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October 18, 2015 at 11:14 pm #310265AmdillaeParticipant
So the sands of Avalon give the appearance of mending that which is broken. So far one small vial of it has managed:
To restore the entire kingdom of Camelot into what we assume has to be the former glory before it became the broken kingdom (repairing the kingdom itself)
Guinevers’s love and faith in Arthur whilst suppressing her love of Lancelot (repairing Arthur’s broken marriage)
Wipe the Charmings’ memories of Arthur’s betrayal and mad quest (repairing their trust in Camelot’s rulers)
And there us still sand left. The second two of these seem to be rather subjective things to be repaired so does the sand have an ability to manipulate repairs based on the perspective of the user and how exactly problematic is it that the perspective of someone under the influence of the sand to manipulate someone else? Theoretically with the Charmings being true loves should them kissing override a whole lot of negative impact magics like this sand? Since it only creates a semblance of being repaired how easy would it be for someone like Regina to bypass/reverse it if she becomes aware of it? This sand is raising so many questions that I am unfortunately assuming we will never see answered.
PS I wrote all of this before listening to the initial reactions and I think Jeremy and Daniel covered most of the same ground but still could do with some further discussion
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October 19, 2015 at 6:46 am #310294Heart of DarknessParticipantFrom Wikipedia:
“Avalon is a legendary island featured in the Arthurian legend. It first appears in Geoffrey of Monmouth’s 1136 pseudohistorical account Historia Regum Britanniae (“The History of the Kings of Britain”) as the place where King Arthur’s sword Excalibur was forged and later where Arthur was taken to recover from his wounds after the Battle of Camlann. Avalon was associated from an early date with mystical practices and people such as Morgan le Fay.”
October 19, 2015 at 7:04 am #310296onceaholicParticipantOh that infinite bottle of sand.
I wonder if there is enough to sprinkle over the tree to get Merlin out of it, at least temporarily (seeing as this dust only gives the illusion of broken things being fixed?).
Or would that be too easy?
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October 19, 2015 at 8:55 am #310300RumplesGirlKeymasterThe bottle of sand is one of the shows worst plot devices. I dunno. I think the writers just wanted to name drop Avalon because it’s so heavily associated with Arthurian mythology but instead of actually doing anything with the isle, they just came up with a random sandy thing.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 19, 2015 at 9:26 am #310311Sci-Fi GirlParticipantIs the sand still in effect now in storybrook? Because Guinevere is not suddenly rebelling, but memory wiped Snowing are still acting like themselves. I think.
Are those two different because the sand was first used on snowing during the time that was erased, so the memory wipe has reversed it, whereas Guinevere has been affected for a long time and so erasing the last few weeks didn’t change anything? Or did TLK fix Snowing?
Or are they still under the influence and we didn’t notice? They trust Arthur?
So confusing.
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October 19, 2015 at 9:37 am #310313RumplesGirlKeymasterIs the sand still in effect now in storybrook? Because Guinevere is not suddenly rebelling, but memory wiped Snowing are still acting like themselves. I think.
I think it’s in effect still. Guinevere is still under control and Snowing are trusting of Arthur but they don’t remember that they trusted him in the past so they are learning to trust him all over again but without realizing that their trust is actually because of magical sand.
Or…something like that.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 19, 2015 at 11:34 am #310319RumplesGirlKeymasterOh…is Arthur going to use the Sands on SB to make it the new Camelot?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"October 19, 2015 at 12:10 pm #310322SlurpeezParticipantThe Sands of Avalon being used to transform Camelot and brainwash Gwen is about as convoluted and ridiculous as the rock trolls being used in 4a to erase an entire kingdom’s memory of Ingrid and Helga.
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October 19, 2015 at 12:47 pm #310324Jiminy’s JournalParticipantMaybe the sand is affecting Guinevere, but not Snowing (since the six weeks were erased)?
October 19, 2015 at 2:51 pm #310329MatthewPaulModeratorOh…is Arthur going to use the Sands on SB to make it the new Camelot?
Not sure if that would work. Based on what we saw and what we were told, the sand only repairs what was used to be there in the first place. Arthur was able to make Camelot rise from the ruins because that’s where its ruins were located. Camelot never existed in Storybrooke at all.
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