Regina lost her love (and was publicly humiliated?)

[king arthur]

Back in “Heart of Darkness”, when Regina is listening to Emma question MM about Kathryn’s disappearance, there is the moment when Regina puts her hand on MM’s hand giving faux empathy. Regina states she has also lost a love (which is explained now) but she also states she was publicly humiliated. At least so far, I don’t see that she’s been humiliated.

[dorothy]

I feel the same way! If she had announced publicly that she was going to leave with Daniel instead of Leopold, and “mysteriously” ended up coming back saying that she changed her mind, that would’ve been more of a humiliation.

Maybe she’s referring to episode 2 when she tried to enact the curse the first time and it didn’t work?

[Phee]

I guess she would have considered the wedding ceremony a public humiliation, having to stand in front of a crowd and say those vows to a man she barely even knew.

[mia]

I think the humiliation is a reference to Fruit of the Poisonous Tree episode. It must be humiliating that your stepdauhter is always the one being complimented … And there are probably other similar things that happened before, which we just haven’t seen yet.

[killianhookfan]

I’m wondering if something happened at Regina’s wedding. I don’t get the feeling that Regina felt humiliated in the Fruit of the Poisonous Tree episode as much as she felt ignored and invisible. By that point I feel like something had already happened that had isolated her from the King and Snow White. I wonder if something happened at her wedding that publicly humiliated her. Maybe Snow White said something at the reception (again something that a child wouldn’t understand as being inappropriate) that made it obvious that Regina wasn’t in love with the King but was in love with Daniel.

The reason I wonder this is because of the spectacle the EQ made at SW’s wedding. She didn’t interrupt SW’s wedding to enact the curse, she interrupted her wedding to ruin the day and tell everyone about the curse. I think that Kitsis and Horowitz somewhere mentioned that there was a specific reason that the EQ chose to interrupt SW’s wedding? So now I am wondering if it was because the “public humiliation” happened at her own wedding and to get revenge she wanted to return the favor.

[hjbau]

There has to be more to the story. I agree that so far we haven’t seen any public humiliation.

[weedith]

I think that marrying a king, even if everyone knows you loved someone else, could hardly be seen as a public humiliation. I’m betting something happened after Leopold’s death and before Snow’s wedding. Somewhere during that period, Snow came in from the cold, as it were, and once again became the lady at court; and Regina became a pariah. Perhaps Snow was finally able to expose Regina for her evilness, resulting in Regina being driven from power. Looking forward to seeing the rest of this story!

[Slurpeez]

I think Regina could have been humiliated in her own mind when the king clearly favored his daughter and first wife over his second wife. Leopold called SW the “fairest in all the land” in episode 10, as her mother had been to him once. Not only did Regina feel cast aside, but I think she was already living a twisted existence full of envy, hatred, and desire for revenge after Daniel’s murder. Blinded by this inner darkness, Regina probably felt being publicly cast aside was equivalent to being publicly humiliated. She was like an old toy who’d been neglected. Of course, she could have been a lousy wife and step-mother, which is why King Leopold never loved her as much as his first wife. Regina felt humiliated that she never gained the king’s favor.

Also, Regina’s hatred was fueled by her belief that SW had taken true love away from her. In episode 8, Snow White admitted to the Huntsman that she’d ruined the queen’s life. In the letter she wrote to Regina, she acknowledged that Regina would never have love in her life because of what she’d done (i.e. tell Regina’s secret to Cora). In the pilot, Snow White speculated that Regina poisoned an apple because she thought SW was prettier than her. I think that was symptomatic of the idea that King Leopold never loved his second wife as much as he loved and admired SW, who resembled his fist wife.

Of course, I think there is more to this story. I really like your theory, weedith, that after Prince Charming awoke SW from the glass coffin, SW returned to the court to expose Regina for murdering the king, thereby dethroning her. That would be real public humiliation for a good reason.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[crabtrem]

Maybe Regina’s Mother, who we know is going to the King’s Castle too will do something to publicly humiliate Regina. It seem’s very likely indeed that would be who would do it. When Regina’s sanity snapped, it felt to me like she placed all the blame on Snow. Just before she said she should have let her die on the horse. Regina still needs to discover how to get her Mother’s powers, and how to kill her. Poor Snow is the blame and cause for everything wrong; unfortunately not uncommon in abusive households. I don’t know if that’s the way the story will go, but way too many times in today’s world the children do take the blame.

[killianhookfan]

@crabtrem wrote:

Maybe Regina’s Mother, who we know is going to the King’s Castle too will do something to publicly humiliate Regina. It seem’s very likely indeed that would be who would do it. When Regina’s sanity snapped, it felt to me like she placed all the blame on Snow. Just before she said she should have let her die on the horse. Regina still needs to discover how to get her Mother’s powers, and how to kill her. Poor Snow is the blame and cause for everything wrong; unfortunately not uncommon in abusive households. I don’t know if that’s the way the story will go, but way too many times in today’s world the children do take the blame.

I think this is a great theory and would be consistent with how Regina so far has blamed SW for what has really been her mother’s actions. And with the way her mother behaves, I could see her doing somethat that would seriously humiliate Regina. She seems like one of those mothers that would continue to want to “mother” her daughter even after she is a married women – especially if she is going to the palace with her. And if Cora was going to live at the palace with Regina after she married the King, would that mean the entire family was going? As in Regina’s father would be going to live at the castle as well?? Because if it does, SOMETHING happened that caused her father to be kicked out at some point. It’s possible that Cora did something to humiliate Regina and they were both kicked out of the castle because of it?? Maybe then Regina killled her mother after they left the castle.

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