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Emma claims to put ”a” curse on those who left for Camelot and came back, but is it really the Dark Curse?
(Originally I thought it was because we are so used to the repeated use of it, the memory wipe except for one or two of the characters that had just come back from Camelot the likelyhood of Lancelot’s heart being used to cast it etc).
Whenever the Dark Curse was enacted, SB was built. Whenver the Dark Curse was reversed, it was wiped off the map. This time, the gang landed back in our world with SB already there. The only thing that moved was Granny’s Diner (and some of the characters were dumped here and there in SB as well).
Also, with the Dark Curse, crossing the border meant a memory wipe of some kind. Not this time. This time you turn into a tree, indicating a very different kind of spell.
Could it be just a portal (cue unknown plot device!), and our hero’s memories were wiped by some other means before being swept up and placed back in SB? I also wonder if the dream-catchers hold the key to restoring their memories…I wonder if that is where Emma kept them locked for safe-keeping, for good reasons or for bad.
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Also, with the Dark Curse, crossing the border meant a memory wipe of some kind. Not this time. This time you turn into a tree, indicating a very different kind of spell.
Not necessary. Losing your memory while crossing the town border only applied to after the original curse broke at the end of Season 1. During the days of the curse in Season 1, something bad would happen to you before you were even able to cross the border. When the 2nd Dark Curse happened, crossing the town border instead would get you dragged into the woods by flying monkeys. You would then get bitten, and eventually transform into a flying monkey yourself. After Zelena was defeated, Elsa created an Ice Wall that prevented anybody from exiting the town. After Ingrid was defeated, some of Ingrid’s magic remained. The remaining magic meant that crossing the border would prevent you from crossing back over, but you would retain your memory. So it’s clear to see that Storybrooke always creates some sort of consequence for crossing the town line, possibly as a built-in measure to keep the magic and mystery of Storybrooke contained to the town itself.
Also, with the Dark Curse, crossing the border meant a memory wipe of some kind. Not this time. This time you turn into a tree, indicating a very different kind of spell.
Not necessary. Losing your memory while crossing the town border only applied to after the curse broke in Season 2. During the days of the curse in Season 1, something bad would happen to you before you were even able to cross the border. When the 2nd Dark Curse happened, crossing the town border instead would get you dragged into the woods by flying monkeys. You would then get bitten, and eventually transform into a flying monkey yourself. After Zelena was defeated, Elsa created an Ice Wall that prevented anybody from exiting the town. After Ingrid was defeated, some of Ingrid’s magic remained. The remaining magic meant that crossing the border would prevent you from crossing back over, but you would retain your memory. So it’s clear to see that Storybrooke always creates some sort of consequence for crossing the town line, possibly as a built-in measure to keep the magic and mystery of Storybrooke contained to the town itself.
Fair enough.
How about just landing in SB rather than it being built?
The only thing I can of that would counter this is that SB was already there because only the diner was taken to FTL via the portal, and thus the DC would put back what was there, plus dump the others all over the place.
It would be nice if it wasn’t the dark curse, I do feel that we need a refreshing change and it would be a nice twist.
Still think that the dreamcatchers hold our hero’s memories, though.
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I just figured the curse was that they would not have their memories. I mean a curse is just bad juju on someone. I didn’t interpret it as the dark curse. As for why they turn into trees now, well Emma is powerful. She could have added that to the barrier spell thingy. Before this fiasco it was if you leave, you can’t come back without the scroll. Now its if you leave, you cant come back AND you turn into a tree because of Emma’s magic. It’s not a crazy thing.
Emma’s line about I built this curse without a savior is probably just that. There is no specific person meant to break the spell, no destiny or prophecy to fulfill. “I took your memories, you have no hope to get them back because I, Emma, The Savior, am the bad guy and you are not me. You have no savior this time to help you out. Dealz with it, bro!” is basically what I think she was saying but idk.
I just don’t know anymore with this show.
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Gonna copy what I said in another thread:
Emma looking relatively normal would seem to suggest that it was the Dark Curse. Shouldn’t she be in full Dark One mode otherwise? We saw her hand start turn gold after she used dark magic to heal Robin so it’s not like she just “lucked out” like she initially stated. Also, the town line thing.
I’m pretty sure Eddy & Adam said at NYCC that it was the dark curse. They said that someone’s heart was used – which is what is needed for the dark curse. However I personally don’t think it was Emma that cast it.
After 504, I really agree. I think Arthur used Guinevere to cast the curse and had her use Lance’s heart.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I agree I think Lance is dead dead this time, which I dislike for a number of reasons. While I am (weakly) holding out hope that it is not a dark curse, if I were to put money on it I would say @RG is right and the dark curse was cast with Lancelot’s heart. This is the show that did the memory wipe over and over so should I really be surprised they recycled the dark curse again?
….Although, just to play devil’s advocate with myself, didn’t A&E say they wouldn’t do time travel back in Season 3 and then they did? Maybe they are lying about this too. One can only hope I guess. We know that the apprentice was able to open doors between realms, so it seems likely Merlin could do this too… Perhaps it was a Merlin thingy that brought them back? I don’t even care if it is another magical mcguffin, after the sands of Avalon they have set a pretty low bar for my mcgfuffin/magical explanations expectations. I don’t think they could come up with anything more trite and ridiculous. /rant over.
Sorry if that got a bit negative,to clarify I do really like this season so far and love seeing JMo as Dark Swan! I just really wish they would stay away from curses for a while, but is seems extremely likely this is the story they have setup: Lance and Guin were really True loves and under the influence of Arthur Guin crushed Lance’s heart for Camelot. I think Emma played a role in this maybe she was ordered with the dagger to remove Lance’s heart and gave to Guin to crush or something. Maybe that is how everyone failed her by letting Arthur get the dagger and now she isn’t evil so much as she is jaded.
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I’m pretty sure Eddy & Adam said at NYCC that it was the dark curse. They said that someone’s heart was used – which is what is needed for the dark curse. However I personally don’t think it was Emma that cast it.
Oh I see. I never attended or saw a clip/report of this, so I am going only by what I see, or not see on the show.
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I’m pretty sure Eddy & Adam said at NYCC that it was the dark curse. They said that someone’s heart was used – which is what is needed for the dark curse. However I personally don’t think it was Emma that cast it.
After 504, I really agree. I think Arthur used Guinevere to cast the curse and had her use Lance’s heart.
This is what I thought, too -about A use G to cast the curse with L’s heart. Until I got confused over whether it was a DC in the first place.
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