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Ok…let me see how I can put this.
First let me say this…Regina was originally supposed to learn Light Magic, it was her original power. Hence her power hurl at Cora in 2×02 being a whitish blue color rather than the purple/red she has now…and that’s more than likely the reason why she was struggling so hard with dark magic because she was always meant to have learned light magic instead. I guess you can say Zelena and Regina were so supposed to have been Yang and Yin, Dark and Light, but thanks to Rumple…it was instead dark and dark.
Now, I think the episode order goes a little something like this…I’d put Snow White around 14 at Enter The Dragon, they used Ginnifer because Bailee was more than likely unavailable at the time due to filming The Good Witch. And they didn’t show Ginnifer’s face so it could have been a stunt double.)
1. The Stable Boy Episode (We know what happened, Snow was ten, Regina was around nineteen.)
2. We Are Both (Around two weeks later, Regina’s first burst of magic, which was not dark but very powerful.)
3. The Doctor (Around six months into a year after the wedding, still considered Regina’s first lessons somewhat, mainly to resurrect Daniel, which after failing…she converts to the Dark Side thinking it’d help her, and she masters heart ripping.)
4. Quite A Common Fairy (I’d say this about two years after The Doctor (Regina is around 22, and Snow is around 13), and this is where something is missing….something must have happened before this episode that made Regina initially quit Rumple’s lessons, hence, him coming after her and polluting her mind that there is no escape from her dark fate. We know Regina was supposed to have met Robin, but ran away.
5. Enter The Dragon (This could be a year after QACF (Regina would be 23, Snow would be 14 hence Lana using Young Regina’s voice still, and us seeing Snow hit a growth spurt, again no Bailee so they used either a stunt double or Ginnifer, and just didn’t show her face.)
With this timeline, it’s more understandable as to why Regina was struggling with learning dark magic with the current timeline somehow still managing to be able to work.
6. Fruit of the Poisonous Tree (By the time we get here…I think at least eight to ten years have passed since Enter the Dragon and Regina is full on Evil Queen underneath the Good Queen façade, which means she’s a master at dark magic. Regina is around 31 years old, and Snow is around 22)
7. The Heart Is A Lonely Hunter (Regina is the Evil Queen, thus a master in dark magic.)
Counting Regina’s Seven Years of Terror/Bandit Snow up to the Dark Curse being cast…I’d say Regina was around 38 and Snow was around 29.
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How long were Phillip and Aurora cursed then?
And that’s the next issue. I could almost buy everything people are saying about Snow and Regina and wonky unfocused timelines that *might* make sense if we take into account many factors…BUT the Aurora scene at the end is what threw everything for a loop. (Though the Aurora scene felt out of left field and retconnish for a whole host of reasons)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"No I think this is a pretty big timeline issue. Lana deliberately chose to use Young! Regina’s voice during a lot of this and the costume was more Stable Princess than it was EvilQueen. After the Doctor, Regina was in all black because she’d gone dark side and killed a person, had her Evil Queen voice and was ripping out hearts. This episode…she can’t make a fireball. The issue is Snow. If it wasn’t for a much older Snow White–in the Doctor Snow was still young enough that she would have been played by Bailee. This is one of those instances where they should have cut out that moment of Snow riding through the glen.
I disagree.
First, using a stunt double instead of Bailey probably saved them some money.
Second, Lana’s voice was all over the place in ep 14, sometimes Young Regina, sometimes more the EQ. (Many of her facial expressions were pretty creepy too, especially when she looked up at Mal flying about as a dragon). I think the voice she used when she wore the black clothes was Lana’s choice when she did not know that more of Regina’s backstory was coming up in s04e14…because she frequently claims that the actors rarely get to see what happens more than one script at a time. For this reason, I have chosen to ignore her voice for the ep when she ripped out the gypsy’s heart. It is still a continuity issue, but for different reasons, so I think the timeline I suggested on the previous page fits so far.
How long were Phillip and Aurora cursed then?
Quite a while I think. Which I don’t think is a problem because correct me if I am wrong (my memory is hazy) it hasn’t been stated or shown explicitly how long they were cursed for. When Aurora woke up and asked something like ”how long has it been?” I think it can be argued that she was referring to the duration of the curse (I am guessing she asked this, I can’t really remember). (It probably didn’t mean that originally, as A&E don’t plan as far as they should, but I think we can stretch our imaginations a bit and accommodate this).
@WickedRegal your timeline is almost identical to mine, except I place several weeks or months between the resurrection attempt and Regina taking out the heart even though we saw both scenes in the same episode. Between these two scenes, I place all of s03e03.However, like you said, I am also open to the suggestion that Regina ripped out the gypsy girl’s heart a couple of days after the resurrection attempt, and was able to do it at that particular moment because she had just lost Daniel at that point, and her heart was temporarily dark enough to do it. The black could not only represent her switch to darkness for that particular, stand-alone moment, but it could also represent her mourning Daniel (black=funerals). (Yes, her dress *style* represents just her temporary switch to darkness). Then, afterwards, she realized the gravity of what she had done and then started to avoid Rumple…hence s0e03.
Either way, Regina meeting Mal definately happened after the scene with the gypsy and running out of the tavern. Regina still being inconsistent with her magic skills is believable because to re-emphasize, Regina was still struggling with magic when Rumple had to disguise her so that she can pass as a peasant.
Overall, ep14 is not a perfect fit, but it does kinda fit.
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First, using a stunt double instead of Bailey probably saved them some money.
They could use a stunt double for Bailey just as easily as they did for Ginny.
For this reason, I have chosen to ignore her voice for the ep when she ripped out the gypsy’s heart. It is still a continuity issue, but for different reasons, so I think the timeline I suggested on the previous page fits so far.
I dunno. If we have to start ignoring stuff that happened in previous season episodes in order to make current episodes fit, then that’s a whole other can or worms and one that is going to get exhausting once we hit S5 when we have to start ignoring S4B because the writers can’t firmly establish timelines and arcs.
Quite a while I think. Which I don’t think is a problem because correct me if I am wrong (my memory is hazy) it hasn’t been stated or shown explicitly how long they were cursed for.
Well if Snow was between 16-18 in this episode and she was kicked out of the castle at the tail end of that span….and Belle changed Phil back about 3 years before the Curse…then Phil was cursed for 2-3 years. While he was on his way back to Aurora, the Curse hit.
Phil, I don’t have an issue with overall. It’s Aurora. She says in S2 about how taking the Curse was her sacrifice but…that…isn’t what we saw on screen. And I’ll even fanwank away the dress issue since Snow was in bandit clothing when she ate the apple but in her white outfit when Charming woke her (cause apparently the dwarves dressed her…??) But it goes back to what I said above. If we have to start blatantly ignoring past facts in order for the new arc to make sense, this is going to get old right quick.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"First, using a stunt double instead of Bailey probably saved them some money.
They could use a stunt double for Bailey just as easily as they did for Ginny.
For this reason, I have chosen to ignore her voice for the ep when she ripped out the gypsy’s heart. It is still a continuity issue, but for different reasons, so I think the timeline I suggested on the previous page fits so far.
I dunno. If we have to start ignoring stuff that happened in previous season episodes in order to make current episodes fit, then that’s a whole other can or worms and one that is going to get exhausting once we hit S5 when we have to start ignoring S4B because the writers can’t firmly establish timelines and arcs.
I agree.
First, using a stunt double instead of Bailey probably saved them some money.
They could use a stunt double for Bailey just as easily as they did for Ginny.
I imagine that child stunt double cost more than an adult. Besides, though most girls stop growing at 16, some like myself stop at 14.
Regarding Lana’s voice, you don’t need to deal with a can of worms just yet. The only thing you need to disregard is Lana’s choice that was dependent on what she knew at the time. If her choice was due to being told to be the EQ, then yes, we should be irritated. However, if you read my post above, to make things fit you could say that her EQ voice could have been due to a temporary darkness from losing Daniel a second time.
Regarding Aurora, her being cursed is definitely a plot continuity error as in …a cause and effect error. It might not be a timeline error though. Unless of course the writers plan to show her being cursed several times and her most recent one was a sacrifice, but I don’t think that this is the case.
Keeper of Regina's bravery
Aurora believed that it had only been a year since she was cursed in season 2 which Mulan had to reveal it had actually been 30 years. Since Regina was no where near casting the dark curse in 414, Aurora must’ve been cursed twice, especially as where she woke up in season 2 looked nothing like where she fell asleep in this episode.
In Fruit of the poisonous tree, Regina was still playing the innocent card before she had Leopold killed and revealed her true colours. Snow was then exiled to banditry. We know she met Charming whilst Belle was still at the dark castle and her relationship with Rumple had progressed to banter. Belle helped Philip in the Outsider which was after Skin Deep and Regina was full on Evil Queen at that point and hunting down Snow.
Enter the Dragon is definitely before Fruit of the Poisonous Tree. Regina is the continuity issue because her behaviour and attitude is not that of someone plotting murder. Regina was taking away everything Snow loved, the horse was first, Leopold would be the next thing.
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Keeper of FelixPhil, I don’t have an issue with overall. It’s Aurora. She says in S2 about how taking the Curse was her sacrifice but…that…isn’t what we saw on screen. And I’ll even fanwank away the dress issue since Snow was in bandit clothing when she ate the apple but in her white outfit when Charming woke her (cause apparently the dwarves dressed her…??) But it goes back to what I said above. If we have to start blatantly ignoring past facts in order for the new arc to make sense, this is going to get old right quick.
Not even just that, but the sleeping curse had to be taken willingly. That was probably why they had Aurora say she fell under it as a sort of sacrifice in the first place. We didn’t see Aurora take the curse willingly, as Maleficent simply used brute force to prick her. It was clearly against Aurora’s will, too.
Aurora must’ve been cursed twice, especially as where she woke up in season 2 looked nothing like where she fell asleep in this episode.
Well Snow woke up nowhere near where she fell asleep too. That doesn’t bother me. People can be dressed and moved.
Aurora thinking it had only been a year since she fell into the sleeping curse makes this either a HUGE timeline discrepancy since Snow is still living at home (making it several years before the curse). I suppose Aurora could have been cursed twice but…how will we ever know? That’s not the roster of upcoming episodes so far as we know.
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