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Cooler heads shall prevail
Next question: if Regina were to stumble again (a la Rumple killing Zelena) what would you think of that?
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"A note: I’m asking the above because Grimmsister in the Rumple thread brought up something: is he too far gone? so if Regina stumbles, is she too far gone? Can Regina ever been reformed and redeemed to the point where anything she does will be glossed over or forgiven
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Oh Regina! The ever complicated and estranged figure who must go through so much trouble (brought on herself alot by her own choices) to find any happiness. She is pretty much the only reason I still like watching the show and I credit that mostly to the wonderfull way Parrilla portrays her.
Just some quick comments on some of the stuff that has been talked about on the thread the last couple days. In my opinion Regina has her fate in her hands and she makes her own choices, if she could only realize that fully (like she did doo in the second to last ep when she defeated Zelena and became the “moment-hero” she wouldnt have to keep that view of herself as the victim of her Destiny to remain the Evil Queen and she could be wh she chose to be. That is what I hope she will have realized by now, so that she doesnt revert to much back into her old ways of making bad choices for herself.
I think a hero is not something you become and then remain that for the rest of your life. Being a Hero is just as much a label to attach to a person as the label of Evil Queen. Being a hero must come act by act. You can do a hero act one day and then not the next.. there is always the step of taking the choice to be it from one act to the next. So Regina can be a hero if she want to.
Soul mate or True loves. Well Im not really sure how they define the difference on the show or if they even give much thought to there being a difference or not ? But I would say my own definitions of it is that-
soul mates are someone who are similar in there core beings and have lived the same kind of experiences and therefor relate to eachother on a different level, because they can fully understand eachother. If that is the official Once definition Im not really sure how Robin can be Reginas soulmate since he was never “evil” but seems to have lived a pretty honourable life atleast by what we know so far. But I can see them having similar “core-beings” or souls 😉 in terms of what Regina was before she became the Evil Queen, so in that sense we can see it as Robin helping Regina find her way back to being that part of herself Again and letting the memories and experiences of being the Evil Queen slide into the background.
True loves. I say is BS, but the show Says different I know. People can be made for eachother on a Destiny type of level. Like Charming and Snow are. If that is the definition. Then I can see Regina and Robin being that since that is just a matter of the writing team writing them as that and nothing more.
To RG’s question. Who should be ruler of EF if they ever go back? Well to that I hope they would have learned enough from this World to know the best thing would be to have a democratic election 🙂 and let the people themselves deside who should be their “Queen” /Ruler.
If Regina were to stumble again (a la Rumple killing Zelena) what would you think of that?
I’d be disappointed. I want to see her redeemed but this flip-flopping “I’m good now, but next week I’m bad” has to stop. That was Regina in season two and it was it infuriating. I don’t want to see her become corrupted again and her heart darkens. I think she’s made great strides as a character, selflessly trying to be good without asking for anything from anyone.
I understand the ‘wildcard theory’ too but it seems that Adam and Eddie have enough villains coming on per 11 episodes that they don’t need Regina to be the villain every season.
I think ultimately, I want the writers to decide what they want to do with Regina’s character: do they want her redeemed, or evil, or a little of both?
Can we move onto a different topic please?
Cooler heads shall prevail Next question: if Regina were to stumble again (a la Rumple killing Zelena) what would you think of that?
Ummm….yeah, I think in a sense Rumple has become Dorothy. 😛
Like he killed the Wicked Witch of the West, and now her sister The Evil Queen is more than likely going to be after him. Like…he manipulated Snow into killing Cora, and tried to get Regina to give up her vengeance, but then he turned around and did exactly what he tried to persuade her not to do….hypocritical much…
And if it comes out that Elsa has it out for Rumple too…I do forsee a Queenly alliance in Season 4. Fire and Ice….Rumple would be in for a world of trouble. Though I do have this one crack theory, but I’m going to hold it off till the end of July, when a few episodes were recorded. And I can only hope I’m wrong with this crack theory…because if i’m right…I worry for SB.
SO yeah…I do worry for Rumple’s safety…and Belle’s.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
A note: I’m asking the above because Grimmsister in the Rumple thread brought up something: is he too far gone? so if Regina stumbles, is she too far gone? Can Regina ever been reformed and redeemed to the point where anything she does will be glossed over or forgiven
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Regina was given the nickname “Evil Queen” by her own subjects. She wasn’t loved by her people, she was feared by them. Snow is the rightful heir to the kingdom plus Regina was kicked off her throne so now Snow and Charming are the rightful rulers of the kingdom. Regina only remains mayor because she is unopposed.
Even though she was feared without a doubt, the people who weren’t helping Snow White, believe me, they were happy and respected Regina.
Where’s your proof? The village that Regina had killed just because Snow was seen on the outskirts had villagers in it that were probably not aware that Snow had been around and might not have seen her at all and therefore wouldn’t know where she was. They were killed regardless. Snow wasn’t exactly going up to people going “hi, I’m Snow White” so it’s possible the village weren’t aware the cloaked person was Snow White.
Regina’s soldiers were happy and respected Regina and she seemed to personally pick them. She knew all their names. However the villagers were all afraid of Regina. She had magic so it wasn’t like they were going to rebel against Regina.
I agree with @Price
Regina definitely was not a good queen. She abused her power in her quest to kill Snow White, ordering the slaughter of innocents in the name of vengeance. That is not a good queen at all. As far as regular duties like taxes and what not, we have no idea either how she handled these things because we never got a scene of her dealing with these issues. A majority of her reign was focused on killing Snow White as soon as Leopold died.
In Regina’s defense…until shown otherwise, that village massacre was the only massacre Regina did on her village aside from the private executions. And the fact that Regina’s kingdom was wealthy, and wasn’t filled with poverty showed that Regina did in fact run it the way it should be run.
By that logic, the safe haven massacre was the only massacre Cora did aside from killing Daniel. Regina has a whole load of killings to her name, including sending children into the blind witch’s house where they got eaten.
George was a good king, he cared about his subjects and was doing what he good to help his kingdom survive. For example, attempting to marry James off to Abigail so Midas’ wealth could support the kingdom. However, his kingdom was poor because Regina CUT OFF TRADE with it. No matter how good or bad a ruler you are, if your kingdom doesn’t have trade coming in then you are going to find yourself in financial difficulties.
Just because Regina had trade coming into her kingdom doesn’t make her a great ruler.
However, the moment you help Snow White, or personally cross the Queen…that’s when your life is more than likely in danger. Regina didn’t just sit on her throne saying, go kill this village then go kill that one. Set fire to the woods, behead everyone, Regina wasn’t that type of Queen. It took you either personally offending her, which means stepping out of line or treason for helping Snow White….that’s where the price is paid. The people in Regina’s dungeons, as far as we saw, only went there for either reason. And once again, Regina was named the Evil Queen by her own subjects out of fear, but the way she successfully/business wise ran her kingdom was something respected.
Belle was locked up by Regina just because Rumple loved her and Regina planned to use Belle against Rumple. Belle had neither personally offended Regina or helped Snow. Regina wanted to be loved by her people but the way she tried to “make” them love her only caused them to fear her more.
Even Lana herself, I believe stated, that the only real way to piss off the Evil Queen that would get you killed, is by helping Snow White. Those who saw Snow White, and helped her was punished on grounds of treason to the throne. However those who saw Snow White, and alerted the Queen’s Guards, I’m quite sure they received a small reward from the throne.
It all boiled down to who they helped…the Queen or the Bandit. Those who chose Regina lived, those who chose Snow died. But Regina was a successful Queen from what I gather, just don’t help Snow White, or it maybe off with your head.
And besides…who would want to go back to that lifestyle???? Like Henry would be miserable in the EF without any electricity, indoor plumbing, tv, and his Nintendo DS….like just no. And too many bad memories and times are in the EF, the peasants have a fairer life in SB. Let’s just stay in SB.
Regina tried bribing the villagers to betray Snow White or give info on her whereabouts. However Snow had earned the villagers respect, they loved her, to the point where they wouldn’t betray her or give her up to Regina.
It all comes back to the question: When you have power, is it better to be loved or feared.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixA note: I’m asking the above because Grimmsister in the Rumple thread brought up something: is he too far gone? so if Regina stumbles, is she too far gone? Can Regina ever been reformed and redeemed to the point where anything she does will be glossed over or forgiven
Depends on what she does doesnt it? What I mean by Rumple perhaps being to far gone is that he would never be able to forgive himself and believe he could be someone without the Dark One personality hanging over him and that belief making him take bad choices for himself.
We have seen Regina being able to let go of “The evil Queen” and do something good for others. That was her taking responsibility for her own act. She was “Redeemed” In her own eyes, but that didnt happen until she saw that other people like Henry, Snow and Robin didnt see her as the Evil Queen but they saw her as Regina, so at that moment she was also redeemed in their eyes. She still is. Now it is just a matter of whether she will be able to hold on to that during this mess with Robin and Marian. I Hope that for her.
Regina’s soldiers were happy and respected Regina and she seemed to personally pick them. She knew all their names. However the villagers were all afraid of Regina. She had magic so it wasn’t like they were going to rebel against Regina.
She probably also took all their hearts. And she killed one guy who failed to capture Snow (“Ariel”)
And if it comes out that Elsa has it out for Rumple too…I do forsee a Queenly alliance in Season 4. Fire and Ice….Rumple would be in for a world of trouble. Though I do have this one crack theory, but I’m going to hold it off till the end of July, when a few episodes were recorded. And I can only hope I’m wrong with this crack theory…because if i’m right…I worry for SB.
So Regina can’t just “let it go?” Does that show growth and development? Why is HER vengeance against Rumple more sound or logical or RIGHT than Rumple’s vengeance against Zelena?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"A note: I’m asking the above because Grimmsister in the Rumple thread brought up something: is he too far gone? so if Regina stumbles, is she too far gone? Can Regina ever been reformed and redeemed to the point where anything she does will be glossed over or forgiven
I don’t think Rumple is too far gone. He made a mistake. He acted emotionally rather than rationally and now he is trying to cover his mistake from Belle. Rumple is so meticulous in his planning when he sets his mind to something yet he forgot about the cameras in the sheriff station that caught him killing Zelena. That doesn’t sound like the Rumple who carefully orchestrates people into positions that serve him best.
Regina has and will slip up. She reverted in season 2, did that mean she was too far gone for redemption? No. It’s the same for Rumple. He’s hit a slight bump in his road to redemption but he’s not irredeemable.
I don’t think Elsa will have it out for Rumple or anyone. That puts her into villain territory and Elsa is supposedly going to be “misunderstood” rather than a villain.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felix
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