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April 26, 2015 at 5:18 pm #302727
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ParticipantDisney sort of reusing frames from earlier movies isn’t new. Bagheera is basically an early design of Simba.
What is the point you are actually trying to make? That Regina is a nod to Disney’s Snow White or that Regina is supposed to be Disney’s Snow White within the show?
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Keeper of FelixApril 26, 2015 at 5:28 pm #302728nealfanforever
ParticipantWe haven’t seen Mary Margaret make any pastries or pies…but we have seen Regina. Snow White was known for her pies.
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April 26, 2015 at 5:33 pm #302731nealfanforever
ParticipantDisney sort of reusing frames from earlier movies isn’t new. Bagheera is basically an early design of Simba. What is the point you are actually trying to make? That Regina is a nod to Disney’s Snow White or that Regina is supposed to be Disney’s Snow White within the show?
The point that I am making is that taken individually each of these items is not necessarily significant..but placed together and in light of the current storyline (getting the author to change Regina’s story) and in light of stories such as Ursela’s where we see that she is not only Ursela but also the Little Mermaid…it is not out of the park to suggest that Regina could be, in fact, the original Snow White. We know the author changed stories. Perhaps Regina already had a happy ending and her story was rewritten…writing a story that ended up turning Snow White into the Evil Queen. The author tried to help Cruella but ended up enhancing her evil.
Regina as the Evil Queen and Snow White would be a mash-up consistent with the writers…ie Red Riding Hood/Wolf.
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April 26, 2015 at 5:48 pm #302733PriceofMagic
ParticipantPossible and plausible and if they didn’t have another character called Snow White on the show I’d say likely.
The only flaw is, if Regina is both Snow White and the Evil Queen (Like Red is both Red Riding Hood and the Wolf) then where does that leave the actual Snow White played by Ginny Goodwin?
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Keeper of FelixApril 26, 2015 at 6:06 pm #302735nealfanforever
ParticipantPossible and plausible and if they didn’t have another character called Snow White on the show I’d say likely. The only flaw is, if Regina is both Snow White and the Evil Queen (Like Red is both Red Riding Hood and the Wolf) then where does that leave the actual Snow White played by Ginny Goodwin?
We had a character named Aurora and K&H told us all right off the bat, she was not the original Sleeping Beauty. They took the guess work out. The same may be true of Snow White/Mary Margaret. She could be a Generation Two character like Aurora.
Wouldn’t it be an ironic twist if we find out that like in the original Snow White story, the Evil Queen (ie Regina) is Snow White’s (Generation Two-Mary Margaret) birth mother…not her adopted mother. There are nods that this could be possible. Have you ever noticed there are times when Regina puts her hand on her belly when she is with Mary Margaret. Mary Margaret was ten years old when she met Regina (making her most likely 28 in the episode)…Henry was ten years old when he met 28 year old Emma. Granny wanted to train Red in the family business of the diner. Regina trained Emma in magic. The comment has been made that magic does not run in Emma’s family. If Regina were Snow’s mother, Emma would have inherited her magic. Regina dressed in a way that reflected her father’s love for horses. If this crack theory is true that Regina is Snow’s birth mother it is interesting how Bandit Snow dressed like Robin Hood. I think Regina and Robin were together before Regina met Daniel and before Robin met Marian. Cora managed to separate them and wipe their memories.
If that crack theory proves false there are other possibilities for Snow…she and Regina could be sisters who switched places. There are lots of possibilities.
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April 26, 2015 at 6:44 pm #302738nealfanforever
ParticipantMother’s/Daughter’s – If the crack theory that Mary Margaret is Regina’s daughter is true…notice Regina’s hand on her belly. It is also possible they were sisters.
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April 26, 2015 at 6:51 pm #302740PriceofMagic
ParticipantRegina isn’t Snow’s birth mother, there’s evidence in show to prove it. There is also evidence to prove Regina is not Snow’s sister.
Aurora not being the original sleeping beauty works because “Sleeping Beauty” is not name specific unlike Snow White.
I think you’re stretching to be honest. If you really do believe in your theory though, why not tweet it to Adam?
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Keeper of FelixApril 26, 2015 at 6:56 pm #302741nealfanforever
ParticipantRegina isn’t Snow’s birth mother, there’s evidence in show to prove it.
What evidence? We did not see Eva give birth to Mary Margaret. In a show with lots of baby procuring it is possible Snow was procured for Eva.
There is also evidence to prove Regina is not Snow’s sister.
What evidence? Zelena snitched a sample of Regina’s blood which could have been used to open the lock.
Aurora not being the original sleeping beauty works because “Sleeping Beauty” is not name specific unlike Snow White.
In the Disney movie, Sleeping Beauty, the princess was named Aurora. K&H made it clear that Aurora was not “that” Aurora.
I think you’re stretching to be honest. If you really do believe in your theory though, why not tweet it to Adam?
Tweeting a crack theory would not yield any results because Adam doesn’t give spoilers.
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April 26, 2015 at 7:13 pm #302743PriceofMagic
Participant1. Leopold is Snow’s father. Snow being Regina’s sister would make the Regina/Leopold pairing even more messed up.
2. Cora and Henry Sr are Regina’s parents. For Snow and Regina to be related one of them would have to be Snow’s parent. This is not the case.
3. Cora told dead Eva she was going to destroy her legacy by corrupting Snow’s heart.
4. Aurora’s mother is called Briar Rose which is a name Disney’s sleeping beauty went by.
5. Adam might not give spoilers but if your theory is wrong, he can deny it.Your theory, whilst interesting requires a lot of hoop jumping and suspension of disbelief. If your theory was true, it would’ve been mentioned in-show by now. We’re 4 seasons in, 5 possibly being the last, it’s too late to bring that into the show. You’re convinced your theory is true which means you are looking for stuff to support it rather than the evidence actually being there.
One of the triplets in B&tB is pulling an evil regal sign. Does that mean that Disney always planned to do Once Upon a Time as far back as the early 90s? Hell no, it’s just a funny coincidence. I think you’re stretching to find meaning in things that are for all intents and purposes are meaningless.
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Keeper of FelixApril 26, 2015 at 8:03 pm #302745nealfanforever
Participant1. Leopold is Snow’s father. Snow being Regina’s sister would make the Regina/Leopold pairing even more messed up.
We believe Leopold to be Snow’s father, just like people believed King George was David’s father or for that matter, James’ father, but in truth he was not. There are many adopted children who are not told they are adopted and many families who do not disclose that adoption. Another possibility is a baby switch (ABC has a Switched at Birth series and ironically one of the main characters is named Regina). I’ve never quite trusted Johanna. It wouldn’t surprise me if someone like her could have switched babies on Eva. There are many possibilities. We’ve also had the example of Cora planning on passing off one mans baby (fake Prince Jonathan) as another man’s baby…ironically that would be Prince Leopold. Wouldn’t it be ironic if fate proved true and even though Cora’s plan fell through and Zelena was not raised as Leopold’s baby…Snow was raised instead. Perhaps Leopold was fated to raise another man’s child. There is a term for that…the term is cuckold. To be a cuckold is to unwittingly investing parental effort into offspring that is not your own. The symbol for this is horns (antlers). Have you ever noticed how many antlers are on this show. There are antlers over the door of Regina’s family vault.
If Leopold is in fact Snow’s biological father then I do not believe Regina would be Snow’s mother. That is just too icky for this show.
2. Cora and Henry Sr are Regina’s parents. This is not the case..
We assume Cora and Henry Sr. are Regina’s parents, however, Cora was prepared to pass Zelena off as Prince Leopold’s child so it is not a stretch to think she could also do this to Henry Sr.
For Snow and Regina to be related, one of them would have to be Snow’s parent.
My crack theory is that Regina is Snow’s mother…thus Cora and Henry Sr. are irrelevant, as anyone could be Regina’s parent and Regina still be the mother of Snow. If however, Regina and Snow are sisters then you are correct…they would have to share to at least one parent. This does not have to be Cora or Henry Sr. It simply has to be the same parent. We were told that Rumple knew Regina apart from Cora back when she was “portable.” This does seem to be a nod to Rumple knowing Regina as a baby and we know that he is a pawnbroker when it comes to babies.
3. Cora told dead Eva she was going to destroy her legacy by corrupting Snow’s heart.
Yes she did. This could be several possibilities.
1. Cora does not know that Snow is not Eva’s biological child. As K&H have said, adoptive parents are real parents…thus Snow would still be Eva’s legacy.
2. Cora does know that Snow is not Eva’s biological child. Granny raised Red. Perhaps Eva is in actuality Snow’s grandmother. You would have a mash-up worthy of a Shakespearean dramedy. Eva gives birth to Regina…perhaps before her marriage to Leopold or she pulls a Cora and intends to pass off another man’s child off as Leopold’s. Regina is somehow stolen or switched…and Cora, Eva’s arch nemesis ends up with her. Cora may know or she may not know. If she does know it would sure explain why she was so abusive. Poor Eva and Leopold go for years without a child…sad, sad, sad.
Meanwhile…fast forward and Regina is all grown up and she and Robin of Locksley have a baby that is either switched, stolen or given away….and that baby ends up with childless Eva…party!!!! So, unknown to Eva, she is raising her own granddaughter, who is biologically related to her but not to Leopold.
Sounds far fetched but Shakespeare wrote the book on stories like this. Irony, Irony, Irony….
4. Aurora’s mother is called Briar Rose which is a name Disney’s sleeping beauty went by.
Yes, she is called Briar Rose by her little adoptive aunt fairies in the Disney movie. The name given to her by her father and mother, King Stefan and Queen Leah, is Princess Aurora. So, we have the mother from the Disney movie named Aurora and we have the daughter from Once Upon a Time named Aurora. I don’t see it to be a big stretch if the same thing were true of Regina and Mary Margaret…Snow White the mother…Snow White the daughter.
5. Adam might not give spoilers but if your theory is wrong, he can deny it.
I have tweeted Adam in the past proposing this theory….his answer??? Crickets!!!!
Your theory, whilst interesting requires a lot of hoop jumping and suspension of disbelief. If your theory was true, it would’ve been mentioned in-show by now. We’re 4 seasons in, 5 possibly being the last, it’s too late to bring that into the show.
From Twitter March 19, 2015
Kyle Gillespie @Magnusxxn – “…In other words, Once timeline is full of inconsistencies and mistakes.
Adam Horowitz – “we plan things rather intricately. And do our best to stick to the plan.”
Also, K&H indicated that at the end of this season we will rewatch the entire series from a different perspective.
You’re convinced your theory is true which means you are looking for stuff to support it rather than the evidence actually being there.
Well…I called it a crack theory and used the word “if”…so no, I am not convinced it is true and I’m pretty sure that looking for supportive evidence is what we all do with theories…whether they are crack theories or regular theories. Although I can look for evidence…I cannot manufacture evidence. If things turn up that seem to support the theory then yeah! If not, I sure wouldn’t have created this post. lol.
One of the triplets in B&tB is pulling an evil regal sign. Does that mean that Disney always planned to do Once Upon a Time as far back as the early 90s? Hell no, it’s just a funny coincidence.
That is comparing apples to oranges. All evidence I’ve used to undergird this crack theory are from this current series…written by people who have said from the beginning they know how they want it to end. It is not a big leap for them to embed clues into the show throughout the seasons that make for a big reveal. If by some chance this crack theory proves to be true it would be inconsistent with their writing style to have omitted clues embedded throughout the series.
I think you’re stretching to find meaning in things that are for all intents and purposes are meaningless.
You are certainly welcome to your opinion regarding that. 🙂
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