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I’m going to have to agree that what bound Cora and Rumple that night was passion, not love. I think Rumple yearned for love, and was hopeful, but that was not true love. Each was asking for payment for passion. Rumple wanted her baby, she wanted hid Gold. It was desire and passion, not love.
Unfortunately for Cora, she would never find love.
Fortunately for Rumple, he found his true love in Belle. And it was more than he imagined it could be.[adrotate group="5"]I’m going to have to agree that what bound Cora and Rumple that night was passion, not love. I think Rumple yearned for love, and was hopeful, but that was not true love. Each was asking for payment for passion. Rumple wanted her baby, she wanted hid Gold. It was desire and passion, not love.
Disagree. If Cora was only in it for what she could’ve got out of Rumpel, then why did she take her own heart? Why was it such a struggle for her to do so? Its because she genuinely loved him. I think the first night they met and used magic together can be seen as a night of wild passion (like a one night stand :P) but they were obviously together long enough for others to notice (King What’s-His-Face mentions that he knows about her and Rumpelstiltskin) so I think its possible they could have bonded over that time, even made snoo-snoo maybe. I just don’t think Cora was bent on using Rumpel for her own gain. She even cries when she leaves him >>
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But I have too say I would have enjoyed seeing their relationship corrupt and evil as it was, more then Rumples relationship with Belle- but then again, a lot of the things that happened because Cora took out her Heart and married Henry would not have happened.. so- bless that they split up 😉
I honestly believe that Cora and Rumple were in love but there are different kinds of love and it also depends on someone’s current emotional state. I think he fell in love with both Belle and Cora because they were different than the people he usually made deals with. Belle and Cora were strong women who wanted to be independent and didn’t like to be held back by anyone and that attracted him. Belle fell in love with him because she saw that there was a good man behind the mask of the DO. She wanted Rumple to bring out that person again, not for herself but for him since she could see how lonely and miserable he was during her stay in the DC.
For Cora, power was more important than love and she made that decision WITH her heart still inside of her. And she may only have turned evil because she didn’t have her heart, but that’s also a bit of an excuse. If you think of Graham, he didn’t have his either but still helped Charming escape from the EQ’s palace although he knew that he could therefore be killed by Regina.
Had she not ripped her heart out, who knows where their story could have gone.
He’d have kept encouraging her dark side, and vice versa, and no good would have come from it. Cora was ruthless even before she removed her heart. All that stuff about wanting their necks to break and their knees to crack, girlfriend had her heart when she was saying all that stuff, so had she kept her heart, and stayed with Rumple, that darkness in her would have just grown until it totally consumed her. That enlightened Cora we saw for 5 seconds before she died, that person wouldn’t have been able to exist, because her heart would have become 100% rotten.
And though the Dark One side of Rumple would have reveled in that sort of a relationship with Cora, the real man inside him who wanted to find his son would have hated it, hated himself. He knew it was wrong. Cora actually did him a favour by taking out her heart and dumping him, because had that not happened, he’d have become darker, would have been distracted from his mission to find his son, and would have ended up wallowing in more self loathing.
The Dark One loved Cora….and whatever love she felt for him, it was only as the DO. I hardly think she would have taken a single glance at Spinner Rumple; the real man inside of him held and would have held no interest for her.
She was only interested because his power seduced her, and that was something she craved. Agreed that she wouldn’t have given him a second glance if she’d met him as the man he used to be. That’s the big difference between Cora and Belle, the latter could see that that man was still in there and could come to the surface again, and she thought that was beautiful. She saw through the facade and right through to his heart and wanted to encourage the best in him. Cora wanted to encourage the worst. Part of that was just because the power got her all hot and bothered, but it was also essentially because she was using him to achieve her own selfish ends, and that’s not a healthy kind of love.
And also, lest we forget, Rumpel wasn’t exactly opposed to Lacey who was a dark version of belle and similar to a magic-less Cora. Rump was into it totally.
I guess there was an element of Cora in Lacey, but I don’t think they were totally the same. Granted, Lacey wasn’t exactly opposed to seeing a guy get whacked repeatedly with a cane, but I don’t think Lacey would have instigated that sort of violence of her own accord. Cora on the other hand, even Cora who still had her heart back in the day, totally would have. Lacey was selfish, but didn’t have Cora’s vindictive streak. Lacey was just an immature girl, having herself some fun without really considering anyone else’s feelings. Cora considered everyone else very carefully and wanted to destroy them specifically so she could hurt them.
There was just enough of a Cora-ish edge to Lacey that it encouraged some darkness out of Rumple for a little while there, but ultimately he realised that it was wrong, and Belle is who he really wanted and needed, even though that was the harder path, because giving into one’s weaknesses, which Lacey would have been totally fine with, is the easy way out. I think if he’d stuck with Cora back in the day, at some point he’d have realised that it was the wrong path for him, just like he realised Lacey was wrong, but by the time he realised that about Cora, who’s to say how far gone he’d have been, and how much harder it would have been to pull himself out of it. She’d have had powerful magic by then to be able to oppose his wishes if he even looked like wanting out, and she could have kept oppressing the good man still buried inside, so she could keep him dark.
Let’s not forget that Gold was putting on an act for Lacey………….the only really “bad” thing he did that wasn’t an act was his attempt to kill Henry, which was so completely out of character that I don’t even count it. That was utterly ridiculous; he’d avoided Henry all this time and now he’s going to kill him? His own son’s son? His son’s legacy? NOPE. They wrote it that way to show that Lacey brought out the darkness in him and they needed to get Gold going on some massive guilt trip as he goes to NL, but that was such god awful writing so as not to be believable
Oh em gee, the watcher, I wasn’t being serious abiut those fireballs, I just immitated the WWW in the oz movie who asked scarecraw if he wants to play ball… Your avatar reminded me of that, that’s all.
Anyway, speaking of Cora, let me begin by saying thay I absolutely LOVE her she’s the most insanely terrifying villain and has the best lines. I love her alot ALOT more than Pan.
Now. I think she and Rumpel really truely did love each other, and I agree that it was powerful that seconds before he thought he’d die all he wanted to know was did she ever love him, and that even WITHOUT HER HEART IN HER CHEST and with all that blood lust and power hunger, she still took the time to sit down beside him and answer his question (she NEVER talks to her victims while they’re still alive) so yeah, there was definately love there.
Just dont forget as much as they loved each other they thought nothing of killing each other!
When Rumpel met Cora he was in a vety bad place emotionally. He had probably just killed Milah, a woman that he also loved very much but who had told him she never loved HIM and knowing where he came from that must have REALLY hurt, since his father behaved like he loved him before turning around and saying the same thing. So when he met Cora and they had that sassy connection, and then she was ready to run away with him even after he’d told her that he can offer her nothing but DARKNESS AND ISOLATION, his heart burst with love for her, I mean, she loves him so much that she is willing to leave all this good promising life to go off to some DARK AND ISOLATED future just to get some love, he realy understood that and believed she was his kindered spirit. When she ended up choosing power over love it was so tragic, I really almost cried
lets explore this some more. If Cora had not ripped out her own heart, she and Rumplestiltskin might have gone on together for some time, and she might have given birht to Regina. However, as time went by, Cora would have noticed that although the Dark One had power, he was also a coward who was in search of his son, and how he was not content with merely having Regina dn that he was obsessed with bringing a curse to their land. Rumplestiltskin would then attempt to hide this fact from Cora and tell that this land was better and that she would have immense power, but then Cora would have left him just as Milah had, and take Regina with her, thus causing the old enmity between the Dark One and the Queen that we know and love. So in the long run, Regina bineg mad at both her mother and Rumplestiltskin would still have forced her mother through the looking glass to Wonderland and nothing would have changed. In fact, in this scenario, perhaps Rumplestiltskin would never have met Belle and he would definitely be worse off. In conclusion, Cora would have eventually become Milah. Belle would have never turned into Milah.
However this thread brings up a moment to me from Skin Deep. I always go back to the “empty heart and chipped cup” scene, and I wish Rumple had expanded on his statement “My power means more to me than you,” i wish he had said “I need my magic in order to find my son in another land”. but he is too much of a coward to give everything away and make himself vulnerable.
Magic always comes with a price, so I pay with visa.
@DB I got it now 😛
So I guess I really am one of the only few who believe that DarkHeart had genuine true feelings for eachother (even if it was negative at first) that was true and real and only ended when Cora decided to pursue a life of being queen rather than Rump. I respect that 😛 *alone on my little ship*
I agree with a lot of what has been said here, but see a lot of other things differently. I think Cora truly loved Rumpel… I think if she had decided to leave her heart inside, she would have ran off with him and who knows. She would have had his child and like she told Regina, that would have been enough :3 I think if putting her heart back inside hadn’t killed her, I think Cora could have been a worthy addition to a love triangle with RumBelle (which would be WAY more interesting than this wishy-washy Swan/Hook/Bae stuff >>) and that to see a GOOD Cora trying to prove to herself, Rumpel, and all others that she could be a hero too would have been a great story line. I am NOT saying that I want Rump to end up with Cora as a OTP. Im just saying I could understand and see why he would want to be with her.
Oh em gee, the watcher, I wasn’t being serious abiut those fireballs, I just immitated the WWW in the oz movie who asked scarecraw if he wants to play ball… Your avatar reminded me of that, that’s all
Lol, I know that, I was using fireballs figuratively. I know how bad talking about certain ships can make the chat very tense, so instead of bringing it up there, I just made a thread for it 🙂
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