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Aurora believed that it had only been a year since she was cursed in season 2 which Mulan had to reveal it had actually been 30 years. Since Regina was no where near casting the dark curse in 414, Aurora must’ve been cursed twice, especially as where she woke up in season 2 looked nothing like where she fell asleep in this episode. In Fruit of the poisonous tree, Regina was still playing the innocent card before she had Leopold killed and revealed her true colours. Snow was then exiled to banditry. We know she met Charming whilst Belle was still at the dark castle and her relationship with Rumple had progressed to banter. Belle helped Philip in the Outsider which was after Skin Deep and Regina was full on Evil Queen at that point and hunting down Snow. Enter the Dragon is definitely before Fruit of the Poisonous Tree. Regina is the continuity issue because her behaviour and attitude is not that of someone plotting murder. Regina was taking away everything Snow loved, the horse was first, Leopold would be the next thing.
Perhaps Mulan got it wrong because she got this information from Philip who also got it wrong because he was cursed too, and no one could tell him properly how long he had been cursed for.
I know I am reaching, but like I said…not a perfect fit, but it does kinda fit.
I had also suggested Aurora being cursed twice, above, and on page 2 I had already pointed out that Regina was not plotting revenge until the events in ep14…so we are in agreement on these two points.
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Phil, I don’t have an issue with overall. It’s Aurora. She says in S2 about how taking the Curse was her sacrifice but…that…isn’t what we saw on screen. And I’ll even fanwank away the dress issue since Snow was in bandit clothing when she ate the apple but in her white outfit when Charming woke her (cause apparently the dwarves dressed her…??) But it goes back to what I said above. If we have to start blatantly ignoring past facts in order for the new arc to make sense, this is going to get old right quick.
Not even just that, but the sleeping curse had to be taken willingly. That was probably why they had Aurora say she fell under it as a sort of sacrifice in the first place. We didn’t see Aurora take the curse willingly, as Maleficent simply used brute force to prick her. It was clearly against Aurora’s will, too.
Yes exactly. They made Aurora call it a sacrifice because in S1 Snow took it willingly and then in S2 (around the same time Aurora was telling us about her sacrifice) DAVID was taking the curse willingly. And of course Henry had done the same thing in 121.
There are far more instances of the sleeping curse being taken willingly than there are instances of it being forced. Aurora is now the outlier that makes no sense . Even if she was cursed a second time (which would be…weird) the first shouldn’t have worked at all since it’s been established in every other case that it has to be taken willingly.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Phil, I don’t have an issue with overall. It’s Aurora. She says in S2 about how taking the Curse was her sacrifice but…that…isn’t what we saw on screen. And I’ll even fanwank away the dress issue since Snow was in bandit clothing when she ate the apple but in her white outfit when Charming woke her (cause apparently the dwarves dressed her…??) But it goes back to what I said above. If we have to start blatantly ignoring past facts in order for the new arc to make sense, this is going to get old right quick.
Not even just that, but the sleeping curse had to be taken willingly. That was probably why they had Aurora say she fell under it as a sort of sacrifice in the first place. We didn’t see Aurora take the curse willingly, as Maleficent simply used brute force to prick her. It was clearly against Aurora’s will, too.
Yes exactly. They made Aurora call it a sacrifice because in S1 Snow took it willingly and then in S2 (around the same time Aurora was telling us about her sacrifice) DAVID was taking the curse willingly. And of course Henry had done the same thing in 121. There are far more instances of the sleeping curse being taken willingly than there are instances of it being forced. Aurora is now the outlier that makes no sense . Even if she was cursed a second time (which would be…weird) the first shouldn’t have worked at all since it’s been established in every other case that it has to be taken willingly.
Yes, how the curse works is a continuity error. But it not a timeline error, as the different rules in magic in this case does not affect the timeline. I am focusing on the timeline, as this the purpose of this thread 😉
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A lot of this flashback would have made a lot more sense had the following happened:
1) This took place when Regina was already full on Evil Queen and Snow was on the run. Placing the flashback within this time frame would have placed it not long before “The Outsider”, which would match with the timeline. Having this take place during Regina’s apprentice days just doesn’t make sense.
2) Have Regina find Maleficent, because she’s looking for a curse to use on Snow. She finds out about the sleeping curse, and we see her trade the dark curse for it as previously established.
3) We had actually seen Aurora sacrifice herself before going under the sleeping curse.@KEB I feel for you, having to change the time line all the time. And it is worse for you when eps like ep14 come up and it not 100% clear on the sequence of events. Hugs to you!
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A lot of this flashback would have made a lot more sense had the following happened: 1) This took place when Regina was already full on Evil Queen and Snow was on the run. Placing the flashback within this time frame would have placed it not long before “The Outsider”, which would match with the timeline. Having this take place during Regina’s apprentice days just doesn’t make sense. 2) Have Regina find Maleficent, because she’s looking for a curse to use on Snow. She finds out about the sleeping curse, and we see her trade the dark curse for it as previously established. 3) We had actually seen Aurora sacrifice herself before going under the sleeping curse.
I agree. This is what should have happened. But this is not the time line we saw, unfortunately.
Besides, again, continuity issues over *how* the curse works does not affect the timeline.
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Yes, how the curse works is a continuity error. But it not a timeline error, as the different rules in magic in this case does not affect the timeline. I am focusing on the timeline, as this the purpose of this thread 😉
An error is an error is an error. I’ve seen conversations on this forum go from Point A to Point Mars in the blink of an eye. Purpose changes when people begin to point out other flaws. It’s a valid point and a valid criticism that Matt and I have both touched on above for various reasons.
2) Have Regina find Maleficent, because she’s looking for a curse to use on Snow. She finds out about the sleeping curse, and we see her trade the dark curse for it as previously established.
Yes why in the world wasn’t THAT the story? That’s what a bunch of us expected, I think.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I am not disputing that it’s an error. I never said it wasn’t a valid criticism. It is indeed a valid criticsm of the rules of magic. ******I am disputing it’s relevance in a thread about the *timeline***** It is the timeline we are trying to fathom here, not the rules of magic.
I am trying to stick to the thread title, the topic.
Edit: whether or not the curse needs to be taken willingly does not affect the timeline.
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Aurora thinking it had only been a year since she fell into the sleeping curse makes this either a HUGE timeline discrepancy since Snow is still living at home (making it several years before the curse).
I agree.
I suppose Aurora could have been cursed twice but…how will we ever know? That’s not the roster of upcoming episodes so far as we know.
Aurora being cursed twice, even though there’s two different timelines now, I don’t think that makes sense either. I think Aurora was only cursed once.
Aurora being cursed twice, even though there’s two different timelines now, I don’t think that makes sense either. I think Aurora was only cursed once.
Actually. We can pretty confidently say that she was only cursed once, right? The Red Room. She was terrified of it, as if she had never been there before. If she had been cursed twice, she would know what to expect the second time ’round.
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