Rumple and Peter Pan

[Slurpeez]

There was a really curious exchange between Rumple and Peter Pan in 3×6. In that scene, Peter Pan had made Rumple’s favorite breakfast, eggs in a basket, just like Rumple’s father probably made for him as a boy. PP even toyed with Rumple saying, “still like the yoke runny?” That suggests not only a high level of familiarity between Rumple and PP, but also an additional level of kinship, as if they lived in the same household. We already know from 3×4 that Rumple and Peter Pan grew up together, but then at some point in childhood, Peter Pan became immortal. We also discovered from Peter Pan that if Rumple tries to kill PP, Rumple would die in the process, suggesting they may be linked by magic even (a la Harry Potter and Voldemort). How are Rumple and Peter Pan linked? Do they have some sort of magical bind? Are they actually brothers? Is Peter Pan Rumple’s father?

[RumplesGirl]

Yes. TeamBrothers. Until the show actually tells me they are not brothers (blood or adopted) I stick with this theory.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Slurpeez]

I used to think this theory was crack-tatic when RG shared it in the spoiler thread over the summer. Yet, having just watched that scene again, I found it really interesting that PP taunted Rumple with his worst fear that Neal would never be able to forgive him just as Rumple was unable to forgive his own father. PP then proceeded to prod Rumple further saying he ought to just abandon his son and grandson to return to Belle and father new children. Now, why would PP bring this up, just to get rid of Rumple from NL?  I think it goes further probably to a hidden meaning: Peter Pan is the older half-brother of Rumple. Their father abandoned Peter Pan to father Rumple with a woman who wasn’t PP’s mother. Therefore, this is revenge.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[TheGoldenKey]

I was posting about that earlier today on this thread:  https://oncepodcast.com/forums/topic/308-flashback-details/page/6/

Pan had his doll, called him Laddie when they met up in Hamelin and now cooking him his favourite breakfast.

I’m still torn between friend, brother or father.  The doll would indicate friend as it was a nod to LOST when the two wooden dolls were given to Ben Linus on his 9th birthday by his friend Annie.  She carved both dolls and painted them blue and white.

The pied cloak reminded my of Joseph and the Technicoloured Dreamcoat.  Joseph was abandoned by his brothers and sold into slavery.  Joseph was a seer who had visions in his dreams and read other’s dreams.  Note that Joseph’s father was Jacob and had his own issue with his brother Esau (Remind anyone of Jacob and MIB on LOST?)

Pan calling Rumple Laddie is something an older man would call a younger one.  Now the eggs in the basket.  Sounds so fatherly.

So many things pointing in all three directions.  Urrrgggghhh!!!!!

I just finished watching Deathly Hollows:  Part II as someone over on FB suggested the Voldermort/Potter connection.  Did Rumple hide a part of himself in Pan and use Pan as an Horcrux or vice versa?   Funny how Rumple’s FATE was to become the Dark One.

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[Slurpeez]

Pan calling Rumple Laddie is something an older man would call a younger one.  Now the eggs in the basket.  Sounds so fatherly.

I agree that Pan’s words to Rumple sound quite fatherly. I’ve heard the craskish theory that PP really is Rumple’s dad but in little-boy form, who had the years of his life reversed (as Rumple offered to do for Smee and Baelfire). Yet the reason I don’t think PP is Rumple’s actual father is because Rumple told Bae that they grew up together, which strongly implies that Rumple and PP were boys together at the same time. I’m wondering if the way that PP talks to Rumple is how an older brother might speak to a much younger brother, especially if the father is absent from the picture, and the older brother takes care of the little brother. For example, the way Liam Jones spoke to his younger brother, Killian, was very much in keeping with Liam taking on a fatherly role to young Killian after their father abandoned them. Of course, the difference between Killian’s relationship with Liam and the relationship between Rumple and his potential brother, PP, is that Killian’s brother, Liam, didn’t resent his little bro whereas PP seems to resent Rumple. Also, PP and Rumple are both touched by dark magic, so any sibling rivalry or jealousy is probably heightened by the magic.

"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy

[RumplesGirl]

Pan calling Rumple Laddie is something an older man would call a younger one. Now the eggs in the basket. Sounds so fatherly.

This is why I think PP is the elder brother who has taken on some of the father’s traits such as cruelty and abuse.

I’m wondering if the way that PP talks to Rumple is how an older brother might speak to a much younger brother, especially if the father is absent from the picture, and the older brother takes care of the little brother

Agreed

 

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[TheGoldenKey]

What does craskish mean?

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[RumplesGirl]

What does craskish mean?

Crackish (ADJ) from the noun “crack” meaning a theory that will never come true because it’s so outlandish but it’s fun to discuss.

For example

Crack theory Numero Uno of the Summer 2013: Undead Milah Mermaid.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[TheGoldenKey]

TheGoldenKey wrote: What does craskish mean?

Crackish (ADJ) from the noun “crack” meaning a theory that will never come true because it’s so outlandish but it’s fun to discuss. For example Crack theory Numero Uno of the Summer 2013: Undead Milah Mermaid.

Thanks RG. 🙂  That’s what I kinda thought it meant.

In my mind, no theory is crackish unless it’s been dispelled by writers/creators/canon.  😉   Frankie proved that and this series is all about story books, fantasy and magic, so any theory goes.  🙂  I’m liking the PapaPan theory.  Not sold on it and still leaning towards Pan being his BFF or Bro but still liking it, nevertheless.

Undead Milah Mermaid?  LOL!  That does sound like fun!   Now I’m going to have to dig around to find it and give it a read.

 

Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.

[coleslaw1017]

I’m wondering if Pan being linked to Rumple has something to do with that spring and the water.  Maybe they were brothers, and when their father left, there was a different Pan and he stole them off to Neverland.  While there Rumple was injured and drank from the spring.  Maybe this Pan then took on the price of that magic by agreeing to become the new Pan and stay in Neverland so that Rumple could leave safely.  And maybe after centuries of being a child, Pan became bitter.   Or maybe they are brothers and their father somehow got them to Neverland and he had to abandon Pan to save Rumple, and then had to run away from Rumple for the shame of it all.

And if they are so connected, has Rumple becoming the dark one prolonged Pan’s life longer than it was ever supposed to be?  I’m wondering when this connection happened, before or after Rumple became the dark one.

 

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