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I feel like this season we’ll be getting Shadow 101 lessons like last year was Hearts. Apparently if you yank a shadow out of someone’s back, it kills them (a la Greg), but if you cut it off around the feet (WONDERFUL nod to Peter Pan I might add since they were always trying to reattach his shadow from his foot), then you can control it and send it off to do things for you. Very interesting indeed!
Maybe if your shadow is taken by force then you die; but if you offer up your shadow in service to Pan or carve it out yourself, then you get to live.
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"You know an ep is gonna be good when you’re already like 0________0 when you’re only one minute in.
Now that we know that someone can remove their own shadow and control it, I’m pretty convinced that the Shadow is Pan’s shadow, and he just uses his own dagger to cut it off and let it loose whenever he needs it to go and do something.
I agree, MysteryKat, this year we are learning nifty shadow tricks. I am reluctantly warming to the Rumple and Pan as brothers. Perhaps though they are spiritual brothers of a curse that does not belong to the realm they are in. I would like it if this storyline is setting up the back half of the season. So we end NL finding out that Pan is to NL as Rumple is to the EF. In both cases they are strong, powerful, evenly matched in some ways but opposite. What if Pan searched for his father just as Rumple searched for his son? Like Rumple thinks, he found him too late and it marked a shift to a loss of belief that began to eat away at magic, because hope is the strongest magic, and both lose hope.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
So we end NL finding out that Pan is to NL as Rumple is to the EF. In both cases they are strong, powerful, evenly matched in some ways but opposite. What if Pan searched for his father just as Rumple searched for his son?
Sort of along the same lines, but slightly different take…what if Pan had hoped that his father would search for him, but he didn’t. That could play into the game he’s got going with Emma now, trying to test if there are actually parents who will go to great lengths to find their children. It could also play into it if Rumple was in NL as an adult previously, and maybe Pan played a similar game with him and Bae.
Also, I’m totally on board with that idea of Pan being to NL what Rumple is to FTL. I think that each world has its ultimate, dark force, and they’re both it, for different worlds.
I agree, MysteryKat, this year we are learning nifty shadow tricks. I am reluctantly warming to the Rumple and Pan as brothers. Perhaps though they are spiritual brothers of a curse that does not belong to the realm they are in. I would like it if this storyline is setting up the back half of the season. So we end NL finding out that Pan is to NL as Rumple is to the EF. In both cases they are strong, powerful, evenly matched in some ways but opposite. What if Pan searched for his father just as Rumple searched for his son? Like Rumple thinks, he found him too late and it marked a shift to a loss of belief that began to eat away at magic, because hope is the strongest magic, and both lose hope.
In the original movie, Peter Pan runs away and when he comes back and his parents have had another child and Peter thinks they forgot about him. Wouldn’t it be interesting if Rumple was the other child. Then maybe the reason Rumple’s father left was to try and bring his other son home, but was never successful.
Also thinking about it Peter Pan being evil makes perfect sense, since he feels like he was abandoned, its glossed over in more traditional stories but he would end up having some issues.
Saw this on Tumblr. I’m also glad that the video editors were being careful. 🙂
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
That’s a nice attention to detail. What’s the odds Rumple will get his shadow back and attached just so RC’s shadow doesn’t have to be edited out of every shot he’s in.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixOh that is good to know. I wold have been mad if they ignored that detail from now on.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Just hopping in for a quick note-
I don’t think Peter and Rumple are brothers. The interaction with the doll especially made me feel like that was a Rumple-only backstory, and the doll itself is just part of a mind game Peter is playing with Rumple, trying to weaken him as he did with Emma.
But RG, you asked an interesting question. Who *did* remove Peter’s shadow?
What if it was Rumple? He seemed to know just what to do with the dagger and was able to remove the shadow quickly, maybe indicating that he’s done it before? Perhaps we’ve looked at this in the wrong direction. Peter isn’t the original Dark One (as the idea has been floating around) but perhaps Rumple created Peter? Perhaps Neverland and Peter’s evil are all part of a bargain gone wrong? I’m wondering if there isn’t a scenario where Rumple made a bargain to have Peter’s shadow seek out Bae (since it could travel to our world) but perhaps Peter twisted that bargain around, thereby creating some of the animosity between them. After all if Peter was the one that caused a deal to go sour, it would explain why he was friendly and cordial and Rumple was furious. Peter lost nothing and has no reason to be mad as he “won” in a bargain against the Dark One.
I could also see this being a situation that mirrored the Hook-Bae relationship. Perhaps the young and not-evil Peter was befriended or quasi-adopted by Rumple, or at least trusted. Perhaps this is just after losing Bae, when Rumple wasn’t the hilariously evil baddie we love and know- his trickster persona having not been fully developed yet. If the two met, and Rumple trusted him, it’s possible he may have shared the story of his own upbringing with a still-human-not-yet-immortal-and-evil Peter.
Just a thought from a different angle.
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
I feel like this season we’ll be getting Shadow 101 lessons like last year was Hearts. Apparently if you yank a shadow out of someone’s back, it kills them (a la Greg), but if you cut it off around the feet (WONDERFUL nod to Peter Pan I might add since they were always trying to reattach his shadow from his foot), then you can control it and send it off to do things for you. Very interesting indeed!
Maybe if your shadow is taken by force then you die; but if you offer up your shadow in service to Pan or carve it out yourself, then you get to live.
Not unlike hearts in the enchanted forest, then?
"Nothing is easier than to denounce the evildoer; nothing is more difficult than to understand him."
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