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idk if this was discussed… But is it possible the witch was responsible for,say, summoning Rumpel at that very last moment? She could have been watching them that whole time and then used magic to magic him away and we all just think he is dead because it does look pretty death-ish >>
[adrotate group="5"]"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICidk if this was discussed… But is it possible the witch was responsible for,say, summoning Rumpel at that very last moment? She could have been watching them that whole time and then used magic to magic him away and we all just think he is dead because it does look pretty death-ish >>
It’s not impossible. But the big bright light seems to indicate that something much more than a summoning happened (which is usually colored smoke)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I wanna know what caused them to disappear. Zoso’s body didn’t disappear when he was stabbed. Typically when someone dies it’s only their soul that disappears, (and if we’re going with the Hades thing, which has potential considering all the other Greek mythology they’ve had this season, it’s the soul that goes to the Underworld, which is ruled by Hades), so why did both of their actual bodies go *POOF*?
There are some sort of shenanigans going on with someone, or something, somewhere.
I wanna know what caused them to disappear. Zoso’s body didn’t disappear when he was stabbed. Typically when someone dies it’s only their soul that disappears, (and if we’re going with the Hades thing, which has potential considering all the other Greek mythology they’ve had this season, it’s the soul that goes to the Underworld, which is ruled by Hades), so why did both of their actual bodies go *POOF*? There are some sort of shenanigans going on with someone, or something, somewhere.
Exactly. That’s why I think he was intercepted and not dead. Hmmm what if its a plot twist, and this is all just some video game Henry is playing >> Rumpel lost one life when he became the dark one, another when Hook stabbed him and snow used the candle, an he lost his their life when he sacrificed himself. Now its game over. *plays super Mario tune*
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICI wanna know what caused them to disappear. Zoso’s body didn’t disappear when he was stabbed. Typically when someone dies it’s only their soul that disappears, (and if we’re going with the Hades thing, which has potential considering all the other Greek mythology they’ve had this season, it’s the soul that goes to the Underworld, which is ruled by Hades), so why did both of their actual bodies go *POOF*? There are some sort of shenanigans going on with someone, or something, somewhere.
That’s true. But this was also a very unique situation, right? Rumple stabbed Zoso and the DO power transferred. This time, the DO stabbed someone in sacrificing his life. The big glowy light suggest to me not only redemption but also maybe teleportation. I don’t know if he was “called away” so much as these were the consequences of doing what he did.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Over in the Unanswered Questions thread, there was some discussion about how the dagger killed Rumple if he didn’t technically have magic. I suggested that the cuff became inactive when Pan reverted to being Malcolm, and the dagger only had to pierce Rumple’s skin to take his powers, not necessarily stab his heart or anything. then I checked the official suammary and…
He holds him close as he plunges the dagger through his back. It goes through his body and into Rumple’s as well. Pan returns to his original form. Magic washes over father and son until both are gone. Rumplestiltskin saved them.
It doesn’t actually specify that it was a mortal wound to Rumple’s body. So now I’m wondering if he’s off somewhere, now powerless, and nursing a flesh wound?
But where would Rumpel be? He can’t teleport to another land…. So he’d have to have just teleported elsewhere in SB and then have gotten taken by the curse? I would say maybe he was imprisoned inside the dagger but we don’t know where that is either
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICI wonder what state Rumple will be in when he returns. Belle may have to make him better, who knows what he went through when he stabbed Pan and the two disappeared into a bright light.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixWhat scares me is the “no loopholes” line.
But…
I’m wondering if the wraith arc may intersect here. The Shadow was something like a wraith, and became part of Pan. We still haven’t seen HOW Phillip was saved from being wraithed. And while Rumple wasn’t wraithed exactly, it could parallel Belle & Bae finding a way to bring Rumple back.
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What scares me is the “no loopholes” line.
Ah but there’s gotta be a loophole. 😉
“Because I have a job to finish, and I have to do it, whatever it takes, no loopholes. And what needs to be done has a price, a price I’m finally willing to pay. I used the Curse to find you, Bae, to tell you I made a mistake, to make sure you had a chance at happiness, and that happiness is possible, just not with me. I accept that. I love you, Bae. And I love you Belle. You made me stronger.”
“You see, the only way for you to die, is if we both die, and now, now, I’m ready.”
Don’t forget that this whole time, Rumple has unquestioningly believed that his “undoing” translated to his actual death, but that’s just his interpretation of the prophecy, so even though he’s making those big statements about dying, that’s not necessarily what’s intended to happen.
Perhaps there was always more than one way to be released from the DO curse, and that other way was finding the courage to make that selfless act of sacrifice. It’s not something that’s easily done when you’re consumed by dark magic and have oodles of power to control everyone, (that power rush is hella addictive), so no previous DO had done it. But Rumple’s the exception, because he was the DO who had the specific people and circumstances in his life that empowered him to overcome it. So that action of sacrificing himself, and all that power, was a superhuman action, which was able to override and obliterate the dark magic, (hence the pretty glowy light). And his willingness to commit to that act meant that it wasn’t a condition of the whole process that he died, which is typically believed to be the only way a DO can lose their powers.
For now, I’m sticking with the idea that Rumple’s wound wasn’t a serious enough one that it killed him. Malcolm’s certainly was. I’m imagining the next time we see Rumple, he’s sitting beside a fresh grave, because they both got transported to the same place, but he was the only one still alive. Where that place is, I’m not sure. Perhaps it sent them back to the start, to whatever hovel Rumple was born in, and that’s where the others will find him, and maybe by the time they do, he’ll be mostly dead,(because unlike Neal, Rumple didn’t have anyone like MAP to come along and help treat him), and then Belle will nurse him back to health.
It would get them around having to bring back someone else who was supposed to be dead. With Blue it was, “What in the actual, I thought dead was dead? Oh OK, losing your shadow doesn’t makes you 100% dead, huh?” If they try to find a loophole like that with Rumple too, they might be pushing it, so it could make more sense for them to not actually have him die to begin with.
I’ll probably have completely changed my mind by this time next week, but for right now, this is my headcanon.
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