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If Regina were to stumble again (a la Rumple killing Zelena) what would you think of that?
I’d be disappointed. I want to see her redeemed but this flip-flopping “I’m good now, but next week I’m bad” has to stop. That was Regina in season two and it was it infuriating. I don’t want to see her become corrupted again and her heart darkens. I think she’s made great strides as a character, selflessly trying to be good without asking for anything from anyone. I understand the ‘wildcard theory’ too but it seems that Adam and Eddie have enough villains coming on per 11 episodes that they don’t need Regina to be the villain every season. I think ultimately, I want the writers to decide what they want to do with Regina’s character: do they want her redeemed, or evil, or a little of both?
But see the hard thing about all of this is…most of Regina’s back and forth stems from mistakes on the Charming’s end.
Think about it…
Regina was evil in S1, the most bad(beep) villainess ever! But it all stemmed from that one single moment where Snow White tells her secret. Had Snow kept the secret, and sure Cora was a master manipulator, but still…anyone above the age of 8 should be able to keep a secret. Heck, I’m still keeping my friend’s secret from when we were in the fourth grade, so Snow White knew what a secret was…it’s just she could never keep quiet about anything. And that is proven when she blurted out the Neal being alive secret in NL….#SecretSnow will never stay a secret.
In EF, being married to man thrice your age, while raising the child who ratted you out…where was the option? Before that, running away from a marriage, and risk being poor, homeless, and lonely for the rest of your days, but a “kind” Wizard offers to teach you magic, but all you have to do is stay. Where was the option? The only “Good” option Regina had was the Tavern and Robin, but Rumple scared the heck out of her with the “anger is all you’ll have” and “fate is sealed to be dark”.
Then we move onto S2, Regina was doing good for Henry, on her best behavior! Heck she had even started to bond a little with her son-in-law! Yet right when Regina saves their lives, Snow and Emma come back…Regina not only is neglected from the party by her own son, and family. Thank God Emma had the decency to invite Regina, and at least try to make her feel comfortable, even though she was being ignored. Then we’re onto the Cricket Game where the Charmings take the memories of a dog rather than Regina’s memories…and not only tried to trap her, but accuse her of killing Archie. That was definitely a set back, and it was too late to apologize as Cora found Regina first, and Regina craving love the way she does, gives in and decides to help her mother. Then mother dies, and Regina learns the Charmings are planning to take her son away, and abandon her in SB.
Finally we get to S3, where Regina is hero at last. Fighting like hell in NL to save her son, and fighting like hell to stop her sister. All is good, and all is well till the moment Rumple kills Zelena, opens time portal, Emma brings back Marian, and poof! Happily ever after snatched in one night.
Now I’m not taking away Regina’s hand in her choices, but given the circumstances she was dealt with…what else was she supposed to do? S1, let Emma break the curse, take her son, and let SB kill her? S2, suffer under SB scrutiny and deal with the Charmings not trusting her, and being the loneliest/hated girl in town. Where were her options? She did what she did best, fight for her happy ending. I’m sorry…I just didn’t see what options Regina really had, because it appeared that if she hadn’t fought for her happy ending, she’d be miserable for the rest of her days.
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Regina’s soldiers were happy and respected Regina and she seemed to personally pick them. She knew all their names. However the villagers were all afraid of Regina. She had magic so it wasn’t like they were going to rebel against Regina.
She probably also took all their hearts. And she killed one guy who failed to capture Snow (“Ariel”)
Very true. It was probably better to be at Regina’s side than in her path, like with any tyrant.
And if it comes out that Elsa has it out for Rumple too…I do forsee a Queenly alliance in Season 4. Fire and Ice….Rumple would be in for a world of trouble. Though I do have this one crack theory, but I’m going to hold it off till the end of July, when a few episodes were recorded. And I can only hope I’m wrong with this crack theory…because if i’m right…I worry for SB.
So Regina can’t just “let it go?” Does that show growth and development? Why is HER vengeance against Rumple more sound or logical or RIGHT than Rumple’s vengeance against Zelena?
I agree. If Regina feels she has the right to seek vengeance against Rumple for Zelena’s death, then Rumple had every right to seek vengeance against Zelena for Neal’s death. Therefore Regina would be showing double standards and hypocrisy if she tried to get revenge on Rumple.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixBut see the hard thing about all of this is…most of Regina’s back and forth stems from mistakes on the Charming’s end.
Does Regina have absolutely NO agency in your mind? She’s simply a weak little player who gets shoved too and fro and can’t be held responsible for anything.
She is a grown woman. The Charming’s made mistakes? Okay. So the best course of action is to make MORE mistakes?
You can not simultaneoulsy say that Regina is a good strong character who is better at “X” while at the same time dismiss her own agency and actions because it makes her look better.
S1, let Emma break the curse, take her son, and let SB kill her?
And here’s the problem with this
1) Emma did break the curse but did NOT “take her son” In fact, it was Emma who invited Regina to dinner. It was only after they though that Regina killed Archie that she took Henry away–and if you thought someone was a killer you would too. And more : no one tried to kill her! In fact, Snow and Charming and Emma (the people who have every reason to kill her) DIDNT. They stopped the mob. So yes, Regina should have let Emma break the curse.
S2, suffer under SB scrutiny and deal with the Charmings not trusting her, and being the loneliest/hated girl in town.
YES. She did horrible things to people. HORRIBLE. She doesn’t get to be loved instantly after she did all these things. She has to suffer. There is no mea culpa if you don’t realize your own faults and pay your pound of flesh.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"But see the hard thing about all of this is…most of Regina’s back and forth stems from mistakes on the Charming’s end.
Once again it sounds like you’re trying to take away Regina’s accountability for her own actions by blaming other people. That’s like saying it’s all Snow’s fault or even Graham’s fault that Regina took his heart and made him her sex slave because Snow made Graham feel sorry for her and he decided to spare her life.
Also, was it Snow’s fault that Regina sent countless children into the blind witch’s house just because Snow had to be an inconvenience and not let Regina kill her?
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixRumpel seems to have the excuse that there are two of him right now, a Jekyll and a Hyde version, one for each dagger. The show can explore redemption by purging him of his evil or making a Star Trek point about how his good side needs the strength of his evil side.
For the sake of variety, I hope they explore different issues with Regina. Like, what if this latest shattered hope completely breaks her will? She’s always had a strong personality, whether for good or for evil. What would she be like with that taken away? How would the townsfolk react if they couldn’t cheer for her or hate her but had to look after her?
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But see the hard thing about all of this is…most of Regina’s back and forth stems from mistakes on the Charming’s end.
Think about it…
Regina was evil in S1, the most bad(beep) villainess ever! But it all stemmed from that one single moment where Snow White tells her secret. Had Snow kept the secret, and sure Cora was a master manipulator, but still…anyone above the age of 8 should be able to keep a secret. Heck, I’m still keeping my friend’s secret from when we were in the fourth grade, so Snow White knew what a secret was…it’s just she could never keep quiet about anything. And that is proven when she blurted out the Neal being alive secret in NL….#SecretSnow will never stay a secret.
You CAN NOT be serious in blaming an 8 year old kid for telling a secret. She was a kid… they doo that. And she did it thinking she was doing something good. Snow telling Cora about Daniel was one step on the road to why Regina became evil, but it was non the less NOT the fault of kid Snowwhite.
In EF, being married to man thrice your age, while raising the child who ratted you out…where was the option? Before that, running away from a marriage, and risk being poor, homeless, and lonely for the rest of your days, but a “kind” Wizard offers to teach you magic, but all you have to do is stay. Where was the option? The only “Good” option Regina had was the Tavern and Robin, but Rumple scared the heck out of her with the “anger is all you’ll have” and “fate is sealed to be dark”.
That her fate was Sealed for her to be the evil Queen was what she believed and that she believed it, was the problem I agree on that.
Then we move onto S2, Regina was doing good for Henry, on her best behavior! Heck she had even started to bond a little with her son-in-law! Yet right when Regina saves their lives, Snow and Emma come back…Regina not only is neglected from the party by her own son, and family. Thank God Emma had the decency to invite Regina, and at least try to make her feel comfortable, even though she was being ignored. Then we’re onto the Cricket Game where the Charmings take the memories of a dog rather than Regina’s memories…and not only tried to trap her, but accuse her of killing Archie. That was definitely a set back, and it was too late to apologize as Cora found Regina first, and Regina craving love the way she does, gives in and decides to help her mother. Then mother dies, and Regina learns the Charmings are planning to take her son away, and abandon her in SB.
Finally we get to S3, where Regina is hero at last. Fighting like hell in NL to save her son, and fighting like hell to stop her sister. All is good, and all is well till the moment Rumple kills Zelena, opens time portal, Emma brings back Marian, and poof! Happily ever after snatched in one night.
Now I’m not taking away Regina’s hand in her choices,
maybe not but it sounds to me like you are taking away her personal responsibility and that IMO is not doing her a favor that is keeping her in a victim role. Just like she kept herself in a victim role for along time which was why she was unable to let go of the powerful persona that being the Evil Queen was to her.
but given the circumstances she was dealt with…what else was she supposed to do?
There are always more choices, its not just one or the other
S1, let Emma break the curse, take her son, and let SB kill her? S2, suffer under SB scrutiny and deal with the Charmings not trusting her, and being the loneliest/hated girl in town. Where were her options? She did what she did best, fight for her happy ending. I’m sorry…I just didn’t see what options Regina really had, because it appeared that if she hadn’t fought for her happy ending, she’d be miserable for the rest of her days.
Again, I think I said this somewhere else, but I really dont think taking Reginas responsibility for her own life and choices away from her is any good. That makes it much worse really. We can still have compassion and understanding for her, even if it was her own responsibility that she became the Evil Queen.
Alright…overload with response on page ten, so I’ll do the highlights.
1. First and Foremost! The Kids and Gingerbread Lady
Much like Rumple, Regina can offer a deal that many couldn’t refuse. The kids as you all say, have a choice. and thereby granting them the right to say no. Now Regina never killed children, not even in the massacre did I see a child, and further proof is when Regina let Hansel and Gretel go, and then later their father. Even after insulting her, she still let them go because she has a soft spot for kids. So the Kids Death isn’t Regina’s entire fault because they still had a right to say no.
2. The Ruler
As far as we’ve seen…the only people Regina has executed were those helping Snow White. And c’mon…even Regina said “You mean to tell me she’s lived here and not one of you saw her” and as tiny as that village was, someone saw Bandit Snow, but their devotion to Snow White led them to their deaths.
And as long as a kingdom is flourishing, the King or Queen is doing a good job. Long as you don’t associate with Snow, or outright disrespect her, you were safe from the Queen’s wrath. And there’s no proof of Regina killing a plain innocent in the streets just for walking. The people may have lived in fear, but they still had somewhat good lives….long as you don’t cross the Queen.
3. Belle
I think Regina locking away Belle was personal payback for Rumple, and I still don’t understand why the man who kicked Belle out got so upset. Like dude, you kicked her out, I just took her in. When he kicked Belle out, she was at the mercy of the Queen.
4. Hearts
No proof whatsoever that shows Regina took the hearts of her guards…it may just be possible that they’re loyal like that.
5. Rumple Vengence
This is exactly what Regina meant when she stopped Rumple from killing Zelena! The only person in the group who sees the cycle of vengeance, and she tried to stop it. And Regina did have a point when she said “who haven’t we killed to get what we want.” But Rumple, being Rumple…he has to have his vengeance and kills Zelena anyway. Regina has somewhat of a right for her vengeance because not only did she try to stop the cycle, but Rumple made it seem as if Zelena would rather die than have anything to do with them. That’s a bad blow to brush off, so in some aspect, Regina has a right to her vengeance. Not to mention this whole Marian thing wouldn’t have happened if Rumple had just “let it go.”
6. Elsa
It’s not being a villain when someone locked you up for years in an urn. It’s called payback.
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Hmm for my part WR I guess I just have to say I disagree with you alot on the Regina character. But we love her the same 🙂
Long Live the Queen ♥
Yet none of you still answered my question…where were her options?
In S1…Regina knew the threat to her curse, and the consequences should it ever be broken. You don’t just sit back and wait for your own downfall, especially when you discover that the man who built the curse has double crossed you, and leaving you to the wolves to take the fall for both you and his part.
In S2….the curse broke, and the Charmings did save Regina, but only cause of Henry. Had it not been for him, they’d have left her to die. And once again…Regina was redeeming herself! She actually didn’t have to help David get his family back, and keep Henry to herself, but she decided not to. And it was Rumpelstilskin who said, to heck with it, he didn’t care if Snow and Emma died…he just wanted to make sure Cora wouldn’t come back. So Regina did fix her momentary wrong by absorbing ALL of the thunder in that well, which seemed pretty painful, and rescued her former nemesis. Then you don’t even get invited to the celebratory of the people you saved! But when you get there, you’re ignored… Then you are accused of killing your own therapist by people who took the memories of a DOG before they checked your own. Later on, Rumple convinces Snow to kill Cora, and the Charmings plan to, well technically Kidnap Henry(because Regina still has legal custody of Henry) from Regina and take him to a land that he knows absolutely nothing about.
I’m not taking away her responsibilities, I’m just stating the facts that everything is not black and white about the situation. That everyone had a hand in Regina’s backslide, and even the formation of the Evil Queen. And heck I might as well say, and I apologize if it upsets some of you, but for being a unborn baby picked to be created into a monster by the darkest man in the realm….yeah…Regina was a victim.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
1. First and Foremost! The Kids and Gingerbread Lady Much like Rumple, Regina can offer a deal that many couldn’t refuse. The kids as you all say, have a choice. and thereby granting them the right to say no. Now Regina never killed children, not even in the massacre did I see a child, and further proof is when Regina let Hansel and Gretel go, and then later their father. Even after insulting her, she still let them go because she has a soft spot for kids. So the Kids Death isn’t Regina’s entire fault because they still had a right to say no.
She never told them what awaited them. She never said, there’s a woman who will eat you if you die. She made it sound like it was just another house wiht another witch. If I tell a two kids to go into the house of a known murderer and they DIE, I am liable. Children have different minds than we do. And again, you’re erasing all responsibility.
As far as we’ve seen…the only people Regina has executed were those helping Snow White. And c’mon…even Regina said “You mean to tell me she’s lived here and not one of you saw her” and as tiny as that village was, someone saw Bandit Snow, but their devotion to Snow White led them to their deaths.
So devotion is wrong. Unless it is to Regina.
And as long as a kingdom is flourishing, the King or Queen is doing a good job. Long as you don’t associate with Snow, or outright disrespect her, you were safe from the Queen’s wrath. And there’s no proof of Regina killing a plain innocent in the streets just for walking. The people may have lived in fear, but they still had somewhat good lives….long as you don’t cross the Queen.
That is so inaccurate. A kingdom flourishing (whatever that means cause it’s not like everyone was living in shiny houses and had lots to eat. ….I’m looking at JEFFERSON and his daughter here). does not mean that people are happy. It also does not reflect on the King and Queen. AND they were happy BEFORE Regina. Leo had made them extremely happy. Regina is basically Richard the 1st of England who could go off and war because his father Henry 2 had made his nation so strong. Regina has little to do with any success in the kingdom because it was there BEFORE her.
I think Regina locking away Belle was personal payback for Rumple, and I still don’t understand why the man who kicked Belle out got so upset. Like dude, you kicked her out, I just took her in. When he kicked Belle out, she was at the mercy of the Queen.
This is…nuts. lol I love you but this is rather bizarre logic. So Regina simply had NO CHOICE but to pick up Belle. She was compelled by forces outside of herself. She simply had no choice but to go after her?
No proof whatsoever that shows Regina took the hearts of her guards…it may just be possible that they’re loyal like that.
An entire vault full of hearts says otherwise. Maybe some were her guards. Maybe some were not. But the fact is, she took more than she could even remember who they belonged to. And they are still out there. She’s never given them back.
Regina has somewhat of a right for her vengeance because not only did she try to stop the cycle, but Rumple made it seem as if Zelena would rather die than have anything to do with them. That’s a bad blow to brush off, so in some aspect, Regina has a right to her vengeance. Not to mention this whole Marian thing wouldn’t have happened if Rumple had just “let it go.”
Justifiable vengeance. Isnt’t his how this whole mess started? Regina just thought she had such a RIGHT to hurt and kill?
It’s not being a villain when someone locked you up for years in an urn. It’s called payback.
Let’s leave Elsa out of this. We don’t know her story yet so it’s unfair of you to hurl accusations.
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