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December 5, 2016 at 11:41 am #331263RumplesGirlKeymaster
Ratings are in for the winter finale, 6×10 “Wish You Were Here”
Eyeballs: 3.25 million
Demo: .9
This is a tie for our series low
[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"December 5, 2016 at 12:46 pm #331266MattParticipantRatings are in for the winter finale, 6×10 “Wish You Were Here” Eyeballs: 3.25 million Demo: .9 This is a tie for our series low
That really isn’t good. You would think that there would normally be a bump in ratings for a “finale” (has that happened historically?). Starting to wonder if the show may end this season after all.
December 5, 2016 at 1:49 pm #331273MatthewPaulModeratorThat really isn’t good. You would think that there would normally be a bump in ratings for a “finale” (has that happened historically?). Starting to wonder if the show may end this season after all.
The winter finale historically sees a drop, with Seasons 2 and 5 being the exceptions. It’s typically the Season finales that increase. I’m still thinking we’ll get a last Season. ABC may even renew it before the 2nd half premieres, like they did in the middle of Season 5.
December 5, 2016 at 1:53 pm #331274RumplesGirlKeymasterAgree with @matthewpaul. It’ll also be interesting to see if we go up for the spring premiere in March
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"December 5, 2016 at 6:05 pm #331304RainbowParticipantInteresting fact, not that counts for anything , but Secrets and lies even tho had 0.7 ratings Demo, managed to have more viewers than OUAT, at 9 they had 3.28 million and at 10 they had 3.49 million, and usually is the opposite, OUAT as always more viewers than S&L. I know the viewers don`t count , is demo that counts, but i thought was interesting share this fact.
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December 6, 2016 at 11:54 am #331358MatthewPaulModeratorFinal ratings for “Wish You Were Here”:
Total Viewers: 3.27
Demo: 0.9Also, the current Cancellation Bear still thinks OUAT is a tossup, but is leaning a bit more towards a renewal:
December 6, 2016 at 9:10 pm #331364RumplesGirlKeymasterAlso, the current Cancellation Bear still thinks OUAT is a tossup, but is leaning a bit more towards a renewal:
Which is pretty much what Matt and I have been saying for awhile now: ABC can’t cancel everything so even though it’s not pretty, there are things with a far greater chance of cancellation.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"December 7, 2016 at 12:52 pm #331668nonnieParticipantCANCEL BEAR IN A QUANDARY
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/December 7, 2016 at 10:42 pm #331738SlurpeezParticipantAlso, the current Cancellation Bear still thinks OUAT is a tossup, but is leaning a bit more towards a renewal:
Which is pretty much what Matt and I have been saying for awhile now: ABC can’t cancel everything so even though it’s not pretty, there are things with a far greater chance of cancellation. Source
I’d say it all depends on whether there are any potentially good, less expensive new shows that could replace the “family show” during the 8 PM time-slot, especially because each episode of OUAT is so darn expensive to make. A few years ago, Robert Carlyle estimated that the cost per episode was between 4 and 5 million dollars:
According to Robert, “I think each individual episode is between four and five million dollars an episode. You could make two or three movies back here [in Scotland] for that,” Robert noted. “So the production values are so high, and all the post-production and the special effect and etc, etc. It’s as big as any movie. It’s as good as any movie.” Source
Each episode of OUAT costs ABC approximately $4.5 million to produce, making it one of the most expensive shows on network television. Source It costs ABC about $99 million dollars a year to make one season of OUAT for 22 episodes and $103.5 million for 23 episodes. That is a lot of money for ABC to spend, especially for a show that is going fractional and maybe not getting enough traction for advertisers to want to spend a lot of money. A show as expensive to make as OUAT which is losing viewers in key demographics won’t attract enough advertisers to break even. The article I quoted gave a reference point: NBC made a loss on the final season of Friends, despite how popular the show was, because it paid a lot to the cast ($1 million per episode in 2002).
On a show like OUAT that has a cast with some well-known actors like Robert Carlyle and Ginny Goodwin, actors’ salaries also account for a lot of the total cost per episode. Imagine how much more OUAT would have to spend to keep those big-name actors past their five-year or six-year contracts. I bet ABC would have to spend more money than is currently being spent now just to get the actors to renew for one more season.
Moreover, A&E just said in an interview that the theme of S6b would be happy endings:
EK: I would say that the definition of happiness and happy endings is a theme we explore in the second half, so that is the uber question we are going to try and answer.
AH: That’s kind of the driving force of the second half of the season for all the characters, which is ‘What is a happy ending and is it possible?’:
If you ask me, it sounds like season six is gong to be the final season. You don’t plan to answer what everyone’s happy ending looks like unless it’s the very end of the series.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
December 7, 2016 at 11:08 pm #331740RumplesGirlKeymasterYou don’t plan to answer what everyone’s happy ending looks like unless it’s the very end of the series.
Fire insurance in case they do get cancelled they can say they gave everyone their happy endings. But, by and large, this isn’t up the writers. If ABC wants another season, A and E will find another story. They’ve said in other interviews that they aren’t writing this as if it’s the final season.
And yes, there are lots of factors. But while the ad buys are down from last year, OUAT still pulls in a fair amount of money for ABC–not to mention all the Disney merch tie ins. The fact that it hasn’t gotten syndication means that ABC/Disney needs to milk it for all its worth. There are other shows that are pulling in less money and have poorer ratings. Quantico, S and L, AoS…
There are only a few midseason shows coming in 2017–neither are the same “family friendly” (and more importantly, DISNEY friendly). Still Star Crossed seems ripe for a 9pm slot (I could actually see OUAT being a lead in) and Time After Time has a large mythology but isn’t family hour TV. With Quantico moving (and probably getting cancelled) and S and L done (probably forever) OUAT is now the stabilizing factor on Sunday. It’s low, but it’s steady–and it bounces from fractional to just above.
I would say the greater factor is the actors themselves (though I have no doubt that A and E would find a way to write this show without, say, Ginny and Bobby).
So it could be the final season, but there are a lot of good reasons why the Cancel Bear and the Grim Reaper are leaning toward renewal.
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