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I have a theory about why Rumple is so interested in taking other’s first born children and it’s not (as some have suggested) about replacing Bae.
We’ve already seen that Rumple has a bad habit of projecting his own feelings onto others. He did that with Mo and Millah, but maybe he’s been doing that all along.
In every case we’ve seen (except maybe with Henry, but he didn’t have his memories so it doesn’t really count) he’s placed the child he’s taken with a family that will love them and take care of them. I mean there is no question that George loved Prince James, even if he is a jerk to everyone else. Sure they are placed in positions where Rumple can use them later, but they are loved.
I think in his mind, those who were willing to give up their child for money or power didn’t deserve the child to begin with.
He gave up his child for magic and that’s always haunted him. And given what he’s said to August when he thought he was Bea “you’ve always been the better man…” and his inherent self loathing, it’s entirely possible that he thinks he didn’t deserve Bae.
It’s like he’s punishing the parents for being as weak as he was.
[adrotate group="5"]Think you’re up to something here. It doesn’t make sense to me, that Rumple is doing the deals about children to replace Bae – then he should keep them. But he doesn’t keep them, Rumple is more a dubious Fairy Tale Land adoption agent. Is it about wealth and riches though?
In case of Prince James / Charming it wasn’t about getting rich or to become powerful but about surviving, the parents got the farm for it, which fed the family, but wouldn’t call that riches.
In the case of Alexandra you can say so, but Cinderella didn’t get when making the deal, that it was about her first born, and it was not about riches either, she just wanted to get out of that dreary life of a servant (would call it even life of a slave). When she learned about the price, she wanted to give up the happy life with Prince Thomas and keep her child, she and her husband fought for it. Her Storybrook alter ego Ashley was told, that she was not fit to be a mother, she was seen as young single mom, barely able to make it on her own without a child even.
In case of Regina I’m not convinced that there ever was a deal between Cora and Rumple about giving away her child, giving away Regina. Actually Cora is very interested in staying around her daugther and controlling her life, forcing her to live the life she deems fit. For sure, if she did a deal about Regina, she somehow got out of it. Of course maybe there is a sister or brother to Regina, who Cora gave up so that she became some wealthy woman (not quite as rich and powerful as she maybe hoped for, but it was a start – btw have the impression Henry sr. became wealthy thanks to his wife Cora, he is someward awkward with court etiquette and noblesse). Although another possiblity coming to my mind concerning Cora and Regina: Cora isn’t her birth mother but was the one to adopt Regina. Very curious what story they are going to tell about Cora and Rumple.
Of course in Rumple’s mind it might look like these parents didn’t deserve their kids, because they were ready to give up the children to turn things to the better.( I would say they were desperate enough, but might look different in the twisted mind of Rumple).
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No matter how desperate you are, giving up your child is unacceptable. Plus these people seem never read or bargain the contracts. Ex: Cinderella-she signed the contract without reading it. She said she will give him anything. Rumple asked again: “anything?”. She said yes. Then it wasn’t really him tricking her right?
@Gigi wrote:
No matter how desperate you are, giving up your child is unacceptable. Plus these people seem never read or bargain the contracts. Ex: Cinderella-she signed the contract without reading it. She said she will give him anything. Rumple asked again: “anything?”. She said yes. Then it wasn’t really him tricking her right?
Rumple is a trickster. Did he ask her straight? Did he made clear what the bargain was? Rumple knew Cinderella was by no way thinking at that moment, that he might later ask for her first born. Right, Cinderella probably should have asked about every detail including every single word of the fineprint and insist on letting an experienced contract lawyer double-check it. Every 18-years old is already that smart and experienced in life to know that. I’m not saying what she did was right or not naive, all I’m saying is, it’s not simple black and white here, the motive to do what these parents did, wasn’t simple greed, the motives are more complex. Who are we to so easily judge them?
Rumple makes use of people’s desperation, naivety and nescience. A fair deal is something different. And does he really care about the kids? He compensates at best his own guilty feelings, telling himself, he is doing something eventually good. But actually he doesn’t care, he is an opportunist, making use of the parents and their kids and the adopting parents. He is not acting out of any empathy, he’s selfish one way or the other.
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@Faux Pax wrote:
Sure they are placed in positions where Rumple can use them later, but they are loved.
I think in his mind, those who were willing to give up their child for money or power didn’t deserve the child to begin with.
If that’s the case. Then I think it’s just an exuse that he uses too justify it too himself. If he even needs eny justification in his own mind.
I’ve been thinking, now that we might be moving in to a more Alice in Wonderland based story, that the theme of chess will be something that plays into Rumples story and his baby snaching tendencies. Maybe he moves the babies around the ‘board’ too place them in better positions, thinking many moves ahead. I wonder who his oponent is ??
Maybe the Red Queen or Queen of hearts/Cora. Because think of the episode Hat Trick, when Jefferson and Regina found father Henry in the little box. Father Henry was a chess piece, I think, the boxes had the numbers of chess pieces on them like g5, b3 and such.
And I think I recall a chess board game in Rumples shop. In the episode with Cinderella, she pushes him and he falls and hits his head on the chess board, implaying that this time he didnt win the little baby pawn or knight or whatever, this one made it home, so too speak 🙂I think this things with Rumple playing around with babies comes from the fact that, unlike with other things, he KNOWS what it’s like to be parent and so he knows the power of parental love, be it for your born or adopted child. And he USES it to his own advantage. I think he doesn’t focus on kids because of his own emotional attachment to them but because this is one of the few things that he actually understands (unlike, eg. when he struggles with the concept of courage, Belle’s love etc) and so he can manipulate people with this VERY WELL. Yes, he’s the dark one and knows magic better than anyone else but he also knows that it’s the feelings that are the real power, or weakness, and from all of the feelings in the world he only understand this one – a love to your own child – hence children snatching has become his main tool in getting what he wants from the others.
@EvilQueen wrote:
I think this things with Rumple playing around with babies comes from the fact that, unlike with other things, he KNOWS what it’s like to be parent and so he knows the power of parental love, be it for your born or adopted child. And he USES it to his own advantage. I think he doesn’t focus on kids because of his own emotional attachment to them but because this is one of the few things that he actually understands (unlike, eg. when he struggles with the concept of courage, Belle’s love etc) and so he can manipulate people with this VERY WELL. Yes, he’s the dark one and knows magic better than anyone else but he also knows that it’s the feelings that are the real power, or weakness, and from all of the feelings in the world he only understand this one – a love to your own child – hence children snatching has become his main tool in getting what he wants from the others.
Oh yes! very good point.
The most powerfull magic is love and lost love.@myril wrote:
@Gigi wrote:
No matter how desperate you are, giving up your child is unacceptable. Plus these people seem never read or bargain the contracts. Ex: Cinderella-she signed the contract without reading it. She said she will give him anything. Rumple asked again: “anything?”. She said yes. Then it wasn’t really him tricking her right?
Rumple is a trickster. Did he ask her straight? Did he made clear what the bargain was? Rumple knew Cinderella was by no way thinking at that moment, that he might later ask for her first born. Right, Cinderella probably should have asked about every detail including every single word of the fineprint and insist on letting an experienced contract lawyer double-check it. Every 18-years old is already that smart and experienced in life to know that. I’m not saying what she did was right or not naive, all I’m saying is, it’s not simple black and white here, the motive to do what these parents did, wasn’t simple greed, the motives are more complex. Who are we to so easily judge them?
Rumple makes use of people’s desperation, naivety and nescience. A fair deal is something different. And does he really care about the kids? He compensates at best his own guilty feelings, telling himself, he is doing something eventually good. But actually he doesn’t care, he is an opportunist, making use of the parents and their kids and the adopting parents. He is not acting out of any empathy, he’s selfish one way or the other.
I don’t expect her to ask about the details. She didn’t even read the freaking contract. And she agreed that she would give him anything. And that’s the way of life dear. Read before you sign your contract. You can just agree to sign the paper selling your house and then tomorrow, when they come for your house, you said you didn’t read the contract? that they tricked you?
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