Rumpel and Regina

[hannah97]

@KalliopeKisees wrote:

Unwilling to let my theory that the QOH is Regina’s sister, Cora’s first born go, this new Cora and George Theory plays into what I was thinking. If George and Cora were married, perhaps Cora did not out maneuver Gold and had to give up her first born. In turn, George cast her out of the Kingdom. It still makes NO sense to me why the QOH would say that Regina is “no Queen.” If the QOH was the first born, and her father was actually a king, that would make her a true Queen. Also, the miller’s daughter married a king. I don’t think Henry is a king. That relationship doesn’t seem in sync with the original tale.

Thoughts?

Ooh! I really like that theory a lot! Although I’m still hoping that Cora is the QoH….. but if she isn’t, then I definitely hope that you’re right about this.

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@Hannah97 wrote:

If Rumple turns out to be Regina’s dad…. I would be really creeped out. Plus it would mean Baelfire was her brother. And if Baelfire is Henry’s dad, then that would make her his aunt. And if Baelfire and Emma are going to end up together, Regina would be her sister-in-law, plus her step-grandmother. Wait, I just realized that Henry is Emma’s step-uncle…. This is very complicated…..

Even without involving Rumple, Henry is the step-brother of Snow White since Regina is the step-mother of Snow and the adoptive mother of Henry. But Henry is also the grandson of Snow, which means as grandson of his step-sister, Henry is his own great uncle! Kind of like the old song, I’m My Own Grandpa at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0s5Kn9QXtU

[anne_anli]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

I couldn’t help but think that Rumpel had paternal feeling for Regina, like he was her dad. I’m not saying he’s her biological dad, per se, but like her adopted father.

I felt the same way. He was creeping me out with all of that and definitely gave me the dad vibe. Than I realized that she probably was supposed to be his like you said in your theory above.

[sedorna]

Did I miss it, or did I miss the scene where Rumplestiltskin told younger Regina that all magic comes with a price? He seemed to be encouraging her without his usual warning.

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[hannah97]

@Sedorna wrote:

Did I miss it, or did I miss the scene where Rumplestiltskin told younger Regina that all magic comes with a price? He seemed to be encouraging her without his usual warning.

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Yeah that was bothering me too. How could Regina not tell that he was being overly pushy about the whole magic thing? Add that to his insanely high creepiness level, she should have known to stay away from him! What was she even thinking?

[saimejoxxers]

Hannah: Wow. xD You put a lot of thought into this proposed family tree. xD Or family tumbleweed, as Faux Pax mentioned. haha. If you’ve never heard the old song “I’m my own grandpa”, I suggest you look it up, because you and the song writers apparently both have very good minds for complicated familial relationships. xD

Faux Pax: I did notice that Gold looked different! Is there any evidence of him being not-as-golden earlier chronologically? I just assumed he looked different because it’s earlier on… 20 years before most of the Snow White/Prince Charming/etc. things are going on. I know his voice changed a lot from when he was hanging out with Bae still, but I didn’t see if his face was any different in appearance. Has anyone else been keeping tabs on that?

Also, with Rumple’s attitude towards Regina– I kind of got the feeling that he kind of considered her as his rightful belonging. Like, he had a deal with Cora, and maybe got swindled or beaten out of it, but he always kind of still felt like he deserved to have Regina. So now that they’re reunited, everything was back the way he planned. I didn’t get so much paternal as maybe possessive? Anyone else get this vibe?

[justonce]

Some thoughts regarding the relationship among Regina, Rumple, and Cora:
Based on the commentary in the official podcast, it seems certain that Cora is the miller’s daughter. In the traditional Rumplestiltskin story, the miller’s daughter promises her child to Rumple for the final task that results in her becoming queen. Once the child is born, she has regret and is given one last chance to win back her daughter if she can guess his name. He is furious when she is able to guess it, and he loses the child he thought was his. In the story, the miller’s daughter has a few days in which to guess and doesn’t do so until the end. During this time, it’s entirely possible that Rumple actually took physical possession of baby Regina, only to be forced to return her. This is, I think, why Rumple says that they are back where they belong – together (and why he says he held her). He had probably always felt cheated in the deal and that the child was rightfully his. We have seen, with Cinderella, how incensed Rumple gets when a child he is promised does not come into his custody. Of course, this raises two issues. The first is that I think it makes it a near certainty that Henry Sr is not Regina’s true father. But the second thing I think is that it means Cora was once a queen herself (the miller’s daughter marries a king, after all). This is getting long-winded but stay with me. I think that as a result of what he sees as her deception, Rumple may have caused Cora to lose her newly acquired royalty in some way. When she tells Regina how to hold on to power after the death of the king, she may be speaking from her own experience (did she make the people hate her? did she count on the king’s guard instead of hiring her own? who knows). After helping cause the loss of her royal status, Rumple could be sure that Cora would do everything in her power to secure a better future for her daughter. This would include controlling her daughter with magic, against her wishes. This would fill Regina with the rage and hatred Rumple needed for the person who would implement the curse. All he would have to do is show up at the right moment with a solution to Regina’s problem with her mother.
So in a way, Rumple may have been pulling the strings with many of the situations that family found itself in – all the way back to Regina’s birth. Rumple did say that their history goes way back in the past, and into the future.
As for why he wanted Regina? I think he wanted an apprentice. Someone powerful who he could instruct in magic and who would take a liking to it. He already knew that to be involved in his kind of magic was a curse, so he wouldn’t wish it on his own flesh and blood (the theory that he is Regina’s father is way, way farfetched in my opinion).

[hmverhagen]

Personally, I think that Rumple learned Regina’s name when she was a baby, and that he therefore saw that she would become the Evil Queen. That is why he was so persuasive. One day, she did do something for him: she used his curse.

This episode did cause me to question who Regina’s father is, however. Henry said that the magic man in Cora’s life was in the picture before he was…meaning that Regina might have already been born before Henry married Cora, or that Henry was unaware that Rumple held his daughter. If the latter is true, then Henry knew Cora had magic when he decided to be wed to Cora.

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