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Okay, I don’t want Rumple to have any power.
If he has power then he’s going to be tempted to get all the powers back and I do not want another season of Rumple trying to stockpile his power out of fear or self pity or self loathing or whatever else. If he’s human, then he’s human and he needs to have an entire season of learning to be human again and making some pretty big apologizes and accepting that he can’t have it all.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Okay, I don’t want Rumple to have any power.
If he has power then he’s going to be tempted to get all the powers back and I do not want another season of Rumple trying to stockpile his power out of fear or self pity or self loathing or whatever else. If he’s human, then he’s human and he needs to have an entire season of learning to be human again and making some pretty big apologizes and accepting that he can’t have it all.
Agreed. Magic has always been his crutch, and he needs to cope with being a mortal man again with no magic. Learning to live without magic would be a clear step in this path to redemption.
Honestly, I’m not sure what to think about the great DO Vacuum debacle. On the one hand, I’m glad RC will be staying on the show, at least in some capacity – he’s one of the reasons I’ve stuck with OUAT for so long, and early Rumple was exactly the kind of morally gray character RC is so good at. On the other hand, I think the writers painted themselves into a corner with Rumple, essentially bending the character too far in one direction until the characterization kind of snapped (or maybe sprung back and hit them in the face, depending on one’s perspective). By the end of S4, the only way to “rescue” Rumple from the hole they’d dug him, short of killing him off and calling it a day, was a typical deus ex machina plot device. And so, behold, the Hat.
On the other hand, like some others here, I’d be intrigued by the possibility of Rumple’s final arc dealing with his humanity and lost immortality. From within that frame, I think redemption — or at least atonement — would be possible for the character. But that’s complicated to write, and requires character work rather than Shiny Shiny Plot, so I personally am not holding my breath that OUAT’ll go there. Rather, I suspect Rumple will be put on “ice” until further notice, when he will either be brought back briefly, or used as a plot device. Based on the fact that his heart now seems to be glowing white, A&E obviously have something in mind. Whether that’ll be an organic part of the character’s future development, or some kind of “magical ingredient” (à la Heart of the Truest Believer etc), I guess we’ll see.
My hope for Rumple’s arc in season 5 (great amount of wishful thinking coming up) is that after half a season or more of learning to deal with being human and recovering some humility, Rumple will be the one who eventually has to defeat the Dark One. This is the only way he could ever truly redeem himself.
In my ideal world, the first half of the season will be a search for Merlin, who (after something goes wrong, because something always has to go wrong) will be defeated by Evil-Emma. Merlin will die, but his light magic will go to white-hearted Rumple (the new “Merlin”).
Emma will be saved in the second half of the season by her family/friends and MerlinRumple will destroy the Dark One once and for all in an epic series-finale episode. Rumple will finally get his happy ending, if he survives the final battle.
And maybe I should just not watch season 5 and imagine this is what really happens. 😉
By the end of S4, the only way to “rescue” Rumple from the hole they’d dug him, short of killing him off and calling it a day, was a typical deus ex machina plot device. And so, behold, the Hat.
What bothers me is that if they chose to go this deux ex machina route, then why not use the duex ex machina that was already apart of not only the show’s mythos but of Disney mythos? True Love’s Kiss. Is there a reason why Belle didn’t at least try to kiss him? She knows it almost worked once before back in the EF. And even if there is a slim to none chance that it would work, there was no attempt or even the thought of an attempt. It just feels weird that the writers wouldn’t at least have Belle try. Instead they turned to this hat and had it suck Rumple’s darkness out (which begs the question why didn’t Rumple try to suck the darkness out of himself in S4A…?)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It just feels weird that the writers wouldn’t at least have Belle try. Instead they turned to this hat and had it suck Rumple’s darkness out (which begs the question why didn’t Rumple try to suck the darkness out of himself in S4A…?)
I was wondering about that too (why he didn’t use the hat to suck the darkness out of himself). My theory is that the Dark force wouldn’t let him. Instead it encouraged his desire for power, so that he did not want to part from it. He wanted to be free of the dagger yes, but also keep the power that came with the darkness. So he tried to find a way in which he could have it all.
By the way, I do totally agree that a Belle/Rumple tlk would’ve been a much better way of handling his seperation from the Dark one. This seemed… random.
Instead they turned to this hat and had it suck Rumple’s darkness out (which begs the question why didn’t Rumple try to suck the darkness out of himself in S4A…?)
Yes! Although I chuck that off to A&E’s general opportunism insofar as writing is concerned — I think they weren’t entirely sure what they’d do with the hat originally. It’s another example of OUAT’s Chekhov’s gun problem. I mean, Rumple’s all over the place with that damn hat – first he seems in shock about what the hat means in terms of it’s owner (rather than the hat itself), then he’s trying to use it to separate himself from the dagger in some roundabout way, and then he just entirely moves on from it and the hat appears to be forgotten in favor of some new harebrained plan to turn Emma dark. Which is then also more or less abandoned in favor of Isaac’s fanfic AU. Doesn’t sound like the carefully planning Rumple we all know and … well, not love exactly, but whatever it is.
What bothers me is that if they chose to go this deux ex machina route, then why not use the duex ex machina that was already apart of not only the show’s mythos but of Disney mythos? True Love’s Kiss. Is there a reason why Belle didn’t at least try to kiss him? She knows it almost worked once before back in the EF. And even if there is a slim to none chance that it would work, there was no attempt or even the thought of an attempt.
I totally agree. Actually, the logic of the TLK seems to go with a kind of “letting go” of the other person (or rather letting go of one’s own egoistic desires and hopes for that person in relation to one’s self) — at least, this is how I interpreted the TLKs in S1 (Charming and Emma were both saying goodbye at that moment). This is the generous (to the writers) reading of the lack of TLK here — that ultimately Belle isn’t quite yet ready to really let go of her own projections on Rumple (I won’t even go into Rumple’s non-readiness). Although that conversation at the end of the episode seems like it would have been perfect for the TLK deus ex machina. So… I’ve no clue. Maybe the writers are themselves feeling a bit iffy about where Rumbelle is at.
But ultimately, I think the main reason is that they needed the darkness cast out, not annulled (which TLK would do, according to their own rules of magic), so that they could then have Dark!Emma in S5. And insofar as that was the endgame, the hat gave a seemingly logical way to get there. Plus, it could malfunction, and voilà, you have darkness on the loose in Storybooke.
(which begs the question why didn’t Rumple try to suck the darkness out of himself in S4A…?)
I would assume because he didn’t want to lose his powers. He wanted to use the hat to free himself from the dagger, but he wanted to have his cake and eat it too by being able to hold onto his magic.
Rumple had all his darkness sucked out of him by the hat (yeah, that’s fun sentence). Does this make him human again?
Yes, I think Rumple is a magic-less mortal again.
Can he be revived?
Most likely, but maybe not for quite some time. Bobby Carlyle may have scaled back to part-time or simply a recurring guest star in S5.
Does this make him redeemed in your eyes?
Nope. Rumple just had Isaac write him an AU, at the cost of the heroes. That makes him still pretty much unredeemed in my eyes.
Does he still have to redeem himself?
Yes.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I have a theory on why TLK wasn’t used that some of you already know of. It’s sensitive and going around tumblr, also. It angers some Rumbellers that feel they were cheated out of their B&tB ending for the sake of another storyline. I think many of you can extrapolate what I’m getting at.
As for Rumple himself. As I’ve posted, it looks more and more like Bobby is going to be on the show only in a diminished capacity. I really don’t trust the writers to do justice to a human Rumple struggling to assimilate himself once more to mortality. Like mentioned before they don’t have the interest anymore to focus on character instead of plot. If they do wake and use him, it will only be in an advisory capacity on how to deal with DarkOne!Emma now.
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