Rumple had a deal with Peter Pan…???

[Demileto]

@Gypsy wrote:

No, I don’t think Rumple would share the info that the boy in the pic was his undoing. He wouldn’t necessarily have had to divulge that info to make a deal to find him, though.

And, I don’t think The Dark One would be intimidated by a powerful advesary. He doesn’t seem like he’s afraid of very much.
I think he’d make a deal with anyone or anything if it got him what he wanted – enemy or no enemy.

I see, you’re banking on Rumple being the one to draw the picture. Still not sure about that, though. If Rumple considers Peter someone to be feared, Peter’s sure to see a potential adversary in him. Peter would want to discretly find out more about why this boy interests the Dark One so much and he’d want to keep Henry as a triumph card, not kill him as suggested by Felix.

[gypsy]

I don’t know if Rumple drew the picture, but I’m just going by – so far there are only two ppl (at that time) who knew of ‘a boy that would be the Dark One’s undoing’ 1. Rumple 2. The seer – and she’s dead.
I don’t remember them alluding to anyone one else that had the ability to see the future, so, I can’t think of anyone else who would know about the prophecy, let alone what a boy from 300 years in the future would look like.
The only other one that comes to mind would be Blue, but they never alluded to her having ‘seer’ abilities.
I didn’t get the impression that they wanted to kill Henry, that’s why I agree that Peter might want to find out why this particluar boy was so important to The Dark One.

[Demileto]

@Gypsy wrote:

I don’t know if Rumple drew the picture, but I’m just going by – so far there are only two ppl (at that time) who knew of ‘a boy that would be the Dark One’s undoing’ 1. Rumple 2. The seer – and she’s dead.
I don’t remember them alluding to anyone one else that had the ability to see the future, so, I can’t think of anyone else who would know about the prophecy, let alone what a boy from 300 years in the future would look like.
The only other one that comes to mind would be Blue, but they never alluded to her having ‘seer’ abilities.

Maybe that’ll be Tink’s function? Rumple seems to respect Peter as a dangerous adversary so much I suspect he can do more than just fly and swordfight, maybe even being a sorcerer as powerful as the Dark One. In that scenario, they’d have to give Tink another role. *shrug*

@Gypsy wrote:

I didn’t get the impression that they wanted to kill Henry, that’s why I agree that Peter might want to find out why this particluar boy was so important to The Dark One.

Well, Felix hinted at that when he said to Bae that he’ll get to live when he found out he wasn’t his future son.

[Phee]

@Demileto wrote:

@KFChimera wrote:

Someone had a theory that August was a lost boy and had met Neal in NL at some point during August’s saga, that NL was also Pleasure Island. I’m not entirely sure of that (timeline headaches) but maybe. That could explain how August had the picture of the dagger, and knew about Bae’s name, if he got them from PP. I’m still wondering how much August knew about the curse, and why he felt total separation was necessary between Bae and Emma.

That’d be me. Let’s face it, Pinocchio essentially became a Lost Boy after being taken by Stromboli and up until he meets Gepetto again inside Monstro. Also, Neverland is an island where children live a youthful life not controlled by grown ups, not unlike to the concept of Pleasure Island, and this take of Peter Pan could very well fulfill the role of both Lampwick and the Coachman. The parallels are just too solid for the show not to take this route.

I’ve never put much stock in the theories of August having been a Lost Boy at some point, but now I’m starting to consider it, given all the new stuff we’ve seen at the end of the season.

It would fit in with the theory of PP being the true, overall puppetmaster who had foreseen everything that would lead Henry to him. Pinocchio/August did play a significant role in the story, so he may have been a vital chess piece for PP, so perhaps he brought him to NL and gave him the picture of the dagger and told him to keep it on him at all times, and the day would come when he’d know what it meant.

August told Rumple in The Return that “a little fairy” told him about the dagger. Soooo, taking all of this into consideration…Tink working as an agent for PP, gave the dagger drawing to Pinocchio so he could fulfill his role in the grand scheme that would eventually bring Henry to NL?

@KFChimera wrote:

Pixie Dust might be the key–but what is that stuff in NL? The original PP fairies are created from a baby’s first laugh, but this is a darker neverland. Are they created from children’s tears or something?

Oh, morbid, I like it! They have shown us that tears can be magical through Regina and Snow. I’d been thinking that Rumple probably got that Regina tear back in her more portable days. If Rumple had been in NL as a kid, and discovered something about the magical properties of tears – because that’s why Pan keeps all the kids and makes them cry, to collect their tears for a magical purpose – then that would explain why Rumple may want a “just in case” Regina tear in his collection of magical ingredients.

@DarkOne’s#1fan wrote:

But Peter Pan seemed to be pretty well established in Neverland by the Time Hook arrived which was seemed pretty early on in Rumple’s Dark One career. So ❓

Yes, this is why I think that Pan will have the upper hand in whatever relationship he has with Rumple. Pan’s older and more powerful than Rumple IMO.

@Demileto wrote:

@Gypsy wrote:

I didn’t get the impression that they wanted to kill Henry, that’s why I agree that Peter might want to find out why this particluar boy was so important to The Dark One.

Well, Felix hinted at that when he said to Bae that he’ll get to live when he found out he wasn’t his future son.

Yep, “It’s your lucky day, boy, you get to live.”

[karinca]

I was thinking about why on earth do they have that picture of Henry?!
What if Henry was prophesied to PP or BF before Rumple was the dark one. And BF (with PP) but everything in motion to ‘create’ Henry in the 21st Century and have a plan in place to bring him back to NL. Very crazy and I’m sure there are some holes I’m missing. Any thoughts?
Now I still don’t have an idea as to why they need Henry.

[MatthewPaul]

@KarinCA wrote:

I was thinking about why on earth do they have that picture of Henry?!
What if Henry was prophesied to PP or BF before Rumple was the dark one. And BF (with PP) but everything in motion to ‘create’ Henry in the 21st Century and have a plan in place to bring him back to NL. Very crazy and I’m sure there are some holes I’m missing. Any thoughts?
Now I still don’t have an idea as to why they need Henry.

You mean Henry could have been prophesied as Peter Pan’s undoing too? That sounds likely…

[gypsy]

And BF (with PP) but everything in motion to ‘create’ Henry in the 21st Century and have a plan in place to bring him back to NL.

Why not just put a plan in motion to prevent Henry from ever being born – eliminating their own ‘undoing’ – instead of making sure he was ‘created’ in the first place?

[kfchimera]

Well if they don’t want to just eliminate Henry, but need him for some reason like a sacrifice or to use his body or blood or something on those lines (eep, more morbid ideas!), then they couldn’t prevent his creation to get what they want.

I’m still leaning toward the idea that PP has no body or form right now, except a shadow, and that is why he wants Henry. I guess we’ll see who the actor is that they cast–but if it is someone older who’s done voice work that might bolster that idea versus someone younger. If they do go with a classic looking Pan, it’s kind of tough to find an actor the right age and look who could be convincing as the big bad–unless he’s just a tool of some other force. I’m not saying they couldn’t find someone and make it work with the right dialog and directing, but it would be a bit tricky. There have been some young actors that can be convincingly menacing, though I’m not sure if they go down the possession route that Gilmore would be one of them. They can age Pan up a bit I suppose–a young looking 19 year old maybe as they did with Freya Tingley.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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@MatthewPaul wrote:

@KarinCA wrote:

I was thinking about why on earth do they have that picture of Henry?!
What if Henry was prophesied to PP or BF before Rumple was the dark one. And BF (with PP) but everything in motion to ‘create’ Henry in the 21st Century and have a plan in place to bring him back to NL. Very crazy and I’m sure there are some holes I’m missing. Any thoughts?
Now I still don’t have an idea as to why they need Henry.

You mean Henry could have been prophesied as Peter Pan’s undoing too? That sounds likely…

Yep, one of the ideas I’ve been pondering is that perhaps PP wants to be undone, and Henry is his only means to do it, so he orchestrated the whole shebang.

[kfchimera]

I had this thought in the Ariel thread, when someone said something like they wonder if she will be a romantic interest for PP. What if he wants to grow up or already was (like August) but is cursed to be a boy, separating him from his True Love? He needs to find someone prophesied to take his place in order to grow up. It could tie in to Tinkerbell or BF –the whole danger of love thing.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

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