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They are filler because what Hook is doing in the Enchanted forest and Neverland does not matter. They were pointless scenes.
So him getting back home doesn’t matter? You’re not making any sense.
Would a mcguffin in Neverland be any different from a mcguffin elsewhere? Did we really need the scenes of blackbeard and him?
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They are filler because what Hook is doing in the Enchanted forest and Neverland does not matter. They were pointless scenes.
So him getting back home doesn’t matter? You’re not making any sense.
Would a mcguffin in Neverland be any different from a mcguffin elsewhere? Did we really need the scenes of blackbeard and him?
I guess it depends whether Blackbeard factors into the bigger story? For all we know he could end up being hugely important (most likely not, but we don’t know for sure!)
They are filler because what Hook is doing in the Enchanted forest and Neverland does not matter. They were pointless scenes.
So him getting back home doesn’t matter? You’re not making any sense.
Would a mcguffin in Neverland be any different from a mcguffin elsewhere? Did we really need the scenes of blackbeard and him?
I guess it depends whether Blackbeard factors into the bigger story? For all we know he could end up being hugely important (most likely not, but we don’t know for sure!)
He’s not. I’m not giving them the benfit of the doubt anymore.
This whole thing with Hook seems pointless because they have him face unconected nonesense with different people instead of have him face some kind of journey of self refelction and atonement.
He first does something with I don’t even remember their names, then enter Jasmine with her side story which has nothing to do him (except some unappropriate parallel I guess?), by the way the first two characters are not needed anymore so they basically said “the plot doesn’t need us goodbye”, then we get stupid jokes with blackbeard and now some stuff with the lost boys (who are suddenly still in neverland) and tiger lily (a character that the audience hasn’t met before). All this instead of having him face event that would raise the question of “am I a good person?”, “How can I make things right with the people I’ve wronged?”, “Do I even deserve a happy ending?”, Etc..
"All your questions are pointless"
Would a mcguffin in Neverland be any different from a mcguffin elsewhere? Did we really need the scenes of blackbeard and him?
I agree that Hook being gone could be considered filler. But since we’re here, you need to see the story play out. If Hook meets Tiger Lilly and she helps him get home for example, than meeting Blackbeard was relevant to show us bc that’s how he got the bean that took him to Neverland. Without Blackbeard, how does he get to Neverland? I also happened to feel like the blackbeard scenes gave the depressing child abuse episode some good comic relief. But that’s beside the point. Do I want a macguffin in Neverland to bring him home. No of course not. Did I want Hook to leave in the first place. No. But did Blackbeard lead Hook to Neverland where he finds a way home? Yup. So then Blackbeard is relevant to the plot. You can hate the plot. But it’s most certainly relevant. Take the Blackbeard scenes out and just poof Hook in Neverland. Is that better? Nope.
I am making sense. The Hook scenes had nothing to do with anything. There was no character development. They were Hook interacting with a character who holds no relevance to the plot and even if he somehow shows up and takes Hook’s ship, he could have done that without all of that wasted screen time.
Hook can get home without showing him wandering around, gambling and adventuring, with Blackbeard. Hook getting home is the only plot point that matters, nothing in that episode was at all about that. They could have just left the bit where Gideon tells Emma that Hook can’t get back because he has her tears and left it at that. Those scenes were a complete waste and were off point in an episode that was about Emma/Snow, Henry/Regina, and Gideon/Black Fairy/Belle.
If they wanted to show him arrive in Neverland at the end of the episode via bean and run from some lost boys, that would have been enough to just establish that Hook was in Neverland.
I would have preferred the hook scenes to be the main part of another episode. I think this episode should have just focused on the black fairy and Gideon scenes in the present and past. Hook doesn’t fit into that.
I actually quite enjoyed Hook this episode for what it’s worth. But I agree his scenes were pointless to the episode. I highly doubt any of the neverland/tiger lily stuff will tie into anything having to do with the black fairy
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Oh yeah I doubt it will either. But it will have something to do with how he gets home. Which is my point.
I am making sense. The Hook scenes had nothing to do with anything. There was no character development. They were Hook interacting with a character who holds no relevance to the plot and even if he somehow shows up and takes Hook’s ship, he could have done that without all of that wasted screen time. Hook can get home without showing him wandering around, gambling and adventuring, with Blackbeard. Hook getting home is the only plot point that matters, nothing in that episode was at all about that. They could have just left the bit where Gideon tells Emma that Hook can’t get back because he has her tears and left it at that. Those scenes were a complete waste and were off point in an episode that was about Emma/Snow, Henry/Regina, and Gideon/Black Fairy/Belle.
If Hook getting home is the only plot point that matters, you can’t say all these scenes don’t matter. They are leading to the moment where he is able to finally go home. It’s called plot. It’s called a story. To just say that Hook can’t get back and not show us his struggle and who he meets and what he does to get back, and then poof, he’s back….well talk about underwhelming. Again, you may not like the plot of Hook being gone and trying to find his way home, but for the whole Hook finding his way home plot, what he’s doing is relevant (to that plot). It’s not like they showed us a scene where Hook strikes up a conversation with a local pigeon and has a drink with it. That would be irrelevant. But with Blackbeard, he got the bean from him. How? In a poker game Blackbeard cheated at. They then used the bean but it took them to Neverland instead. That’s called plot points. Again, you may not like the story/plot they are telling, and you may not like that the scenes were meshed in this episode with the Black Fairy, but nothing happened in Hook’s story in this episode that wasn’t relevant to him finding a way back home.
If they wanted to show him arrive in Neverland at the end of the episode via bean and run from some lost boys, that would have been enough to just establish that Hook was in Neverland.
Really? You wouldn’t be nagging on the show for not showing us how he got to Neverland? That would be ridiculous if all they showed was him in Neverland and didn’t show how he got there.
If Hook getting home is the only plot point that matters, you can’t say all these scenes don’t matter. They are leading to the moment where he is able to finally go home. It’s called plot. It’s called a story. To just say that Hook can’t get back and not show us his struggle and who he meets and what he does to get back, and then poof, he’s back….well talk about underwhelming. Again, you may not like the plot of Hook being gone and trying to find his way home, but for the whole Hook finding his way home plot, what he’s doing is relevant (to that plot). It’s not like they showed us a scene where Hook strikes up a conversation with a local pigeon and has a drink with it. That would be irrelevant. But with Blackbeard, he got the bean from him. How? In a poker game Blackbeard cheated at. They then used the bean but it took them to Neverland instead. That’s called plot points. Again, you may not like the story/plot they are telling, and you may not like that the scenes were meshed in this episode with the Black Fairy, but nothing happened in Hook’s story in this episode that wasn’t relevant to him finding a way back home.
If they wanted to show him arrive in Neverland at the end of the episode via bean and run from some lost boys, that would have been enough to just establish that Hook was in Neverland.
Really? You wouldn’t be nagging on the show for not showing us how he got to Neverland? That would be ridiculous if all they showed was him in Neverland and didn’t show how he got there.
Except i can absolutely say that just showing Hook arriving on Neverland with a bean was all they needed to show. There are people that complain about the show not showing things that don’t need to be shown, but i am not one of them. Especially because there are so many important extremelly relevant scenes that would vastly enrich the characters and make their arcs and growth actually make sense. Those are the scenes that they should show. They could have had Hook get a bean from Aladdin or Jasmine or really any random way at the end of the last episode because it didn’t matter. There was no need to show a third of an episode of him doing a bunch of nothing.
Character growth is plot. This show does not have a plot anymore because the characters don’t grow. They don’t show the characters go to the bathroom or eat all the time or even go to work most of the time because it doesn’t matter. It was like them showing Hook poop for an episode instead of showing something of say Gideon interacting with Belle. I don’t even like Rumpel and Belle, but that would have at least made sense and been on point.
I think about Season 2 episode 2 when they just showed a scene right at the end of the episode where Snow and Emma are tied up and being dragged into the camp by Mulan and Aurora. They didn’t show how they got from unconscious to tied up and captured because, guess what, it didn’t matter.
If Hook getting home is the only plot point that matters, you can’t say all these scenes don’t matter. They are leading to the moment where he is able to finally go home. It’s called plot. It’s called a story. To just say that Hook can’t get back and not show us his struggle and who he meets and what he does to get back, and then poof, he’s back….well talk about underwhelming. Again, you may not like the plot of Hook being gone and trying to find his way home, but for the whole Hook finding his way home plot, what he’s doing is relevant (to that plot). It’s not like they showed us a scene where Hook strikes up a conversation with a local pigeon and has a drink with it. That would be irrelevant. But with Blackbeard, he got the bean from him. How? In a poker game Blackbeard cheated at. They then used the bean but it took them to Neverland instead. That’s called plot points. Again, you may not like the story/plot they are telling, and you may not like that the scenes were meshed in this episode with the Black Fairy, but nothing happened in Hook’s story in this episode that wasn’t relevant to him finding a way back home.
If they wanted to show him arrive in Neverland at the end of the episode via bean and run from some lost boys, that would have been enough to just establish that Hook was in Neverland.
Really? You wouldn’t be nagging on the show for not showing us how he got to Neverland? That would be ridiculous if all they showed was him in Neverland and didn’t show how he got there.
Except i can absolutely say that just showing Hook arriving on Neverland with a bean was all they needed to show. There are people that complain about the show not showing things that don’t need to be shown, but i am not one of them. Especially because there are so many important extremelly relevant scenes that would vastly enrich the characters and make their arcs and growth actually make sense. Those are the scenes that they should show. They could have had Hook get a bean from Aladdin or Jasmine or really any random way at the end of the last episode because it didn’t matter. There was no need to show a third of an episode of him doing a bunch of nothing.
Character growth is plot. This show does not have a plot anymore because the characters don’t grow. They don’t show the characters go to the bathroom or eat all the time or even go to work most of the time because it doesn’t matter. It was like them showing Hook poop for an episode instead of showing something of say Gideon interacting with Belle. I don’t even like Rumpel and Belle, but that would have at least made sense and been on point.
I think about Season 2 episode 2 when they just showed a scene right at the end of the episode where Snow and Emma are tied up and being dragged into the camp by Mulan and Aurora. They didn’t show how they got from unconscious to tied up and captured because, guess what, it didn’t matter.
I agree. Ariel could have given him a bean in the previous episode and in the current episode just have him landing in Neverland, then the lost boys start chasing him and he runs away. We didn’t need that whole Blackbeard crap.
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I agree there needs to be more character development. I have always said that. But they can have the story and show Hook finding his way to Neverland and still have character growth. They just suck at it. And character growth to me doesn’t necessarily equal plot. There are plenty of actions characters take that make us squirm on this show but we always say it’s bc “plot.” Their actions are serving the plot. Which has nothing to do with character development. You can still have a plot that is stale without good character development.
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