Regina and Jefferson (Spoilers)

[kalliopekisees]

I am curious about Regina’s relationship with Jefferson. All though she continuously betrays him, I sense a bit of softness on her part towards him. When she abandons him in Wonderland and gives the speech about family never leaving family, it almost appears as if she is teary eyed and torn up inside (just a little bit). She also had the same look when Jefferson was pleading for his return to his daughter. In SB she did imprison Jefferson in a Mansion of sorts and gave him a somewhat comfortable tormented existence. (He could be in a mental ward like Belle). She also made good on her promise to provide for Jefferson’s daughter, as she seems to be with a somewhat decent family and looks to be comfortable materially.

Is there a soft spot in the Queen’s heart for Jefferson? What is the history of their relationship? Why the animosity and what I perceive as undertones of some sort of attraction?

Any thoughts?

I am also curious as to Regina’s relationship with the Queen of Hearts. I know some are stating it is her mother, but I’m not convinced as of yet. I have noticed that Hearts tend to follow the family. Once again they popped up in Apple Red as Blood, as there is one on Daniel’s grave.

[possum snoodle]

@ KalliopeKisses…

I’m with you on what seems to be some sort of subtle dance going on between the two.
It’s funny you posted this because I just posted a similar speculation yesterday about Regina and Jefferson’s body language towards one another. I’m glad someone else is picking this up! It does seem to be an ongoing behavior as if to suggest they were both, at one time, hot messes in each other’s company. From an acting standpoint, the actors are definitely playing to this effect.
So, KK, I don’t believe you and I are reading too much into this behavior and I’d bet others have picked up on it as well. The behavior is so well played by the actors, it begs us to notice. Whether, it’s intended to imply some shared complicated history between the two or it’s just Regina being all Cat and Mouse with another captive male in her plan, we won’t really know until more backstory is revealed – but – it sure is intriguinging, isn’t it?
Were they: Lovers? Separated at birth/Brother-Sister rivalry? Were they Time Bandits or some cosmic version of Bonnie & Clyde using the hat as a Realm-jumping get-away-car? Only Time, it seems, will tell.

I think it could be a great backstory if the writers pursue it. Thanks, for getting this into a thread of its own!

[charming]

It could a brother / sister relationship. Only a sister can mess with a guy like that. Any other would not stand for it. Jefferson does not act like a Whale, Sidney or Graham. He seems to have a disdain for her and yet puts up with her enough to go along with whatever BS plan she currently has and only a brother would put up that kind treatment.

[kalliopekisees]

Really enioyed reading your post Possum.

@charming…. Hmmm I have a brother, but although we fight, it doesn’t have the same undertones I’m sensing in this one. I’m not discounting the idea, just not convinced. On a side note, you would be surprised what people have and do endure in toxic tangeled relationships. Lol! I know I’v been there caught up in complication of it at one point in my life.

[scaredcrow65]

After her first scene with him in Hat Trick when he initially turned down the job in his cabin, I definetly speculated that they’d a some of sort of relationship years earlier, and I still believe that to be the case. I don’t think you guys are reading to much into it!

[charming]

Nonetheless she is forcing Jefferson to do jobs for her by keeping his daughter away from him. This makes him indebted to her so he can get what he wants. I guess Regina can also recognize a desperate soul too.

[killianhookfan]

I agree there is something very odd going on there. Regina keeps using the word “family” in her conversations with Jefferson with makes me think two things – either she and Jefferson are related, probably brother and sister; or Jefferson is Bae and she is using the word “family” as a jab to rub in the fact that Rumple basically abandoned him by breaking his deal with Bae and letting him go into the vortex alone.

Either way, I get the impression that Jefferson was somehow left with ZERO family until he married and had his daughter and because of that his family was ultra important to him. Then because of his dabbling with magic – he lost his wife, which makes his daughter even more important to him. This just sounds so much like Rumple that it really makes me think Jefferson is Bae and that Regina knows it. Regina’s jabs would make even more sense then – since she would most likely know Rumple’s back story, she would know that Bae was opposed to magic. But if he is Jefferson at some point he got involved with magic and, as all magic comes with a price, ended up losing his wife because of it – I can see Regina really wanting to rub that one in.

[Slurpeez]

@rumplegoldfan: Are you saying that Jefferson is grown-up Baelfire, Rumpel’s son? While an interesting idea, if Jefferson were really Baelfire he would’ve likely tried to contact Rumpel as soon as he was able to leave his house when Emma arrived in SB. Also, I think Baelfire was sent to a land without magic. When we first met Jefferson, he was living in a hovel in FTL and later went to Wonderland. I think Balefire and Jefferson are two different characters.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[kalliopekisees]

@rumplegold fan
Hmmm.. Jefferson as Bae.. They both are realm jumpers. (Whether Bae jumped to another realm after the one without magic or not , he did jump once, thus making him a realm jumper). Interesting concept. You could play around with the idea for a while.

They did cut the scenes of August and Jefferson together. I often wondered why. What did they not want us to see or piece together yet. There were plenty other things that could have been removed to make up the extra time, but they chose to remove Jefferson and August’s conversation. What were they talking about? Did Jefferson tell August about the knife? If so, how did he know about the knife?

Family is important to Jefferson and Regina keeps throwing it in his face. “Family doesn’t abandon family.” Perhaps she was getting in a dig about Rumple abandoning Bae?

More things for me to think about….

[Slurpeez]

KalliopeKisses wrote: Family is important to Jefferson and Regina keeps throwing it in his face. “Family doesn’t abandon family.” Perhaps she was getting in a dig about Rumple abandoning Bae?

While I agree that it’s an interesting idea, I don’t think that Regina knew about Rumpelstiltksin’s history with his son. Back in episode 19, Mr. Gold was surprised that August knew about the knife or his son, because I believe Mr. Gold said no one besides Baelfire knew about it. I don’t think Regina knows about the knife, because Mr. Gold buried it to keep anyone else from finding out about it, especially Regina.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

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