Rumple had a deal with Peter Pan…???

[gypsy]

What if Rumplestiltskin made a deal with PP to have the shadow find the boy who would be his undoing?
Rumple might have thought that if this ‘boy’ was suck in Neverland, he couldn’t very well be his undoing.
Plus, he wouldn’t have to worry about it, freeing him up to be able to focus on getting the curse made and finding Bae.
Rumple obtained the seer’s visions, so, maybe he drew the picture (from his vision) of the boy (Henry) without knowing who he was, where he was or when/if he was even born yet.
Rumple seemed to be pretty private about who knew about his son and his reason for making the curse.
The irony would be that Bae was taken to NL without the Lost Ones even knowing that they had The Dark One’s son because that’s not who they were ‘hired’ to find.

[Marty McFly]

VERY interesting theory!
however, I believe that Rumple never met PP because he does the exact opposite. he tries to keep children (or rather babies) away from bad parents who would raise them to be rotten so that the shadow doesn’t convince them to leave…

[RumplesGirl]

Very interesting theory, Gypsy. *side note: you posted this theory twice, so I’m going to go ahead and delete the extra thread, ok?)

I think Rumple did make a deal with PP, but I don’t know if it’s for finding the boy who would be his undoing. I think Peter wants Henry all to himself. I think Rumple wanted safe passage in NL to get his squid ink and in return he gave Peter something. I have no idea what..but…something?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

Rumple definitely had dealings with PP of some description. Judging by his demeanour at the end of the finale, he knows exactly what they’re heading towards, and he’s not looking forward to it.

The way I’m currently thinking about the PP situation though is that he is the one with the upper hand, and I can’t really imagine him doing a big favour like this for Rumple. I’m thinking that PP used Rumple as a pawn the way Rumple used everyone else as a pawn, and all this pawn using wasn’t really for the purpose of Rumple finding his son…it was for PP to bring Henry to him.

I’m also starting to think that PP could be the “boy” that will be Rumple’s undoing, and who will also lead him to his son. Something will go down in NL that will result in Rumple losing his powers, and then PP will show them the way to get home, and then Rumple will be truly reunited with Nealfire.

(I reserve the right to completely change my mind about any and all of this over the course of the coming months, these are just my initial musings on the possibilities, of which there are many.)

[Keb]

I think if he’d drawn the picture, he would’ve connected Henry to things a lot sooner.

But I think it’s entirely possible he made a deal at some point with PP, thinking it would get him closer to Bae; it may have had the effect of keeping him out of NL though. Not sure. Yet that leaves the question of why he’d be able to go to NL now–Rumple’s deals are pretty binding, and I believe they’re as binding on him as on his victims-er, customers.

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[gypsy]

(I reserve the right to completely change my mind about any and all of this over the course of the coming months, these are just my initial musings on the possibilities, of which there are many.)

Lol! I hear that!
I’m sure theories will be picked over, flipped upside down and inside out, shot down and resurrected many times between now and September 🙂

[gypsy]

And, thanks, RumpleGirl – I didn’t realize it posted twice 🙂

[RumplesGirl]

@Gypsy wrote:

(I reserve the right to completely change my mind about any and all of this over the course of the coming months, these are just my initial musings on the possibilities, of which there are many.)

Lol! I hear that!
I’m sure theories will be picked over, flipped upside down and inside out, shot down and resurrected many times between now and September 🙂

Oh gosh. THIS. Come September I’ll probably believe that Peter is being held captive by the flying monkeys of Oz for stealing Aladdin’s lamp and selling it to Repunzal for a lock of her hair to cure Ariel of a disease brought on by Mufasa.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

@Gypsy wrote:

(I reserve the right to completely change my mind about any and all of this over the course of the coming months, these are just my initial musings on the possibilities, of which there are many.)

Lol! I hear that!
I’m sure theories will be picked over, flipped upside down and inside out, shot down and resurrected many times between now and September 🙂

Oh gosh. THIS. Come September I’ll probably believe that Peter is being held captive by the flying monkeys of Oz for stealing Aladdin’s lamp and selling it to Repunzal for a lock of her hair to cure Ariel of a disease brought on by Mufasa.

😆 😆 😆

[kfchimera]

Lol, I’m on board for any remotely plausible crack theory. It’s the fun that will get me through the next 4 months of no OUAT! That and remembering it is finally summer where I live, and I should go and enjoy it too 🙂

It is very interesting, and I like the idea that somehow Rumpel made a deal with PP to find Henry. It’s sort of a revision of the idea that the shadow was looking for Bae because Rumpel did something. I definitely think there has to be a link back to Rumpel somehow.
However, I am not sure that Rumpel provided the picture. I guess it could go either way, but I always thought Rumpel has a dawning realization that Henry is his undoing, but what he didn’t know was he was his grandson. I suppose it works if he knew the moment he had his memories back that Henry would somehow one day lead him to Bae. I’m trying to think if there’s anything inconsistent where Rumpel seemed to outright want to kill Henry before being led to Bae (that would suggest he didn’t know Henry’s face in connection with the prophecy of his undoing). There’s the ender of Season 1–but some argue that Rumpel already knew that Emma’s love would save Henry or he had forseen something along those lines enough to risk it. I think that could always be argued if Henry is in danger and Rumpel doesn’t help, so there would have to be an instance before Bae is found where Rumpel actively does something to jeopardize Henry’s life. I don’t think there is.

I don’t think Rumpel tries to keep children away from bad parents otherwise, that whole Ruth–David and George-James storyline would play much differently.

The thing is, if Rumpel did make a deal with PP to find the boy who would lead him to Bae and be his undoing, then when in the timeline might it have happened? Is Rumpel taking the seers powers after Milah’s death and Hook going to NL or not?

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