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You all make great points, and I do agree that Snow White and David, along with Baby Neal(still can’t get over that name), and Henry are safe from Regina’s wrath. Emma, however will be a bit on Regina’s “S List” at least for the first half of season 4. Fireball hurling…I no longer see happening because of how far Gina’s come, but hurt and depression with a lot of liquor….I see that.
As for Rumple killing Zelena….well I really didn’t wanna comment on this, but I have to. The cycle is never going to end if everyone continues to kill…Regina tried to stop it when she said “Enough. This ends now.” but Rumple couldn’t let that last ounce of vengeance go, and killed Zelena, thus setting off an unfortunate set of events. I understand Neal’s death(still only gives Zelena 30% of the blame as the other 30% goes to Lumiere and Neal, who didn’t care about the price, and just got to give Belle 10% for just standing there and letting him do it.) but the moment he promised Belle he wouldn’t go after Zelena…I just still think that should vengeance should have gone null and void. It all depends on perspective I guess….oh well, #WhatsCanonIsWhat’sCanon
Then again, Rumbelle will be safe in the end, because Rebecca Mader is appareantly making her way back to ONce in Season 4 according to Adam and Eddy. And there’s no flashback to tell about Zelena, because she had yet to make a big impact. So Zelena’s got to be alive…#nobodynodeath. Rumbelle will be safe
OutlawQueen….I just hope Marian dies…give destiny what it wanted to balance things out. Emma and Hook tampered with fate, and that will have major consequences on their end, unless they fix what they started.
[adrotate group="5"]"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
I can’t blame Belle at all for what Neal did. She warned him but he was determined. Neal is taller and stronger than Belle and he charged over to the vault entrance. even if Belle had stood in front of Neal to try and stop him, he could’ve easily brushed her aside.
If Marian does die, it won’t be a simple death. It’ll be complicated which is why I think Regina will accidentally run her over with her car. Marian would run out into the road and Regina wouldn’t have time to brake. It would be a genuine accident however it may look like Regina deliberately did it to get rid of Marian. Therefore Marian’s death still happened by Regina’s hand like in the original timeline but under different circumstances.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixShouldn’t there be spoiler bars in the third paragraph of WickedRegal’s post? I hadn’t heard that bit of information.
Although PoM’s idea of Regina innocently killing Marian by accident is clever and intriguing (and just the sort of thing I can see this show doing), I really hope Marian doesn’t die. I guess it’s partly because I really dislike the whole theme of Fate or Destiny. Even though I know they have alluded to the idea of Destiny several times, such as Neal’s speech to Emma in the bar scene in “Manhattan”, I much prefer the dramatic possibilities of “The future is what you make it.” As someone once said to me, “I don’t know if free will really exists, but assuming it does makes it possible for me to get out of bed in the morning.”
Can I just say I love the idea of Outlaw Queen but some of you wanting Marian to die makes me really uneasy.
Think about: poor little hobbit Roland will have lost his mother twice!
Ideally, what I would want to happen is that Robin and Marian come to an understanding that he doesn’t love her the way he used to but they can still be parents to Roland and Marian will get to know the kinder Regina and no one dies.
OutlawQueen had potential to be a good ship, but the fact that they got together way too quickly put me off of them.
In regards to the Marian/Robin/Regina triangle that’s looming, Robin is in danger of coming off as a douchebag no matter whom he chooses. Season 4 really needs to give Robin the screentime to show his dilemma and feelings over the situation he is in to avoid that.
If he chooses Regina over Marian, he would’ve left his wife for what would’ve been her would-be murderer. If he chooses Marian over Regina, he looks like he was just using Regina as a bed warmer and now he’s dropped her because his wife is back. Either way, Robin is in a lose/lose situation.
I don’t want Marian to die and would prefer Robin and Marian to be together, but the only way OQ could viably happen is if Marian died. There’s no way Marian would let Roland near Regina so Robin’s choice is really between his wife and son or Regina. And in a situation like that, Regina would be on the losing end.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixPOM QUOTE:
OutlawQueen had potential to be a good ship, but the fact that they got together way too quickly put me off of them.
WR RESPONSE:
Seriously?????????????????????????? Rumbelle had their FIRST Kiss in their FIRST Episode!!! That’s faster than the Snowing Courting Stage!
OG QUOTE:
Can I just say I love the idea of Outlaw Queen but some of you wanting Marian to die makes me really uneasy.
Think about: poor little hobbit Roland will have lost his mother twice!
WR RESPONSE:
It was Marian’s destiny to die, which means Emma screwed up Fate! And screwing up Fate will have major consequences on both her and Marian’s behalf. Whether or not it was a bad thing to happen, it was still her fate to die, and in order to right the universe….Marian will have to die.
As for Emma….I really really really hope the price she’s going to pay for tampering with fate will be small….but when you (beep) with fate, it (beeps) you right back.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
POM QUOTE:
OutlawQueen had potential to be a good ship, but the fact that they got together way too quickly put me off of them.
WR RESPONSE:
Seriously?????????????????????????? Rumbelle had their FIRST Kiss in their FIRST Episode!!! That’s faster than the Snowing Courting Stage!It was clearly stated in Skin Deep that it had been several months since Belle had arrived at the dark castle. Therefore timeline wise there was several months before RumBelle’s first kiss.
When we were introduced to OQ in Storybrooke, because they couldn’t remember the past year, it would’ve been as if OQ were meeting for the first time. Yet all of a sudden, Regina is opening up to Robin and kissing Robin and sleeping with Robin and giving her heart to Robin for safe keeping instead of actually hiding it herself. All the build up about how Regina is going to struggle to open her heart to happiness, she seemed to open up quite well without struggling too much. In fact she seemed better off without her heart. Maybe OQ were drawn to each other in Storybrooke because they had gotten together in FTL like Mary-Margaret and David Nolan? Nope, Regina was quite rude to him and there was no hints of a blossoming romance between the two in FTL.
I still question why Robin was so okay with Regina in FTL. I was expecting him to be a little bit “It’s the Evil Queen” but then be okay with her afterwards, not “you had my face on a wanted poster and murdered hundreds of people but it’s okay, I’m going to ignore that fact because you’re very hot”. Not to mention him helping Regina up off the floor and leaving Snow to get up off the floor by herself. (Considering Ginny was heavily showing even though Snow wasn’t meant to be pregnant, it was really an odd visual to see Sean help Lana up but leave Ginny down there). That’s not really the character’s fault but as I said odd visual.
Maybe I was expecting more out of OQ, but it felt too rushed. We never really got a reason why Robin was attracted to Regina despite her reputation and we never really got a reason for why Regina fell so quickly for Robin. It just kind of happened and was hand-waved as because it is.
I wanted to see Regina struggle. The kiss should’ve been the big finale moment for OQ- Regina has finally opened her heart to love and whoops Emma has brought Marian back. Because of the rate OQ has progressed, Robin is going to look like a total douchebag if he chooses Marian over Regina. However, because of the way Marian’s original fate was strongly implied (killed on Regina’s orders), Robin is going to look like a total douchebag if he chooses Regina over Marian. Had the kiss been the finale moment for OQ, you wouldn’t have had the implied emotional intimacy between Robin and Regina so that when Marian turned up, Robin going back to her wouldn’t make him seem like a douchebag, and you would feel even more sorry for Regina because you would have seen her struggle to open herself to love and when she finally did it was snatched away from her.
I think my main issue with OQ was that I had expectations of it being a slow-burning romance and my expectations weren’t met.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixSomething that occurred to me in regards to Regina and giving people second chances.
Her attitude to Felix who they dragged out of Neverland with them was “We can’t just let Felix walk away freely” despite Felix’s only “crime” being loyal to Pan. Pan’s plan was to use Henry’s heart to save himself. Felix wasn’t really a threat with Pan gone.
Yet she offered Zelena a second chance despite Zelena:
1.Enslaving Rumple for nearly a year
2.Having a hand in Neal’s death
3.Turning numerous people into flying monkeys
4.Kidnapping Snowing’s newborn to use as part of her time travel spell
5.Wanting to go back in time in order to erase Regina from existence.
6. Cursing Hook so Emma would lose her magic
7. Nearly drowning Hook so Emma would have to give him mouth to mouth and lose her magicRegina is all for giving second chances, so long as Henry isn’t directly affected by the person’s misdeeds, screw anyone else’s feelings. But the moment Henry is at risk Regina isn’t offering any second chances.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixThere’s a difference between Second Chances and Having Mercy….
Having Mercy deals with granting someone their life, but never liking them or acknowledging them ever again simply out of your distaste of their being.
A Second Chance is granted when one, usually a person you have a connection with, is given a chance to redeem themselves and become better people.
No one had a connection to Felix, therefore they only showed mercy. And Regina never wanted to kill Felix once they were back in Storybrooke, just lock him away for the rest of his days….Thus showing mercy!
Zelena was Regina’s only sister, and only living family left! Regina could relate to Zelena, and actually felt sympathy for her sister despite all of her past actions, because her life was ruined too by both Cora and Rumple(who played a SOMEWHAT hand in her wickedness). Thus a second chance is given to her, so that Regina could try to help her sister become a better person, and for them to have a sisterly relationship.
Rumple didn’t have to give Zelena a second chance, but he should have showed her MERCY as Neal would have wanted him to!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
There’s a difference between Second Chances and Having Mercy….
Having Mercy deals with granting someone their life, but never liking them or acknowledging them ever again simply out of your distaste of their being.
A Second Chance is granted when one, usually a person you have a connection with, is given a chance to redeem themselves and become better people.
No one had a connection to Felix, therefore they only showed mercy. And Regina never wanted to kill Felix once they were back in Storybrooke, just lock him away for the rest of his days….Thus showing mercy!
Zelena was Regina’s only sister, and only living family left! Regina could relate to Zelena, and actually felt sympathy for her sister despite all of her past actions, because her life was ruined too by both Cora and Rumple(who played a SOMEWHAT hand in her wickedness). Thus a second chance is given to her, so that Regina could try to help her sister become a better person, and for them to have a sisterly relationship.
Rumple didn’t have to give Zelena a second chance, but he should have showed her MERCY as Neal would have wanted him to!
How can locking someone up for the rest of their days when they didn’t want to leave their home but you dragged them back to Storybrooke with you anyway be called being merciful? Why didn’t the Nevengers leave Felix in Neverland? They never had to see him again, he would’ve been alive, and without Pan, Felix would not have been a theat. Plus without Felix being there, Pan wouldn’t have been able to cast his curse.
Zelena was far more of a threat than Felix was. She showed no remorse for her actions and, considering she could easily get her powers back just by putting her pendant on, she would be a risk to let free in Storybrooke without 24/7 supervision.
Having mercy and second chances go hand in hand, one can not exist without the other. Locking someone up until the end of their days is not merciful. Often in films, the protagonist won’t kill the antagonist because they want the antagonist to suffer for their crimes. Killing the antagonist would be seen as merciful as it allows them to escape justice and the antagonist doesn’t want to face the consequences of their misdeeds . Likewise, if someone is seriously hurt or ill or suffering, and looks set to go through a slow, agonising, lingering death, it is considered merciful to put them out of their misery and give them a quick painless death.
In Once, George wanted Charming to show mercy and kill him instead of locking him up, but Charming locked him up anyway (In the mines, where George probably starved to death whilst Charming went to Neverland, if the failsafe hadn’t klled him first).
Regina was SHOWING MERCY (since mercy can work both ways, it all depends on what the person receiving the mercy considers merciful) to Zelena by giving her a SECOND CHANCE instead of going “You’ve screwed up, that’s it for you”. However, was it really Regina’s place to decide what happened to Zelena? Regina would’ve been biased because Zelena was her sister plus Regina wasn’t the only one Zelena screwed with. At the very least, it should’ve been a joint decision between Regina and Rumple over what happened to Zelena.
In the EF, Snow got to decide Regina’s fate because it had been her that Regina had been targeting. In Storybrooke, Zelena’s fate should’ve been decided by Regina and Rumple together. Obviously they weren’t going to agree (Rumple wanted to kill her, Regina didn’t) but they should’ve sat down, hashed it out, and come to a compromise over what was to be done therefore giving each of them a sense of validation (and quite possibly would’ve avoided Rumple killing Zelena).
Both Regina and Rumple took the choice away from the other (Regina by using the dagger against Rumple and winding him up further with her hypocritical “heroes don’t kill speech”, then giving the dagger to Belle instead of Rumple therefore denying him his choice) (Rumple by killing Zelena therefore denying Regina her choice to give Zelena a second chance). Neither person was right in what they did, neither person had the sole right to decide Zelena’s fate.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix
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