ScarlettBeauty

[RumplesGirl]

Regina’s father Henry Sr was a Prince, though they were living off on an estate when we saw her as young Regina and very far down the line of succession.

But Cora, Pan, Rumple, Hook to some extent, and Zelena…yes

[Keb]

David came from poverty (as did his twin) but was made a prince (because it was useful to parties like Rumple to do so). He and Princess Snow White are very happy together (when people aren’t trying to kill them/their children).

Cinderella was also impoverished and became a princess.

And Ana…well…dangit, they need to explain this, but anyway, she became a queen in both pursuit of evil and good.

I think we’ve seen plenty of people come from poverty into fortune, some evil, some good. And we’ve seen plenty of royals go both ways.

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[nevermore]

Ha, good point on the royals! Especially the “older” generation (King George as prime example). But Cindarella and Charming share the trait that, as you said, they ‘came’ into fortune — they certainly weren’t seeking it. By contrast, Cora, Rumple, Zelena, (maybe) Hook, Pan etc were actively seeking power/knowledge/fortune one way or another (and sure, for different reasons).

Then there’s Neal/Baelfire, who doesn’t get Emma/ or any other kind of happy ending either, though by all accounts he’s a decent guy. So if you think about who gets killed off or cancelled out on the show of the well-liked characters (Neal, the Huntsman, and to some extent August) — all are conspicuously non-royals. I don’t know. I’m probably reading into it, but there is something a little uncomfortable about all of this. And now with the QoD we have Cruella who was married to a financial crook (so, again, this theme of illegitimate fortune), although Ursula and Mal aren’t clear yet. Honestly, I’ll be pretty annoyed if we get the flashback to their “humble beginnings.”

I’d love to be wrong, simply because that would give some hope to what started off as two really interesting, complex pairings, which are apparently being torpedoed (ahem, pardon the terrible nautical pun) into non-existence. If that’s happening because of some kind of unacknowledged bias on the writers’ part, then for shame. Grrr.

[RumplesGirl]

So if you think about who gets killed off or cancelled out on the show of the well-liked characters (Neal, the Huntsman, and to some extent August) — all are conspicuously non-royals

Well, without really getting into the why (cause I gotta maintain forum peace in all things) there were extenuating circumstances for all those that did not have to do with their status back in the EF as poor or the disenfranchised.

If that’s happening because of some kind of unacknowledged bias on the writers’ part, then for shame. Grrr.

im the first to criticize the writers for any and all things, but I think in this case it’s not true. It’s more like they think this is a way to create watchable drama (not realizing we’re all exhausted of triangles and angsty love stories that reek morally and ethically) and they can’t get Emma Rigby back BUT they really wanted to use Michael Soccha since he was the WL fan favorite. It’s less about a bias on the writers part and more to do with what the writers think creates conversation and drama on TV

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[nevermore]

RG,  I’m totally willing to concede that the whole thing with the haves and the have nots isn’t purposeful — could be an unfortunate side-effect of the original fairy tales, which tend to make that division, and could be a coincidence, having to do with whom the show is able to retain.

Either way, I’m with you on the love triangle drama (I don’t know, maybe they could change shapes at least. A love parallelogram, anyone?). If that’s all they’re up to, in lieu of exploring the relationships that are already there and are plenty angsty on their own, then it just seems a bit lazy to me. Oh well.

[RumplesGirl]

Either way, I’m with you on the love triangle drama (I don’t know, maybe they could change shapes at least. A love parallelogram, anyone?).

Honestly I’m just waiting for the massive orgy to ensue, while Snow and Charming stand off to one side and judge everyone.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[nevermore]

Honestly I’m just waiting for the massive orgy to ensue, while Snow and Charming stand off to one side and judge everyone.

Teeeheehee! That should give a boost to the ratings.

[MatthewPaul]

It’s less about a bias on the writers part and more to do with what the writers think creates conversation and drama on TV

I think this goes back to how different it is from their perspective as writers compared to our perspective as viewers. They the writers excitingly plan these stories out and know which direction they’re going with. They don’t have to wait to see what happens, when they already know the payoff. However, we as viewers, do have to wait, and we grow frustrated the longer stories like these are dragged out. We can theorize what will happen, but we still have to wait and see whether our predictions turn out to be correct or not. Even if we are fully confident in our theories, there’s still that feeling of “just get it over with already.”

Of course what makes ScarletBeauty so frustrating is that it’s not just interfering with one relationship, but two. There’s the Rumbelle front with Belle and Rumple, and then there’s the ScarletQueen front with Will and Anastasia. That’s two couples broken up in favor of this ship happening. That makes for double the angst. That’s where the writers see the true potential in this latest development.

[RumplesGirl]

hey don’t have to wait to see what happens, when they already know the payoff. However, we as viewers, do have to wait, and we grow frustrated the longer stories like these are dragged out. We can theorize what will happen, but we still have to wait and see whether our predictions turn out to be correct or not. Even if we are fully confident in our theories, there’s still that feeling of “just get it over with already.”

That’s true but there is also a certain level of dissatisfaction when the stories do play out and then they go and repeat those stories and it does start to feel like it’s the same thing over and over (because it is)

That makes for double the angst. That’s where the writers see the true potential in this latest development.

But you would think that on some level the writers have realized that none of these love triangles have been received positively from the fandom.

CSF broke the entire fandom. Utterly.

Marian/OQ tore it even further apart

And now this…? And most people are just rolling their eyes and exhausted.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[nevermore]

 

Of course what makes ScarletBeauty so frustrating is that it’s not just interfering with one relationship, but two. There’s the Rumbelle front with Belle and Rumple, and then there’s the ScarletQueen front with Will and Anastasia. That’s two couples broken up in favor of this ship happening. That makes for double the angst. That’s where the writers see the true potential in this latest development

Sure, that’s definitely part of it. And on that note, I think what frustrates me personally is that this started off as very much a character-driven show, but at some point switched to plot-driven. As a result, characters stopped growing organically (Rumple is probably the most obvious example), and instead became stand-ins for plot twists that, honestly, sometimes feel like they’re only there for the *gasp* factor – which, as RG is pointing out, has lost much of its shock value by its 3rd or 4th iteration.

 

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