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I just wanted to vent something without having fireballs thrown at me in the chat.
While I do love Rumpel and Belle’s relationship, I honestly believe that Cora and Rumpel have/had a stronger relationship than he and Belle. Why? Because they have something RumBelle lacks: Chemistry. Yes, Cora is sort of wicked woman and her being with Rumpel would have been a negative thing… And sure Belle brings out the light in Rumpel…
BUT, Rumpel and Cora’s attraction to one another is a strong and passionate one. I totes believe Cora LOVED Rumpel. She said so herself, and the only reason she descends so heavily into wickedness is because she didn’t have her heart. Look at the change in her once her heart was put back in. She practically glows (ya know, before her death >>). Now imagine if she hadn’t have died and tried to have been good and do good for her daughters sake and her grandsons (great grandsons? I forget >>) She could have been a light for Rumpel and a much better one than Belle because Cora knows what it is like to be dark. Belle doesn’t.
Belle is a great girl… But Cora is a strong powerful woman. Personally, I think that’s what Rumpel needs. The two of them would make a hell of a powerful team. So while I think RumBelle is nice, I think had Cora survived with her heart attached and switched sides to Goodness, she’d have given Belle reason to worry. Cora and Rump have matching personalities, both love magic, would both be trying to be good, and plus they are both strong. Belle knows nothing of the struggle between good and evil, the allure of magic, or anything. Cora does.
THAT’S a love triangle. None of this Captain-Fire-Swan nonsense >> Just wanted to vent, dearies.
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Ok. Well first I have a problem with your premise that Rumbelle have no chemistry. Chemistry is wholly subjective. And I think the sheer volume of Fanfic of Rumbelle doing nothing but “the deed” is a testament to how much chemistry Rumple and Belle have on screen. So while you may not see chemistry, I think the fandom disagrees.
Cora and Rumple have chemistry to be sure but it’s a totally different type of chemistry. It’s the dangerous seductive “we’re evil so let’s perpetuate evil” kind of chemistry.
I don’t think Rumbelle/DarkHearts *ever* would have been a love triangle. Rumple loved Cora, sure. But it’s nowhere near what he feels for Belle. Not even close. Not even a little bit. Belle makes him want to be a better man; Cora makes him want to be the worst he can be.
Also. Belle is an incredibly powerful woman in her own right. No she doesn’t rip hearts or cast curses, but she is a pillar of strength. She’s not just a weak willed little girl; she stood up to Rumple in 204 and walked away when he broke promises.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Can’t deny there was chemistry on overload in the Miller’s Daughter. And hundreds of years later, as he was on his deathbed it was the last question Rumple asked of Cora. “Did you ever really love me?”. It was powerful tha even when Cora was willing to kill him to gain his dark powers, she told him that he was the only man she ever loved.
So, yeah, in a dark demented way, this was a love story of its own. Had she not ripped her heart out, who knows where their story could have gone.
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Get out.
No I’m just kidding.
Ok. Well first I have a problem with your premise that Rumbelle have no chemistry. Chemistry is wholly subjective. And I think the sheer volume of Fanfic of Rumbelle doing nothing but “the deed” is a testament to how much chemistry Rumple and Belle have on screen. So while you may not see chemistry, I think the fandom disagrees.
Cora and Rumple have chemistry to be sure but it’s a totally different type of chemistry. It’s the dangerous seductive “we’re evil so let’s perpetuate evil” kind of chemistry.
I don’t think Rumbelle/DarkHearts *ever* would have been a love triangle. Rumple loved Cora, sure. But it’s nowhere near what he feels for Belle. Not even close. Not even a little bit. Belle makes him want to be a better man; Cora makes him want to be the worst he can be.
Also. Belle is an incredibly powerful woman in her own right. No she doesn’t rip hearts or cast curses, but she is a pillar of strength. She’s not just a weak willed little girl; she stood up to Rumple in 204 and walked away when he broke promises.
I agree with this post 100%.
DarkHearts would never have worked out for the reason that Rumple is “full of love” whilst Cora believes that “Love is weakness” therefore Cora would have seen Rumple as full of weakness.
Cora (and Lacey) enjoyed the big bad side of Rumple whereas Belle loved him wholly even in his more vulnerable moments. Lacey was kind of Cora in Belle’s body and Rumple didn’t want that, he wanted Belle, not a cheap imitation.
Even if Cora had lived, the DarkHearts ship had long since sailed and sunk. It would’ve have been wrong for Rumple to go back to his ex just because she decided she wanted him now when he had someone who loved him for who he was not how powerful he could be.
I would say Lacey/Rumple had a similar chemistry to Cora/Rumple. It was more a lustful chemistry rather than a loving chemistry. RumBelle have that loving chemistry.
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This is the gist of my thoughts. I think that if Cora hadn’t died, she would have simply become a threat to the RumBelle ship. Perhaps or perhaps not Rumpel would have actually left Belle for her, but I don’t see why not. Cora is literally everything I would imagine someone like Rumpel would want. Even before her magic crazed evil, he genuinely cared for her and vice versa. Lets not forget the only way Cora could stop loving Rump was to tear out her own heart!
Well first I have a problem with your premise that Rumbelle have no chemistry. Chemistry is wholly subjective…. Cora and Rumple have chemistry to be sure but it’s a totally different type of chemistry. It’s the dangerous seductive “we’re evil so let’s perpetuate evil” kind of chemistry.
Me disagree. Well, no, I do agree but the thing is Rumpel has changed. If Cora had changed too (which she did briefly before her death) I think their chemistry would have synced up again but on a different level. For reasons I shall state below.
I don’t think Rumbelle/DarkHearts *ever* would have been a love triangle. Rumple loved Cora, sure. But it’s nowhere near what he feels for Belle. Not even close. Not even a little bit. Belle makes him want to be a better man; Cora makes him want to be the worst he can be.
This is the heartless Cora we have come to know. Someone who was completely gone when her heart was restored for those few seconds. The evil Cora didn’t give two craps for her own daughter. The love filled Cora said that just having Regina would have been enough for her. If she had survived, I think Cora would have worked to be a good mother for Regina, and grandmother for Henry, and she would have used her magic for good. Something Rumpel in his own way is trying to do. Be good. They would understand eachother in a way Belle does not understand Rumpel. Again, she doesn’t understand the corruption and allure of magic while Cora does. To say that Rump and Cora would not have some form of… interaction (not INTIMATE interaction) if she lived and became a good guy is cray-cray. I think Rump loves Belle, sure, but its no where near what he COULD have with Cora in the right circumstance.
RumplesGirl wrote: It would’ve have been wrong for Rumple to go back to his ex just because she decided she wanted him now when he had someone who loved him for who he was not how powerful he could be.
The heart wants what it wants. Rumpel kissed Cora in SB! He clearly has some leftover feelings for her. And im sure Cora loved him for more than just his power. If that were the case, leaving him to become queen wouldn’t have required her to rip out her heart. She loved HIM more than the power of being queen and the only way for her to get over it was to take her feelings away.
Idk… all this really hinges on IF Cora had survived. I just think if she lived, Belle had better step up her game >>
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to seal a deal.
Jane Espenson herself said that Rumple had to stand there and let it happen in order to get what he wanted, the globe and that he would leave Regina alone.
He did not kiss her out of passion.
Idk… all this really hinges on IF Cora had survived. I just think if she lived, Belle had better step up her game >>
You’re implying that Rumple would look twice at Cora, as if he has no free wil. He wouldn’t. He has his true love in Belle. He doesn’t need anyone else. It doesn’t matter how she changed…Belle changed HIM. Irrecoverably changed him. He’s not the same man that fell in love with Cora, and Cora’s not the same person he fell in love with.
Also, you seem to be implying that Belle is some weak natured little girl.
Cora and Belle are different takes on what it means to have power. Like so:
1) Cora felt powerless her whole life, therefore when she gained power, she made sure that *everyone* knew she had it. Her power is external.
2) Belle never felt powerless, in fact she uses her power to decide her own fate. She made the choice to go with Rumple. Her strength is inner power. She may be a maid/caretaker but she defied Rumple at every turn: releasing RH, talking back, challenging him to be a better man. It’s a quiet power but since when did we decide that POWER needed to be casting curses and ripping hearts?
Is Emma powerless because she doesn’t do loud spells? Is she powerless because she has never killed.
Belle has power but it’s not loud power. She is strong, but it’s a different strength.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Jane also said that he looked at Cora like a tumor, that he was furious. Seriously? He just stood there – the man was in complete shock after what had happened to Belle and he was not himself. Cora kissed him, that’s all…….
He asked Cora if she ever loved him because he needed to know that…not because he loved her any more at all, but because he’s a man who needs to be loved and he really wanted to know. Regardless, Cora saying she was the only man she ever loved meant zippo to me because she ripped her heart out……She had hear heart and she ripped it out.
Personally I didn’t see any chemistry at all between Bobby and Rose and I think Bobby and Emilie’s chemistry is the most remarkable I’ve ever seen, but this is besides the point. The Dark One loved Cora….and whatever love she felt for him, it was only as the DO. I hardly think she would have taken a single glance at Spinner Rumple; the real man inside of him held and would have held no interest for her.
Rumple, the man and the DO, loved Belle with every fiber of his being. He loved her so much that he replaced the Holy Grail with the chipped cup, wept and mourned for decades (and yes, I believe that while he was cursed, he was haunted by visions of Belle). He had a breakdown when the cup was stolen…the only part of her he had left; that cup became Belle.
Belle believed in him, always, the only person who always did. The TMD phone call said it all – that was the most beautiful and selfless act of love I’ve ever seen depicted. Gold is dying, he’s in agony, barely able to breathe………and what does he do? He doesn’t first speak to his son, he calls a woman who doesn’t have a clue who he is and struggles to tell her who she is. He won’t be around for her, but all he cares about is that she rediscover her identity. She was and always has been his hero; she was good and she created good, and she was the only one, EVER, who made him want to be the best version of himself. She gave him hope and light in a life that was filled with despair and darkness.
If Cora was around when Belle was, there would be……….nothing, Gold loves Belle so much, it hurts. In NL, the thought of a future and a family with Belle allowed his survival instincts to “kick in” and it got him out of his funk/depression. When he told Regina that his feelings for Belle illuminated him, I wanted to cry – it was so profound and even Regina (who ought to have known anyway) FINALLY got how much he loved Belle. Via the sand dollar, he told Belle that he believed in the strength and power of their love – and in NL, with Regina, that he believed in her. When Belle found the box, look at the gold light, the gold magic………it was the same gold light that we saw when she engaged the cloaking spell. That’s their TL magic, pure, gold, light.
Gold just sacrificed his life for Belle……he would give his life a thousand times over for her.
Rumbelle is extraordinary and we simply see far too little of them
I dont think Belle is powerless at all. I just think the kind of power that Rump is attracted to or would be more attracted to is the kind that Cora has. I never thought of it as internal and external (which is a great way of seeing it) but I still think…. Rump has some glimmer left still for Cora… I do believe that he is a changed person than who he once was but again, Cora with a heart is a changed woman clearly. And also, lest we forget, Rumpel wasn’t exactly opposed to Lacey who was a dark version of belle and similar to a magic-less Cora. Rump was into it totally. So if were suddenly out of the picture, I think he could easily find love again in Cora.
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I had to rush off to dinner but this occurred to me as well, so thanks for bringing it up. Rumple was the PASSIVE voice in that scene: Cora kissed Rumple. It was NOT Rumple kisses Cora, NEITHER was it Rumple and Cora kiss, implying active voices on both parts. Cora kissed him.
Personally I didn’t see any chemistry at all between Bobby and Rose and I think Bobby and Emilie’s chemistry is the most remarkable I’ve ever seen, but this is besides the point. The Dark One loved Cora….and whatever love she felt for him, it was only as the DO. I hardly think she would have taken a single glance at Spinner Rumple; the real man inside of him held and would have held no interest for her.
I see chemistry between Bobby and Rose but it was an uncomfortable chemistry. I wanted it to stop.
If Cora was around when Belle was, there would be……….nothing, Gold loves Belle so much, it hurts. In NL, the thought of a future and a family with Belle allowed his survival instincts to “kick in” and it got him out of his funk/depression. When he told Regina that his feelings for Belle illuminated him, I wanted to cry – it was so profound and even Regina (who ought to have known anyway) FINALLY got how much he loved Belle. Via the sand dollar, he told Belle that he believed in the strength and power of their love – and in NL, with Regina, that he believed in her. When Belle found the box, look at the gold light, the gold magic………it was the same gold light that we saw when she engaged the cloaking spell. That’s their TL magic, pure, gold, light.
I shall marry this paragraph.
Rump was into it totally. So if were suddenly out of the picture, I think he could easily find love again in Cora.
He was only into Lacey because she was Belle. It wasn’t like Lacey was a totally separate person. She’s Belle without the brakes and right then Rumple didn’t want brakes. But he didn’t go looking for another women. He stayed with HER.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"RG, yep…..he just stood there – and he had Belle on his mind. Cora was referring to Bae when she spoke of the only one in the world who still loved him, but what did Gold do? He turned away (tears in his eyes), swallowed hard, and asked if she had a spell to break the memory curse. That says it all.
I see chemistry between Bobby and Rose but it was an uncomfortable chemistry. I wanted it to stop.
It was just…..yeah, uncomfortable in the worst way for me. If I felt they had chemistry, I would admit it – it wouldn’t change my feelings, but I’d admit it. No, I didn’t feel it…….and aside from that, I just didn’t even like their story; I didn’t find it believable in any way. For all the supposed lust/love we were supposed to feel in that spinning wheel scene (or otherwise), there is more love/lust/passion/yearning in one Rumbelle glance, lol. They had to cut that deleted scene in Skin Deep (the one where Rumple has his hands on Belle’s waist and she’s leaning into him) because Bobby and Emilie brought way too much sex into that, lol; it wasn’t supposed to be that …..HOT.
I shall marry this paragraph
Aww, thanks! I get very passionate about Rumbelle…I’m NOT a romantic person at all (of course I’ve shipped couples before, but generally romance is not my thing), but these two honestly make me believe in epic love. I could go on and on, lol- and actually have, because they inspired me to write again. Oh that fan fic, lol.
He was only into Lacey because she was Belle. It wasn’t like Lacey was a totally separate person. She’s Belle without the brakes and right then Rumple didn’t want brakes. But he didn’t go looking for another women. He stayed with HER
I don’t even think he was into Lacey. I thought he didn’t like her very much, that he felt disdainful of her……Was he attracted to her? Probably because she looked like Belle, but she had none of Belle’s real strength, softness, kindness; Gold knew exactly what she was into: his power, his magic….
This curse was different than the curse Regina had enacted against everyone else. This one was designed to destroy Gold, so that he would and could never love Lacey and she could never really love him. She succeeded. In that scene where he places the necklace around her neck, I think Gold deliberately kept Lacey’s back to him because he could then pretend it was Belle. You could see how his hands hovered over her shoulders and how he wanted to run his hands over her body, but he knew it was Lacey…,he wanted and needed Belle. I loved how he couldn’t bear to bring Belle back just so she could die, but he needed her so much…and I believe that Belle also needed to be with him. If she were to die, she’d want to die as herself, in his arms, feeling his love surround her.
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