Satisfied with the Regina/Snow backstory?

[LisaFromOH]

@slurpeez108 wrote:

Recall how when Snow White drank a potion to forget her true love, her heart became slightly darkened. It also made SW vengeful and desirous to kill Regina (until Prince Charming saved SW from that dark fate). I think that is a pretty good hint that Regina will be driven to kill her mother, Cora, and why she tried poisoned an apple to kill Snow White.

That is an excellent point. I never would have made that connection between Snow’s behavior when she’d forgotten Charming and Regina’s turning towards evil. Snow was saved from becoming irrevocably evil by her true love. Regina wasn’t able to be saved since her true love had been murdered. 🙁

[fairycutie86]

@weedith wrote:

So now we know why Regina hates Snow. I’m just wondering if people were satisfied with the explanation. I don’t want to be a nay-sayer, but I guess I was just expecting something a little more dramatic that would lead someone to want to curse

I think I was semi-satisfied. I can understand if people were disappointed, though. All season we’ve been given this whole, “I hate Snow White. She destroyed my happiness.” That certainly sounds like something heavy. And then all it is is that Snow was just being a sweet little girl and told Cora everything? And then Regina has such a huge vendetta against that? If anything, Regina should be more p****** at her mother than poor little Snow. And for Regina’s destroyed happiness to be such a big deal, I feel like we didn’t get enough of Daniel to really form an attachment with him and later sympathize with Regina. Yeah, I liked what we saw of Daniel, but I don’t know…I think I needed more. Every aspect of the episode went down as I had been seeing it for months. I wasn’t shocked when Cora ripped out his heart.

Okay, I know that sounds like a lot of complaining, but overall I still loved the episode and I can understand anyone who feels like the episode didn’t do Regina’s ultimate backstory justice.

I think I’m more looking forward to the events that will play down after this episode: what does Regina plan to do to Cora as vengeance? Will this all lead to Regina getting magic? This episode certainly leads to some good material in the future.

[obisgirl]

@Faithful Reader wrote:

The real draw here was the guest stars. One of the strengths of this show is getting great guest stars, especially when we might not see any of the actors from the flashback again. They carried their weight well and delivered.

In particular, Bailee Madison did a great job as the younger version of Snow White. Child actors are very hit or miss and she hit all the marks and stood her ground with some very accomplished actors. It’s unlikely that we’ll see her again on this show, but I look forward to seeing her on other projects.

I totally agree. She was amazing as little Snow.

@Sam993 wrote:

It was lovely. Most people would figure out just by watching the past episodes what happened between Snow and Regina, but I was satisfied and learned one new detail. That Snow was misguided and only wanted to help. That’s why she revealed the secret.

Exactly. There was nothing malicious behind Snow telling Cora about Daniel. She only wanted to help. It was Cora who was doing the manipulating and Regina, knowing how her mother works, should have realized that little Snow was innocent. I mean, god, Regina saw her mother reach into Daniel’s chest and pull his heart out 😯

[fey]

Remember when Snow was going to kill the queen and Rumplestiltskin told James that if she did, she would become evil? Maybe that’s what happened to Regina. She killed her mother and became indiscriminately evil. The other thing I noticed that I haven’t seen anyone comment on is how Cora praised Regina at the end of the episode. Regina’s look was interesting. I couldn’t tell if that was because she’d finally gotten the praise she must have longed for from her mother or because she was appalled.

[killianhookfan]

@Fey wrote:

Remember when Snow was going to kill the queen and Rumplestiltskin told James that if she did, she would become evil? Maybe that’s what happened to Regina. She killed her mother and became indiscriminately evil. The other thing I noticed that I haven’t seen anyone comment on is how Cora praised Regina at the end of the episode. Regina’s look was interesting. I couldn’t tell if that was because she’d finally gotten the praise she must have longed for from her mother or because she was appalled.

After I watched the episode a second time I took away that when Cora said “Well played, you’re learning” after Regina talked to SW about how they were going to be a family after she married the king, she realized that she had been “played” by her mother for years herself. But she goes along with the charade for a few minutes by overplaying the good girl routine and saying she needs to get out of her dress so it won’t get dirty. Which I thought was interesting because Cora was standing there in black and Regina was in a beautiful white gown which she obviously wasn’t going to get dirty anywhere in the castle. I think that was meant to be symbolic – she was saying in an overly sweetly voice that she needed to get out of the beautiful white dress because she doesn’t belong in it anymore. And then when Cora told her she was proud of her, I do think there was a brief moment when she was glad to hear those words from her mother but then I think she quickly realized that her mother is a head case – how do you rip the heart out of the man your daughter loves one minute and then tell her you are proud of her the next. When she turns around and has the EQs voice for the first time – I think she has decided to no longer care what her mother, or anyone else thinks about her, she has decided to look out for only herself. I think something that probably also occurred to Regina is that SW said that she told Cora about Daniel because she didn’t want Regina to lose her mother. I think in those few short scenes Regina realized that she never really had a mother, in the traditional sense, in the first place. So there wasn’t anything for her to lose anyway.

[charming]

First of all it is a good explanation. Everyone was expecting a huge dramatic story but the whole story is complex as it is so why make it more complex. Sometimes we hate for the simplest and most petty reasons, that is hers. I agree that this is just part of the story except this is the middle of the story and not the beginning. We only got a glimpse of the Cora and Regina relationship; we do not know their history and that would be the beginning of the story along with her backstory. Next, by the end of the Stableboy episode she is preparing for the wedding of King Leopold. The next time we see these characters minus Cora is the Poisonous Tree and Snow seems to be close to 20 years old. There is close to a 10 year gap where Regina and Snow’s relationship can get even worse. At the end of Stableboy it appeared as if she was mad at Snow but not the straw that breaks the camel’s back. There is more to this feud than we know.

[purrlisse]

Do you really blame Regina?

If you think about it, out of ALL of the fairytale land, she’s the only one that cannot have a chance for a happy ending. If you consider all the characters, snow white, cinderella, even rumpelstiltskin has a chance for a happily ever after, but not regina… no wonder she takes it out on all of them…

wait a sec… what about red riding hood? she also kind of killed her own love… that should honestly make her more bitter than Regina… plus she could have pinned it on her granny since she was the one who didn’t inform her… poor red!

[rapunzel]

I’ll be honest I had no idea what Regina had against Snow in FL. I may just be dense but I was just so stuck on the fact that the Evil Queen in Snow White hates her because she’s the “fairest of them all”. Obviously in this show if you get stuck on original fairy tales, you are not going to guess anything. Brilliant.

So clearly this backstory was important so that the audience could see that Regina’s anger was human – it wasn’t just jealousy about beauty. It was anger for her indirectly taking away her love as well as getting the Happily Ever After that Regina always wanted, where she could be with her prince.

In my opinion, though, i do not think that Regina killed her mother. As we’ve seen in this episode, even when Regina turns completely cold, she is human. Her anger towards Snow is based in human anger, not just out of evilness (though she is 2000% evil). I think it is that innate human side that prevents Regina from actually killing her mother. She couldcertainly find a way of banishing her (hint: queen of hearts??) and I do not doubt that the powers she gains were taken from her mother (stripping her of what makes her “powerful,” for lack of a better word). She wants her mother to suffer the way she did. But i think it is something about this untouchable, innate bond the two share that prevents Regina from killing her.

This episode was absolutely vital for the series as a whole, and it was about time they showed it. I’m also so happy that they made it so you could understand why Regina hates Snow (misdirected and clearly illogical) but it doesn’t taint our feelings of how pure and wonderful snow is. Even as a child she meant no harm. In fact she loved Regina and actively wanted to help. Job Well Done. And lets see more of Regina’s mother, thanks.

[charming]

Rapunzel, I agree. It is about time. Cora staying alive is more punishment than dying. A lot of questions are answered with this episode but it also raises some more. Does Cora have any association with Rumple? Is there more to the Regina / Snow feud? Is she the Queen of Hearts? While on subject of the QoH…..is Wonderland a prison? It certainly seems that way to me. Finally is Henry, Regina’s father…is he a weakling and how does he fit into this puzzle??? We see him here and at the end before the curse was enacted and wonderland but do not know how he fits in other than being Regina’s servent/ father/ advisor. There will be a lot more to this backstory to come I believe but currently satified the direction it is going.

[killianhookfan]

I will say, we all weeped over how sweet and sentimental it was that Gold brought his chipped cup with him to SB from FTL as a reminder of his love for Belle You’ve got people posting written instructions on tumblr on how “You Too Can Create Your Own Chipped Cup”, there are now bracelets floating around on the internet with little teacups on them, and like a gazillion images of Gold looking down at the teacup protected in his hand from his SB jail cell all over the internet. After everything that happened to Rumple we understand his need for his keepsake and we are all so hopeful for a reunion for Gold and Belle.

Now on to Regina – the poor woman watched her mother rip her fiance’s heart out and kill him right before her eyes. She is desparately trying to kiss the poor fellow back to life and her mother picks her up, wipes her tears away and tells her to pull herself together because she’s about to become the Queen (yay, how exciting – smiles all around 😀 😀 ). Then Regina is standing all done up in her beautiful wedding gown looking like she’s had one too many valiums slipped into her afternoon tea when she discovers not only that the adorable little child who promised not to let her very understanding mother know about her secret love is the reason her mother killed her man, but then she figures out that the reason she even met the kid in the first place is because of her mother’s magic. Then in SB we see that Regina has also brought a keepsake of her love – the little saddle ring. . . and not only do we not even seem to care but we all decide that we still hate Regina because she nuts for hating a kid.

I think she’s nuts for hating a kid. But I just realized I need a 12 step program. My name is rumplegoldfan and I feel sorry for Regina.

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