RIP Rumple

[Marty McFly]

There’s no coming back from death. this is one thing that Rumpel taught us when he sponsored Dr. Frankenstein’s work.
don’t worry, we will see him in flashbacks.

[RumplesGirl]

There’s no coming back from death. this is one thing that Rumpel taught us when he sponsored Dr. Frankenstein’s work.
don’t worry, we will see him in flashbacks.

But this was a very special circumstance. And Blue just came back from death.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Marty McFly]

Did everyone notice how Rumple kissed Malcolm in the moment right before they both disappeared? Just wanted to make sure no one missed that, because I don’t wanna be suffering suffering with the angst of that on my own. I wonder if that was a random (genius) acting choice by Bobby, or something that was actually scripted? If it was scripted, I have to wonder if it might have some significance for Rumple’s fate. Even in that moment where he was murdering his father, there was still love and forgiveness there in some measure.

I think he has always loved his father and that’s why he said to Belle that he has to be a monster for what he must do (kill his father). I also think that he has always been a hero but an unsung hero that everyone mistrusts, dislikes, fears, and in the end, no one even remembers.
(the mistrusting him part always bugged me. he was the most terrifyingly honest character I’ve ever seen or read about, ever)

[David Katz]

🙁

[Demileto]

So, I’ve yet to see the full episode, but I got to see Rumple and Pan’s death scene in Youtube and I have to agree with no body = no death. It’s too much of a common trope to think otherwise, just ask Joker! 😀

That said, I’d even include Pan in the no definite death list – why would Rumple survive and he dies when they shared the same fate?

[swanning-off]

I also don’t quite get the mechanics of Rumple (Dark One) stabs Pan (eternally young) with the Dark One dagger…. thus killing them both.

Like I get that it’s supposed to be you stab the Dark One with the DO Dagger & you become the new DO; but Rumple *is* the DO and he’s stabbing someone who isn’t the DO….

and that’s where I get confused. Why the magical effects? Is there something we don’t know yet (but have spent much time theorising) about Pan’s pixie dust shadow transformation to a perennial teenager and the Dark One curse?

And what are the mechanics of the Dark One dagger? You stab someone, anyone with the DO Dagger and you become the DO, *or* you stab the current DO with the DOD and become the new DO? It’s obviously an object closely tied to blood magic. But whose? Does it require the spilling of blood (in which case, Rumple is most likely still alive and with all his DO powers!) or does it require the spilling of the current DO’s blood? (in which case…. I have no idea what that means for Rumple).

[Marty McFly]

I think becoming the dark one was his only chance against his father. that’s why he had to protect Bae. I bet Honora was working for pan and drew a picture of the dagger to show him. I bet he tired to stop her sending that picture to pan but failed which is how August had it in the first place.
the guy he turned into a snail might have had something to do with pan as well.

I have a feeling that Rumpel has been the hero all along fighting evil, and not only fighting external evil, but internal as well. I think the dark one’s curse was this self preservation that was at an insane level, because after all, being Rumpelstiltkin in itself, living his life, is a fate worse than death. he struggled with that DO curse heroically, all this time knowing that the price of HIS magic was not only (like Emma said) never having a day off, but never being appreciated, never being loved, (well, Belle managed to almost break that curse) and always fighting for people who don’t trust him, and in the end, won’t even remember him.
It had to take great heroic strength to fight that DO self preservation curse, and this is why Pan never feared it – even though he KNEW that Rumpelstiltskin has a way of killing him, he also knew that the DO curse was too strong and that his weak son would never overcome it. I think it is Belle who helps him throw off that curse in the end and be able to do the thing he has meant to do for years (who knows, maybe he wanted to do this since the beginning, since the first day he’d become the DO and found out that it’s a way to kill Pan)

he did stop the Ogre wars, (and I bet Pan had a hand in those Ogre wars – probably for entertainment because he was so bored) and he probably knew that the only way to save his son from Pan was to use dark magic. so when he killed Zoso he knew what he was doing, but he DIDN’T know that his becoming the DO will come at the price of never wanting to die and always struggling to stay good without a day off etc

Poor Rumpel

I hated the way Bae was so unemotional. Even Emma felt sad and Snow. they never even liked Rumpel

[Demileto]

Ok, having seen the whole episode, my take is that, in Rumple’s understanding, Pan, as an immortal, could not be killed so long as he was magically empowered, so he instead stabbed himself and Pan with his dagger. Since he was stabbed by himself and not someone else, the Dark One’s curse overloaded and destroyed them both.

That makes sense to me. What doesn’t make sense is why does he believe Pan to be unkillable. They never really explained the nature of Pan’s immortality; we understood it to be because he was living in Neverland, but he wasn’t in NL in the winter finale, why wouldn’t he be just as mortal as Emma, Regina and everyone else, Rumple excluded? And you’d think his powers would still be waning since Regina took Henry’s heart out of him, but apparently not.

Seriously, that’s the second episode in a row that the flashbacks could’ve been used to actually ADD to the backstory, to answer questions, but they instead chose to use them to parallel themes we weren’t really caring about. C’mon now! -.-

[tiara_rose]

I think Rumple is now in the curse role. He is sealed in it. Like in the box of Pandora. The shadow connected them via blood magic so he could kill him. The body of Pan wasn’t absorbing Henrys heart so he could be killed by any dagger, but DO dagger was maybe the only dagger that couldn’t summoned by rumples dad so he has to use it. who kills the DO gets the DO so Rumple is it still. Maybe by this act of love he could destroy the dagger so he could be powerless but alive. His act of love is now on the scroll and saved his life, so WWW in my Opinion thanks for casting the curse again and brining him back.

LONG LIVE RUMPLESTILTSKIN!

Heros don't get their Happy Ending!

[RumplesGirl]

Ok, having seen the whole episode, my take is that, in Rumple’s understanding, Pan, as an immortal, could not be killed so long as he was magically empowered, so he instead stabbed himself and Pan with his dagger. Since he was stabbed by himself and not someone else, the Dark One’s curse overloaded and destroyed them both

Pretty much. Hence the glow-y light. I also think this means the DO’s curse was destroyed.

 

 

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