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Notice the box Ariel is holding and that Keychain has taken, have a wheel with spokes that is reminiscent of the Frozen Wheel in Lost. The FW was at the islands core and was used to manipulate both time and space. K&H did say to pay close attention as S3 would be a lot like S4 of Lost. Last episode of Lost’s S4x13 There’s No Place Like Home, Ben Linus descends to the island’s core and moves the wheel to shift it’s location and to also escape to the outside world.
Another interesting aspect of the box is that it has the signs of The Alpha & The Omega. The beginning & the end. TIME.
That leads us back to Pan & Rumple’s last conversation over eggs (note, in Lost’s S4x03 Eggtown, John Locke serves eggs to Ben Linus, locked up in the same room where Ben had locked up John Locke’s father in the “magic box”).
Pan: You can’t see the future here. It’s impossible to see the future in a place where time stands still.
Rumple: I may not see the future here but I can make one happen.
Pan: Is that a threat?
I believe that box can the affect the core of Neverland’s Island and manipulate time and space. I also believe it’s connected to other realms and that is why we see a dome, similar to Cora’s, protecting SB. Will it change Neverland? Will it change SB? Will it open portals to other realms? I think so on all 3 accounts.
[adrotate group="5"]Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
Another interesting aspect of the box is that it has the signs of The Alpha & The Omega. The beginning & the end. TIME.
GAH! can’t believe I missed that! (reads Greek)
Ok, my theory is that something inside the box will speed up time and make PP age. This is what PP fears above everything else.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I wrote this in the other thread, I think he sent Ariel for the box and is going to use it to capture Peter’s shadow. He’ll send Emma and the guys to Dark Hollow to get the shadow and trap it in the box.
Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.
Another interesting aspect of the box is that it has the signs of The Alpha & The Omega. The beginning & the end. TIME.
GAH! can’t believe I missed that! (reads Greek)
Ok, my theory is that something inside the box will speed up time and make PP age. This is what PP fears above everything else.
Excellent theorizing GoldenKey and RumplesGirl! I am so onboard with this theory.
I also have mine own to add, which is somewhat related. Why did Rumple give his son such a strong name as Baelfire? It’s because Rumple feared turning out to be a coward like his own father. The first part of my theory is that Mr. Gold’s first name is the same name as his father, which we will learn in the flashback in 3×8 when we first see Rumple’s dad. Just as Mr. Gold gave himself a limp in SB as a painful reminder of his own cowardice, so I believe he called himself the same name as his father to remind himself what a coward he was for letting go of Baelfire. In 3×4, Peter Pan goads Rumple that Baelfire will never forgive Rumple because Rumple has still never yet forgiven his own father. This is a vicious pattern that seems to repeat.
The next part of my theory has to do with how family cycles seem to repeat themselves and yet how individuals can break those nasty habits. Now according to Western views, time is linear. Yet, according to Eastern philosophy, time is cyclical without a beginning (alpha) or omega (end). Even though an individual’s life seems to flow in one direction, the family cycles get repeated. “The sins of the fathers are visited upon sons” is especially true in the ‘Stiltskin family line. Peter Pan seems heavily interested in this fact, and he’s using it to exploit the weakness in the family line.
Rumple never wanted to leave his own son fatherless as his own father did to him, but that is precisely what he did. Baelfire said he didn’t want to do to Henry what his father had done to him since abandonment the worst imaginable fate. So what is it going to take to break the ongoing cycle? Forgiveness between the father and the son. Peter Pan probably knows this but is hoping that Neal will never forgive Rumple (as we saw in 3×4). Yet, what PP may not have counted on is that Rumple may just learn to forgive his dad, in which case his nasty habit of doing the selfish thing may come to and end and we’ll see him choose to sacrifice himself for his son and grandson.
Now back to the name Baelfire and it’s potential significance. I posted this in the 3×7 promo photo thread, but I’ll paste it here, too:
This is all a bit random, but I was thinking about a possible connection between the name “Baelfire” and the series “A Wheel of Time.” In that series, baelfire is a kind of weapon or magic. According to A Wheel of Time Wiki:
“Since before the Breaking of the World, the use of balefire has been forbidden. The White Tower forbids us even to learn it. In the War of Power, the Forsaken and the Shadowsworn themselves used it only reluctantly.”
When a target is struck with balefire, its thread in the pattern is destroyed, in an amount proportional to the power of the balefire strike. This translates to the target’s existence being completely erased, chronologically in reverse. For example, should an Aes Sedai use balefire on an attacking bandit, the bandit’s action of attacking the Aes Sedai and anything leading up to the action of the attack would be erased; this would be determined by the power of the balefire attack. The stronger the balefire, the further back in time the object in question will be burned from the pattern. This can have serious consequences on the pattern; the use of an extremely powerful blast of balefire to destroy a great number of lives at once has been shown to produce an effect referred to as a “balescream,” the sound of the Pattern itself groaning under the strain of rearranging itself around such a large gap. An interesting side effect of using balefire is that anyone that causes the “reversal” of time will still remember all the events that were undone as if they had actually happened even if the effects themselves no longer exist.
Perhaps Baelfire will help his dad defeat Peter Pan using the box that Belle holding. Will they try to change the course of time? I’m not sure exactly where I’m going with this or even if Adam and Eddy were inspired by that series to give the son of Rumple a strong name like Baelfire, but it’s very interesting nonetheless.
And then RG posted this tweet from Adam Horowitz, which was asked just an hour or so after I’d posted my own theory about the inspiration to use the name Baelfire and a nod to “The Wheel of Time” series:
Baelfire is “a good strong name” according to Rumplestiltskin and as Rumple knows, names carry huge significance. So what is the meaning of Baelfire’s name? Baelfire is Old English for bonfire. What lights the way home? The flame that lights up Baelfire’s constellation map! Also, Baelfire used a match to scare away the Shadow in 2×21 since the shadow fears light. I’m thinking we’ll see Neal, Emma and Hook use fire to fight the shadows in the Dark Hollow according to the promo for 3×7. I’m also thinking that NL is perpetually nighttime because the Shadow has grown so strong that it drowns out daylight in present-day NL. Once the Shadow is defeated, daylight will return.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I wrote this in the other thread, I think he sent Ariel for the box and is going to use it to capture Peter’s shadow. He’ll send Emma and the guys to Dark Hollow to get the shadow and trap it in the box.
Ooooooh. I like it. Does that mean Rumple rejoins the group? Because it doesn’t make sense for Tink Hook Neal and Emma (TinkerCaptainSwanFire?) to go to the Dark Hollow just to go there. But if that’s the plan it must not work because we know we haven’t seen the last of PP. And does Belle come to NL as a mermaid? (oh please say yes)
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It releases the smoke monster….oh wait wrong show.
Not really. Again, K&H said this season will be a lot like S4 or Lost. The spring on NL contains the power of NL and if one drinks from it they can never leave. In Lost, the healing springs, which healed Sayid, came from the heart of the island. The heart was dangerous as it contained high levels of electromagnetism, light and water. Jacob and his brother were told never to go follow the water into the groto/light or they would suffer a “fate worse than death”. When Jacob threw his brother in, he became Smokie (. MIB). MIB could never leave the island.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
I never saw beyond season 3 of Lost. Maybe after the box has done its thing, Henry pockets it, a hint that he may be beginning to go dark.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of Felixchrisgirl85 wrote: It releases the smoke monster….oh wait wrong show.
Not really. Again, K&H said this season will be a lot like S4 or Lost. The spring on NL contains the power of NL and if one drinks from it they can never leave. In Lost, the healing springs, which healed Sayid, came from the heart of the island. The heart was dangerous as it contained high levels of electromagnetism, light and water. Jacob and his brother were told never to go follow the water into the groto/light or they would suffer a “fate worse than death”. When Jacob threw his brother in, he became Smokie (. MIB). MIB could never leave the island.
I was kidding
I am a nerd at heart.
TheGoldenKey wrote: Another interesting aspect of the box is that it has the signs of The Alpha & The Omega. The beginning & the end. TIME.
GAH! can’t believe I missed that! (reads Greek) Ok, my theory is that something inside the box will speed up time and make PP age. This is what PP fears above everything else.
Excellent theorizing GoldenKey and RumplesGirl! I am so onboard with this theory. I also have mine own to add, which is somewhat related. Why did Rumple give his son such a strong name as Baelfire? It’s because Rumple feared turning out to be a coward like his own father. The first part of my theory is that Mr. Gold’s first name is the same name as his father, which we will learn in the flashback in 3×8 when we first see Rumple’s dad. Just as Mr. Gold gave himself a limp in SB as a painful reminder of his own cowardice, so I believe he called himself the same name as his father to remind himself what a coward he was for letting go of Baelfire. In 3×4, Peter Pan goads Rumple that Baelfire will never forgive Rumple because Rumple has still never yet forgiven his own father. This is a vicious pattern that seems to repeat. The next part of my theory has to do with how family cycles seem to repeat themselves and yet how individuals can break those nasty habits. Now according to Western views, time is linear. Yet, according to Eastern philosophy, time is cyclical without a beginning (alpha) or omega (end). Even though an individual’s life seems to flow in one direction, the family cycles get repeated. “The sins of the fathers are visited upon sons” is especially in the ‘Stiltskin family line. Peter Pan seems heavily interested in this fact, and he’s using it to exploit the weakness in the family line. Rumple never wanted to leave his own son fatherless as his own father did to him, but that is precisely what he did. Baelfire said he didn’t want to do to Henry what his father had done to him since abandonment the worst imaginable fate. So what is it going to take to break the ongoing cycle? Forgiveness between the father and the son. Peter Pan probably knows this but is hoping that Neal will never forgive Rumple (as we saw in 3×4). Yet, what PP may not have counted on is that Rumple may just learn to forgive his dad, in which case his nasty habit of doing the selfish thing may come to and end and we’ll see him choose to sacrifice himself for his son and grandson. Now back to the name Baelfire and it’s potential significance. I posted this in the 3×7 promo photo thread, but I’ll paste it here, too: This is all a bit random, but I was thinking about a possible connection between the name “Baelfire” and the series “A Wheel of Time.” In that series, baelfire is a kind of weapon or magic. According to A Wheel of Time Wiki:
“Since before the Breaking of the World, the use of balefire has been forbidden. The White Tower forbids us even to learn it. In the War of Power, the Forsaken and the Shadowsworn themselves used it only reluctantly.”
When a target is struck with balefire, its thread in the pattern is destroyed, in an amount proportional to the power of the balefire strike. This translates to the target’s existence being completely erased, chronologically in reverse. For example, should an Aes Sedai use balefire on an attacking bandit, the bandit’s action of attacking the Aes Sedai and anything leading up to the action of the attack would be erased; this would be determined by the power of the balefire attack. The stronger the balefire, the further back in time the object in question will be burned from the pattern. This can have serious consequences on the pattern; the use of an extremely powerful blast of balefire to destroy a great number of lives at once has been shown to produce an effect referred to as a “balescream,” the sound of the Pattern itself groaning under the strain of rearranging itself around such a large gap. An interesting side effect of using balefire is that anyone that causes the “reversal” of time will still remember all the events that were undone as if they had actually happened even if the effects themselves no longer exist.
Perhaps Baelfire will help his dad defeat Peter Pan using the box that Belle holding. Will they try to change the course of time? I’m not sure exactly where I’m going with this or even if Adam and Eddy were inspired by that series to give the son of Rumple a strong name like Baelfire, but it’s very interesting nonetheless. And then RG posted this tweet from Adam Horowitz, which was asked just an hour or so after I’d posted my own theory about the inspiration to use the name Baelfire and a nod to “The Wheel of Time” series:
Baelfire is “a good strong name” according to Rumplestiltskin and as Rumple knows, names carry huge significance. So what is the meaning of Baelfire’s name? Baelfire is Old English for bonfire. What lights the way home? The flame that lights up Baelfire’s constellation map! Also, Baelfire used a match to scare away the Shadow in 2×21 since the shadow fears light. I’m thinking we’ll see Neal, Emma and Hook use fire to fight the shadows in the Dark Hollow according to the promo. I’m also thinking that NL is perpetually nighttime because the Shadow has grown so strong that it drowns out daylight in present-day NL. Once the Shadow is defeated, daylight will return. I love both theories RG and Slurpeez!
Slurpeez, I completely love where you are going with the “sins of the father”. We’ve got 3 generations (possibly 4 if Colin is still alive in NL, if he’s Pan or if he’s the Shadow). Makes so much sense.
As well, I’m completely with you on the origins of Baelfire’s name and have been on board with the Wheel of Time theme resounding throughout OUAT since S1. Note again, the Frozen Wheel from Lost is in fact, a wheel of time.
Gosh it’s great to be back theorizing with the group. 🙂 So much good stuff going on here ladies. Woohoo!!!
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
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