) but Regina is in the big leagues for dark past, Robin is little league.
As for why Robin should have had the “I don’t like you nor trust you” moment is because until he actually gets to know Regina, he only knew her as the evil queen- the peasant village murdering, Snow White hunting evil queen. That is not someone you would happily let your child hang around unsupervised with.
Robin is one of the most understanding, if not the most understanding character in the entire show. He instantly saw past the whole Evil Queen Moniker, and could see what took forever for everyone else to see. He’s a very perceptive man, who saw a woman who everyone claims to be the darkest in the land, save his son and give him a toy. He saw the hurting woman underneath the “Iron Lady” front she may put up, and could relate to her on many levels.
Within the first few seconds of meeting someone, their reputation (if they have one) is the thing you are most aware of and that informs you of how you should act around that person. For example, if you met someone with the reputation and nickname of “Stabby Annie”, the last thing you’d trust them with is anything sharp and pointy and you’d be extremely wary of them. As you get to know them more and ascertained they’re not a homicidal maniac who will kill you as soon as your back is turned THEN you start to trust them more. It’s natural selection, recognising danger before it gets the chance to end you. Robin should’ve at least been a bit wary of Regina because of her reputation, not burn the witch wary, but wary enough not to immediately be making doey eyes at her.
As for why Regina opened up so quickly to Robin Hood, yes it’s because they’re soul mates, but also…she planned on offing herself, so she really could care less if it was a stranger or not because she was going to put herself into an eternal sleep.
Whilst this could be the case, at the same time it’s a bit “convenient” that the person she opens up to is her “soulmate”. Had OQ not had the whole soulmate thing hanging over their heads then it would probably feel less contrived.
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Again…he had fallen in love with his soul mate, and it would be quite two faced to go speak all lovey dovey words to her one minute, and then talk crap behind her back the next. That’s not the type of man he is, and he did face conflict because he was caught between his true love and his already terminated vows.
Being in a relationship with someone then finding out your new partner who you love murdered your previous spouse and being conflicted about that is not “two faced”, it’s called having a normal reaction to finding out your new partner who you love murdered your previous spouse. It would be even more important to get that issue worked out especially when you’re letting your four year old son socialise with that person. Robin didn’t work that issue out so much as gloss over it and ignore it.
Robin’s “conflict” between Marian and Regina didn’t play out as a conflict because the moment Marian was frozen, he went crawling back to Regina. Had Marian remained unharmed and Robin was still pining after Regina but felt bound to stay with Marian, then it would be a conflict. As it stands, it looks like Robin went crawling back to option B because his first choice stopped benefitting him. There are so many ways they could have played the Regina/Robin/Marian situation that would not make Robin look like such a douchebag.
1. Robin chooses Marian because of his vows, but she sees how much he loves and pines for Regina so “releases” him even though he would’ve stayed with her out of duty. (Basically what we got minus Marian being frozen and the OQ stuff in between).
2. Robin chooses Regina and Marian forbids him from ever seeing Roland because of Regina
then gets frozen. Regina and Robin then decide to try and unfreeze Marian because it is the right thing to do despite it being easier to leave Marian frozen and carry on their lives. Marian then accepts Regina and everyone is happy.3. Robin chooses Marian because of vows then gets frozen so Marian and Regina have to work together to save him during which Marian and Regina discuss their past, Marian forgives Regina and realises how much OQ love each other so gives her blessing. She and Robin then work out custody arrangements for Roland.
4.Robin chooses Regina then gets frozen so Marian and Regina have to work together to save him during which Marian and Regina discuss their past, Marian forgives Regina so realises how much OQ love each other so gives her blessing.She and Robin then work out custody arrangements for Roland.
5. Robin chooses Regina but explains that he needs to explain things to Marian so he goes with Marian temporarily but with the explicit intention of being with Regina because he chooses her. Marian then gets frozen, Robin and Regina then have lots of UST because he doesn’t want to “betray” Marian aka have sex with Regina until he has officially ended it with Marian.
Basically have Robin make a decision and stick to it.
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Regina’s redemption does not rely solely on Robin Hood, but it does rely on love, companionship, and knowing that there is at least someone on her side, all of which she did not have back in Season 2, you know back when everyone threw her dark past in her face and falsely accuse her after she had just saved them, which allowed Cora to easily gain her as an ally…Cora showed that she was the ONLY one on her side.
The “heroes” annoyed me in season 2 because of how quickly they turned on Regina (and Rumple whenever something went wrong. Did it never occur to them that there might be other people capable of causing mayhem other than Regina and Rumple? Their line of thinking seems to be if it’s not one then it’s the other and if it’s neither then they’re stumped). Henry was a horrible brat, Emma’s rant at him in 3B should’ve been in season 2. Henry’s treatment of Regina was nasty, constantly blowing hot and cold so Regina didn’t know if she was coming or going.
It’s the Kansas pep talk with Henry and Robin that I really dislike and the fact they made Emma useless just to turn Regina into Emma. Regina doesn’t need people to “believe” in her to get things done, Neverland proved that.
Since when did falling in love with the man you were fated to be with 30 years ago, take away your independence and inner strength? If anything, it increased it, because that love she had from her family, Robin, and Henry unlocked the light magic, she was more than likely supposed to learn all those years ago. It was because of Henry, her family, and Robin that Regina was able to save everyone yet again by defeating Zelena.
I dislike the Kansas peptalk a lot (see above). Regina became Emma and hasn’t used the light magic since, it was literally a one time thing to solve that plot point when Emma would’ve of been the natural character to do that. Neverland Regina was great, she got things done and didn’t need anyone to “believe” in her because she knew she could succeed. Kansas Regina was whiny, annoying, patronising and hypocritical.
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Wait a minute, wait a minute…I think we’re having two interpretations of him saying “Today is not one of those days.”
He dropped his moral code and honor because it was not only making him suffer, but because it was also hurting the woman he loved…his soul mate. He was really rebelling against his code because he was not live truthfully, an example he himself said he didn’t want his son to learn, so he chose Regina.
Here’s the thing though. The honourable and truthful thing would’ve been to tell Marian the truth (or at least indicate in-show that was what Robin was planning to do once Marian was settled in town) before she became an icicle. As it currently stands, it seemed like Robin didn’t want to be “honourable” because he wasn’t benefitting from it. Robin wasn’t “truthful” with Marian therefore he kind of shot himself in the foot.
The First Choice never worked for him, something he probably knew would happen. He TRIED to make it work, and the moment Marian became frozen, He STILL TRIED to make it work. It took him maybe a week before he really went back to Regina, he only confessed that he truly loved Regina, an explanation given why his TLK didn’t work with Marian. He and Regina even avoided each other the best they could, but you can’t fight the pull when it’s pulling you.
Regina tried to avoid Robin, he was the one that wouldn’t leave her alone. Again if he knew Marian wasn’t going to work out for whatever reason, why did he choose her anyway then only left her when she became frozen. As above, Robin could’ve indicated he chose Regina but wanted to explain things to Marian and get her settled in town before he broke up with her.
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Robin and Regina are soul mates…those who don’t like it can do nothing but accept it at this point. It is what it is now.
It is what it is. We might have to accept it, doesn’t mean we have to like it.
As I’ve said before, OQ has the potential to be good. The idea itself is a good one. The way it has been executed especially in 4A is where it has gone to pot. Let Regina and Robin start again with a blank slate so they can pretend 3B and 4A didn’t happen. The writers need to stop ramming the soulmate crap down the audience’s throats. Let OQ be together because they’re good together, have chemistry etc etc not because of the sole reason that they’re “soulmates”.
Is Soul Mate a higher level than True Love…maybe.
“True Love is (supposedly) the most powerful magic of all” Canon fact within the show’s first two seasons. No soulmates even mentioned, if it was it would’ve probably been attached to Snowing since they’re meant to have this “perfect” true love. As Regina says to Snow in the fanfic I’m writing: “Snow, you and Charming are so inseparable; it’s not just a heart you’re sharing but a brain as well.”
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It is not good to dwell on the past nor the negative…so it’s best to forgive and forget. Regina’s wrongdoing has been absolved because although she killed Marian once, she saved her THRICE! Marian still has her son and her life, two things that thanks to Regina Mills is made possible because some OutlawQueen Fans were rooting to just let her die because Regina had done all she could do. So…Regina’s paid her dues to Marian three times over.
Forgive but never forget is the wisest move. Marian would’ve had “her son and her life” if Regina hadn’t interfered in the first place in the past. Regina has course corrected that first mistake but she still did it in the first place. At this point, it shouldn’t be held against her but it shouldn’t be forgotten.
VIII.
ROFL at the “Pass & Go” Comment, but seriously, the road to redemption has to end at some point, otherwise Storybrooke and it’s citizens are huge grudge holders who just can’t be pleased. But, I think the fact she’s saved her victims descendants, as well as those still living on multiple occasions….heck, if we’re going to be completely honest Regina and Rumple have saved Storybrooke more times than Emma Swan, the “Savior”. But that’s a story for another time.
I do think that would be an interesting point to explore on the show: Where does the path of redemption end especially for the likes of Rumple and Regina?
The point is…Regina Mills has earned the right to not only call herself a Hero, and she will gain back her Soulmate, the man she was destined to be with over 40 years ago.
I see Regina as more of an anti-hero than a full blown hero. She’s willing to do what’s necessary that the “heroes” wouldn’t consider. For example, taking that lost boy’s heart in Neverland in order to send a message to Henry. Regina will be the villain so that the other heroes don’t have to be, which in itself is kind of heroic. Regina will ever be the stereotypical hero like Snow, Charming or Emma. She’ll do it her way.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixThere are so many ways they could have played the Regina/Robin/Marian situation that would not make Robin look like such a douche bag.
1. Robin chooses Marian because of his vows, but she sees how much he loves and pines for Regina so “releases” him even though he would’ve stayed with her out of duty. (Basically what we got minus Marian being frozen and the OQ stuff in between).
2. Robin chooses Regina and Marian forbids him from ever seeing Roland because of Regina
then gets frozen. Regina and Robin then decide to try and unfreeze Marian because it is the right thing to do despite it being easier to leave Marian frozen and carry on their lives. Marian then accepts Regina and everyone is happy.3. Robin chooses Marian because of vows then gets frozen so Marian and Regina have to work together to save him during which Marian and Regina discuss their past, Marian forgives Regina and realizes how much OQ love each other so gives her blessing. She and Robin then work out custody arrangements for Roland.
4.Robin chooses Regina then gets frozen so Marian and Regina have to work together to save him during which Marian and Regina discuss their past, Marian forgives Regina so realizes how much OQ love each other so gives her blessing.She and Robin then work out custody arrangements for Roland.
5. Robin chooses Regina but explains that he needs to explain things to Marian so he goes with Marian temporarily but with the explicit intention of being with Regina because he chooses her. Marian then gets frozen, Robin and Regina then have lots of UST because he doesn’t want to “betray” Marian aka have sex with Regina until he has officially ended it with Marian.
You really thought through those. I’m impressed.
Basically have Robin make a decision and stick to it.
This! And most everything you post.
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Emma only became the saviour because Rumple manipulated events to be that way. There is a reason WHY the prophesy about Emma came about. OQ’s prophesy only came about because the writers decided to put Robin and Regina together and skip developing that relationship properly. There is no in-show reason WHY OQ are destined to be together. It’s certainly no uniting the opposing clans sort of deal. Regina was happy with Daniel, Robin was happy with Marian and each couple would’ve been perfectly happy in their separate lives.
“Because no matter what their past is, or how they may seem in the present…at least you’re guaranteed a happy future with them.” This is kind of disconcerting. How would Robin have felt if, during the height of Regina’s evil queen reign when she was in full on peasant murdering mode, if he was told that his future happiness lay with this particular woman. Robin would’ve run a mile because that would not be the sort of person he’d want to be with, let alone love, especially as she had a dead or alive poster out on him and would’ve carried through on that threat.
And there may just be a reason as to why Robin Hood and Regina Mills are soul mates! Regina may have been happy with Daniel, who would have eventually still been killed by Cora, and Robin may have been happy with Marian, who may have still been killed by Death or Fate, but OutlawQueen Union is something that was supposed to have happened! And that is why Fate is trying to right the wrong done in the past, by giving them their what should now be a third chance.
And Robin would not have technically run for the hills, because he really is a man full of curiosity. I believe he’d be more interested in why she is his soul mate rather than getting on his knees, bargaining with God to spare him the ordeal. And when he met her, he’d be just as intrigued and perceptive of her as he was in 3×12.
OQ have to be together or else they’ll be miserable for the rest of their lives. That “prophesy” doesn’t offer much choice. It’s not even a vague “tall, dark, handsome stranger” prophesy which leaves some room for choice of whether it’s tall, dark, handsome stranger number 1, 2, or 3. It’s very specific. This person or misery until the end of your days. Not exactly something to rejoice about.
OutlawQueen Prophecy is about giving them the best choice in which they would be MOST happy! And seriously, who’d want to go on a Hunt to find their soul mate, it’s better to just know right off the bat who and what you’re dealing with. If the prophecy states that it’s your soul mate, there isn’t need for much of a choice, and should your soul mate die, then you move on to the next best option, finding you a True Love.
As Adam and Eddy have said, Soul Mate is that one and only person that’ll make you whole and complete, a True Love is someone afterward that can try to measure up to your Soul Mate. But I’m pretty sure Soul Mate Bond is never truly broken, but if one was to die, then you’re left to try to find a True Love.
As for why Robin should have had the “I don’t like you nor trust you” moment is because until he actually gets to know Regina, he only knew her as the evil queen- the peasant village murdering, Snow White hunting evil queen. That is not someone you would happily let your child hang around unsupervised with.
Once again, Robin Hood is a very perceptive man who could see past the whole Evil Queen Front….he could instantly see Regina, not the Evil Queen.
Being in a relationship with someone then finding out your new partner who you love murdered your previous spouse and being conflicted about that is not “two faced”, it’s called having a normal reaction to finding out your new partner who you love murdered your previous spouse. It would be even more important to get that issue worked out especially when you’re letting your four year old son socialise with that person. Robin didn’t work that issue out so much as gloss over it and ignore it.
Robin’s “conflict” between Marian and Regina didn’t play out as a conflict because the moment Marian was frozen, he went crawling back to Regina. Had Marian remained unharmed and Robin was still pining after Regina but felt bound to stay with Marian, then it would be a conflict. As it stands, it looks like Robin went crawling back to option B because his first choice stopped benefitting him. There are so many ways they could have played the Regina/Robin/Marian situation that would not make Robin look like such a douchebag.
Basically have Robin make a decision and stick to it.
Yeah…I could probably understand that being cautious thing…but only if it had been 40 years ago back in the Enchanted Forest or 3 Years Ago with Mayor Mills. The fact is…he’s seen this woman put her life on the line, and has heard stories from her family of how she has saved them. It is unfair to hold someone accountable for their past actions when you’ve heard from the very woman(Snow White) that she hunted, and who she went evil for, that the woman has changed. Therefore it wasn’t that much of an issue because EVERYONE knew Regina has changed.
It’s not his fault that Marian got frozen, obviously death or fate is trying it’s hardest to kill the woman, and that’s just one perspective of him “crawling” back to his soul mate. The man was clearly unhappy, and let’s not forget that even when Marian was Frozen, he tried for some days to keep his distance from Regina, but the struggle was apparently real for him. There was really no way for Robin to make a decision, and everyone would be happy….because some people would still find something wrong with his choice. It was really a small journey arc for Robin now that I think about it…he realized that he was going against his own code by staying with Marian because he wasn’t living truthfully, so there was a lesson to be learned throughout this entire ordeal.
Henry was a horrible brat, Henry’s treatment of Regina was nasty, constantly blowing hot and cold so Regina didn’t know if she was coming or going.
Alas, something we both can agree on! 🙂 To be honest…I really wanted for Regina to do what Cookie did to her son for disrespecting her.
I dislike the Kansas peptalk a lot (see above). Regina became Emma and hasn’t used the light magic since, it was literally a one time thing to solve that plot point when Emma would’ve of been the natural character to do that. Neverland Regina was great, she got things done and didn’t need anyone to “believe” in her because she knew she could succeed. Kansas Regina was whiny, annoying, patronising and hypocritical.
Technically, the reason Regina had such a hard time learning dark magic was probably because that was probably never her area of magic, which I and many other Evil Regals now think was Light Magic. Zelena was supposed to have dark magic, and Regina was supposed to have light…and the reason Regina couldn’t be as strong as she was in Neverland was because Regina had been convinced Zelena was stronger, and her pride had been heavily damaged with learning it was Zelena Rumple had been so proud of and not she. However, Robin, Henry, and her family believing in her gave her the strength and determination and the love that unlocked her long overdue light magic. Kansas Regina learned a lesson that even if you don’t believe in yourself, there is always someone who believes in you, and that is something Regina needed to learn. So I disagree that she was whiny, annoying, patronizing, and hypocritical because she learned a valuable lesson!
And just to clear up the air…she had a point with Rumple. Even though Zelena played a part in Neal’s death, they’ve taken sons and daughters as well…Rumple just finally knows what that feels like. And before you bring up had it been Henry, let me say that Regina knew Henry would NOT have wanted her to exact revenge on Zelena, she would have respected her son’s wishes. She may have never had nothing to do with her from that day forward, but she would not have killed her.
“True Love is (supposedly) the most powerful magic of all” Canon fact within the show’s first two seasons. No soulmates even mentioned, if it was it would’ve probably been attached to Snowing since they’re meant to have this “perfect” true love.
Well, move aside True Love because Soul Mate is coming through and maybe taking it’s top spot.
I see Regina as more of an anti-hero than a full blown hero. She’s willing to do what’s necessary that the “heroes” wouldn’t consider. For example, taking that lost boy’s heart in Neverland in order to send a message to Henry. Regina will be the villain so that the other heroes don’t have to be, which in itself is kind of heroic. Regina will ever be the stereotypical hero like Snow, Charming or Emma. She’ll do it her way.
I whole heartedly agree with this! Regina is better an Anti Hero than a full on Hero, because she gets what can’t be done, done!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
And there may just be a reason as to why Robin Hood and Regina Mills are soul mates! Regina may have been happy with Daniel, who would have eventually still been killed by Cora, and Robin may have been happy with Marian, who may have still been killed by Death or Fate, but OutlawQueen Union is something that was supposed to have happened! And that is why Fate is trying to right the wrong done in the past, by giving them their what should now be a third chance.
We need to see that reason WHY otherwise it’s just a plot device to get the two characters together. I don’t think “fate” is trying to right a “wrong” because Regina/Daniel and Robin/Marian both met naturally. It wasn’t like what Regina did to David and MM in season one where she deliberately stuck Kathryn in their way and David thought he was supposed to be with Kathryn. Marian coming back could’ve been that but Marian herself has chosen to step aside and let OQ happen. “Fate” then threw a curve ball by making it so Marian started to freeze up again and Robin had to leave with her. If all “fate” wanted was to get OQ together, why did it split them up again when they were going to be together?
And Robin would not have technically run for the hills, because he really is a man full of curiosity. I believe he’d be more interested in why she is his soul mate rather than getting on his knees, bargaining with God to spare him the ordeal. And when he met her, he’d be just as intrigued and perceptive of her as he was in 3×12.
This is all assuming Regina didn’t cut his head off or anything upon meeting him. She had a bounty on his head after all.
OutlawQueen Prophecy is about giving them the best choice in which they would be MOST happy! And seriously, who’d want to go on a Hunt to find their soul mate, it’s better to just know right off the bat who and what you’re dealing with. If the prophecy states that it’s your soul mate, there isn’t need for much of a choice, and should your soul mate die, then you move on to the next best option, finding you a True Love.
Daniel was Regina’s true love hence why she was so pissed at Snow for decades for causing his death. If “true love” is supposedly a lesser form of love than soulmate, then why did Regina get so pissed at Snow? After all, it was only her true love not her soulmate? I think it’s the other way round- true love beats soulmate.
As Adam and Eddy have said, Soul Mate is that one and only person that’ll make you whole and complete, a True Love is someone afterward that can try to measure up to your Soul Mate. But I’m pretty sure Soul Mate Bond is never truly broken, but if one was to die, then you’re left to try to find a True Love.
A&E say a lot of things. They wound up RumBellers during season 2 by referring to Cora as Rumple’s soulmate. Then they backtracked and said Belle is Rumple’s true love and that Cora and Rumple just had a lot in common. When they were asked the soulmate vs true love question at comic-con or paleyfest, they gave an on the spot answer which was very unsatisfactory for the fandom.
Once again, Robin Hood is a very perceptive man who could see past the whole Evil Queen Front….he could instantly see Regina, not the Evil Queen.
Him and Belle should start a support group because of their respective partners.
Yeah…I could probably understand that being cautious thing…but only if it had been 40 years ago back in the Enchanted Forest or 3 Years Ago with Mayor Mills. The fact is…he’s seen this woman put her life on the line, and has heard stories from her family of how she has saved them. It is unfair to hold someone accountable for their past actions when you’ve heard from the very woman(Snow White) that she hunted, and who she went evil for, that the woman has changed. Therefore it wasn’t that much of an issue because EVERYONE knew Regina has changed.
I still think there should’ve at least been a little distrust before everything was A-Okay. Snow vouching for Regina would’ve been nice to see although her being stood alive next to Regina was probably a big hint that Regina may have changed, but still would’ve been nice to see onscreen.
It’s not his fault that Marian got frozen, obviously death or fate is trying it’s hardest to kill the woman, and that’s just one perspective of him “crawling” back to his soul mate. The man was clearly unhappy, and let’s not forget that even when Marian was Frozen, he tried for some days to keep his distance from Regina, but the struggle was apparently real for him. There was really no way for Robin to make a decision, and everyone would be happy….because some people would still find something wrong with his choice. It was really a small journey arc for Robin now that I think about it…he realized that he was going against his own code by staying with Marian because he wasn’t living truthfully, so there was a lesson to be learned throughout this entire ordeal.
Again they didn’t show it on-screen. Marian wasn’t even fully frozen yet when Robin started sniffing around Regina again. She could probably still hear them.
It all goes back to Robin never made a decision then stuck to it. I liked Robin in 3A. In 4A he just seems a bit weak.
Alas, something we both can agree on!
To be honest…I really wanted for Regina to do what Cookie did to her son for disrespecting her.Is it bad that I wanted Henry to get bit by the agrabah vipers? or that Regina succeeded in the empty hearted curse? Honestly, if Henry was a bit more consistent in his feeling for her, she wouldn’t have felt like she had to do that.
Technically, the reason Regina had such a hard time learning dark magic was probably because that was probably never her area of magic, which I and many other Evil Regals now think was Light Magic. Zelena was supposed to have dark magic, and Regina was supposed to have light…and the reason Regina couldn’t be as strong as she was in Neverland was because Regina had been convinced Zelena was stronger, and her pride had been heavily damaged with learning it was Zelena Rumple had been so proud of and not she. However, Robin, Henry, and her family believing in her gave her the strength and determination and the love that unlocked her long overdue light magic. Kansas Regina learned a lesson that even if you don’t believe in yourself, there is always someone who believes in you, and that is something Regina needed to learn. So I disagree that she was whiny, annoying, patronizing, and hypocritical because she learned a valuable lesson!
I just dislike the “believe in yourself and you can achieve anything” trope. Either you can do something or you can’t and you find another way to overcome that obstacle. Not you can’t do something but a little pep talk suddenly enables you to.
And just to clear up the air…she had a point with Rumple. Even though Zelena played a part in Neal’s death, they’ve taken sons and daughters as well…Rumple just finally knows what that feels like. And before you bring up had it been Henry, let me say that Regina knew Henry would NOT have wanted her to exact revenge on Zelena, she would have respected her son’s wishes. She may have never had nothing to do with her from that day forward, but she would not have killed her.
Regina threatened to kill Zelena if she stepped out of line. Regina may have known that Henry wouldn’t have wanted her to exact revenge, but she still would’ve. I support Regina not wanting Rumple to give into his hate, but the way she made her point was very patronising, she could’ve worded it a lot differently. “Heroes don’t kill” is not a Regina line, it’s a Snow or Emma line.
Well, move aside True Love because Soul Mate is coming through and maybe taking it’s top spot.
I think True love tops Soulmate.
I whole heartedly agree with this! Regina is better an Anti Hero than a full on Hero, because she gets what can’t be done, done!
Definitely.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixA prophecy is a prophecy…no matter how you twist it, OutlawQueen Fate and Emma’s Destiny are all in the same boat as prophecy, and again…can’t favor one over the other, The entire show is about destiny and fate, and OQ’s Prophecy was to unite them with the best person with whom they would be HAPPIEST with. It’s not a bad thing at all to be united with the person that will give you your Happily Ever After….technically, it would make real life super duper splendid if everyone knew who they were meant to be with. Because no matter what their past is, or how they may seem in the present…at least you’re guaranteed a happy future with them.
…and herein lies the problem. The writers cannot come up with a decent reason as to why R and R should be together so they come up with plot-devicey ”fate” and ”pixiedust” and ”soulmates” (a term dropped in 4a, and replaced with ”true love”-probably something to do with that question at that convention).
Soul-mates need to be exactly that. They need to have ton in common. The stuff that isn’t in common needs to complement each other like two pieces of a jigsaw puzzle, or temper the other’s negative traits. What do R and R have in common so far?
-They both have sons.
-They both lost the first (true?) loves
-They are both tenacious and will do what they think is right.
-When they love they love deeply.
-Robin’s patience and confidence in Regina is soothing to her.
And that is about it. This net could cover a lot of people. There needs to be more specific things in common. Also, I think this relationship benefits Regina more than it does Robin, unless he is very satisfied with an attractive piece of tail and nothing much else.
(Robin doesn’t have a dark past, not really. Or at least it pales in comparison to Regina’s, so I don’t really understand how the two are comparable).
The show really needs to tell us why fate and pixie dust has labelled them as soul-mates.
Henry was a horrible brat, Henry’s treatment of Regina was nasty, constantly blowing hot and cold so Regina didn’t know if she was coming or going. Alas, something we both can agree on! 🙂 To be honest…I really wanted for Regina to do what Cookie did to her son for disrespecting her.
No, no he wasn’t. He was putting up healthy boundaries between himself and his extremely borderline personality disorder/BPD mother. His expectations of her were consistent and fair. You both will have to point to specific examples within context, because I don’t know what you mean, I am afraid.
I said it on a different chat room many months ago and I will say it again here (if I haven’t already…). The whole Marian- was-almost-killed-by-Regina-if-it-wasn’t-for-Emma storyline was doomed to fail if the writers kept Marian as a good person. They should have made Marian (who is one of my favorite legendary characters, btw) into a horrible person, an adulter or in league with some nasty villain or even say, Morgana in disguise at the time of her incarceration. In this way, Robin would naturally choose Regina because Regina would have shown growth and improvement whereas Marian wouldn’t have done, and she would have been deceiving Robin whereas Regina has repeatedly reminded Robin that she is/was a monster.
On the same board, I also wrote similar scenarios to these to make Robin Hood look less like a douche bag:
There are so many ways they could have played the Regina/Robin/Marian situation that would not make Robin look like such a douchebag.
1. Robin chooses Marian because of his vows, but she sees how much he loves and pines for Regina so “releases” him even though he would’ve stayed with her out of duty. (Basically what we got minus Marian being frozen and the OQ stuff in between).
2. Robin chooses Regina and Marian forbids him from ever seeing Roland because of Regina then gets frozen. Regina and Robin then decide to try and unfreeze Marian because it is the right thing to do despite it being easier to leave Marian frozen and carry on their lives. Marian then accepts Regina and everyone is happy.
3. Robin chooses Marian because of vows then gets frozen so Marian and Regina have to work together to save him during which Marian and Regina discuss their past, Marian forgives Regina and realises how much OQ love each other so gives her blessing. She and Robin then work out custody arrangements for Roland.
4.Robin chooses Regina then gets frozen so Marian and Regina have to work together to save him during which Marian and Regina discuss their past, Marian forgives Regina so realises how much OQ love each other so gives her blessing.She and Robin then work out custody arrangements for Roland.
5. Robin chooses Regina but explains that he needs to explain things to Marian so he goes with Marian temporarily but with the explicit intention of being with Regina because he chooses her. Marian then gets frozen, Robin and Regina then have lots of UST because he doesn’t want to “betray” Marian aka have sex with Regina until he has officially ended it with Marian.
..but unfortunately I was stomped on.
I don’t want her to end up with a douchebag after all the hard work she has put in to change.For the record, I would like to say that I am a Regina fan. This character and LP are the only reasons why I have stuck with this show. I would like to see Regina redeemed and happy, whatever that looks like. I am not a fan of bad writing, however.
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No, no he wasn’t. He was putting up healthy boundaries between himself and his extremely borderline personality disorder/BPD mother. His expectations of her were consistent and fair. You both will have to point to specific examples within context, because I don’t know what you mean, I am afraid.
I’m going to include Henry’s treatment of not just Regina but Emma too.
Henry wants Regina saved from the mob because “she’s my mom” despite season 1 being all “she’s the evil queen she must be defeated” then at the end he completely blows Regina off.
Regina takes Henry under duress but realise that that is not the healthy way to parent Henry. She lets him go with Charming because she wants to be better for Henry and redeem herself, something which Henry encourages. Henry then undermines this in the very next episode by calling Regina, asking to meet up for lunch, which is something Regina is very happy about and rushes to get there, all so he can steal her keys and break into her vault. Regina then phones Charming and tells him where Henry has gone because she doesn’t think he wants to see her. Henry led Regina on and gave her false hope of building bridges with her son.
Rumple and Regina then seal off the portal to prevent Cora coming through but Henry convinces her to unseal it. Despite the effort nearly killing her, Henry completely then ignores Regina because Emma is back in town. They all head to Gold’s shop to save Charming. Henry is hugging Regina and talking about how she saved them but then completely drops her to head off to dinner with the group without so much as inviting her.
Henry believes Regina has killed Archie, this upsets Regina greatly thus making her more vulnerable to Cora’s manipulations. Upon Archie coming back, Henry proclaims that he “knew” Regina didn’t murder Archie. If he “knew”, why the hell did he not express this view?
In New York, Henry finds out Emma lied about his father. There are valid reasons why she did this. Henry suddenly started treating Emma like he did Regina where his old parent drops out of favour because a new parent has suddenly come on the scene. Emma did not like this and apologises because she just wants Henry to talk to her again.
In a later episode, Henry demands to be told what is going on even though it is absolutely none of his business. Emma gives in, not wanting to suffer the Regina treatment again. Henry then storms off because he didn’t like what he heard.
Regina misses Henry so much that she just wants him to love her so comes up with the empty heart curse. Henry then has the most stupidest idea ever to blow up magic (it was so stupid, it would’ve served him right if he blew himself up). Regina stops him and he convinces her that she doesn’t need to use the empty heart curse because he already loves her. He then ditches her again once she destroys the curse and nobody tells him how stupid he was for messing with dynamite.
All magic comes with a price!
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