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October 5, 2017 at 12:21 am #342455MatthewPaulModerator
Smart. Honestly, the 18-episode seasons are a good move on the part of the writers/studios/networks. It’s not exactly revolutionary that holding an audience captive for a full 22 is difficult (OUAT has its share of filler episodes). Kinda hoping we see more of this from networks.
Obviously a big reason networks insisted on stretching their successful shows to 22 episodes for the longest time were to build up episodes for syndication. However, the TV landscape is vastly changing, including the syndication market. Not as many shows are getting syndication deals on cable these days, and instead are getting sold to streaming services such as Netflix. I agree that shorter episode orders help retain a show’s quality, as stretching to 22 episodes can make it a slog. Plus, this gives them more production time to focus on each individual episode. Another positive is that these shorter run Seasons get to avoid airing in deep Spring, where ratings are known to be particularly brutal. Daylight Savings Time is the biggest factor for this, as it results in people spending more time outside later in the day.
[adrotate group="5"]October 5, 2017 at 12:33 am #342456Bar FarerParticipantI don’t think the number of episodes affects the quality of the writing that much. Better writers would know how to use their extra episodes, even if there are filler episodes, they could be useful for characters development.
I mean, look at OUAT, yeah technically they have 22-23 episodes per season, but not really since they split it in half so there are 11-12 episodes per season and I don’t think this split has improved the quality of the writing, it even made it worse.
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October 5, 2017 at 12:52 am #342457MatthewPaulModeratorI don’t think the number of episodes affects the quality of the writing that much. Better writers would know how to use their extra episodes, even if there are filler episodes, they could be useful for characters development.
I mean, look at OUAT, yeah technically they have 22-23 episodes per season, but not really since they split it in half so there are 11-12 episodes per season and I don’t think this split has improved the quality of the writing, it even made it worse.
My argument here is that the split-Seasons didn’t change the hectic production schedule. It’s not like they were able to spend more time working on each split-Season, or had a long break in between writing them. For example, once they were done writing the Neverland arc, they immediately went on to work on the Wicked Witch arc with no room to breathe. Even though we received 3 month hiatuses from Mid-December to March, the production team didn’t.
October 5, 2017 at 8:39 am #342458Ranisha PittsParticipantThe only shows that seem to work with 18 to 22 for me were procedural, comedies, and star trek (maybe not ST:DIS)
I mean I am still trying to fight through Arrow. Its so long! Or perhaps Netflix and those Cable Series spoiled me.
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October 6, 2017 at 9:56 am #342468hjbauParticipantI think that short season shows are almost entirely filler and are usually really slow. It is like they have a beginning and an end and that’s it.
Each episode needs to be about something even in a non episodic show and that is what doesn’t work about short season shows, in my opinion. They have entire episodes of pointlessness. Though, any show has that, it just seems more ridiculous to have really boring episodes when they only have to produce ten.
October 6, 2017 at 11:48 am #342489Ranisha PittsParticipantI think that short season shows are almost entirely filler and are usually really slow. It is like they have a beginning and an end and that’s it. Each episode needs to be about something even in a non episodic show and that is what doesn’t work about short season shows, in my opinion. They have entire episodes of pointlessness. Though, any show has that, it just seems more ridiculous to have really boring episodes when they only have to produce ten.
For me, Bloodlines, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Stranger Things, Terriers were amazing and well written for cohesive season. Because of the lack of fillers, each episode added to the plot with a nice helping of character development. It doesn’t get lost in the malarkey of fillers or ship base drivel. It simply here is a good story and we are going to tell it.
But to each their own. Just tell me a good story with some complex characters and I’m good, if you get it in 8, 10, 12, 18, 20, 22. But if its going to be 20-22 it better be darn good.
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October 7, 2017 at 5:49 pm #342903MichaelBlockedKiss the show goodbye yall, I called it. 0.7 tie for series low. Absolutely awful. It will just go down from here.
Don’t sit there and say ABC is happy. They promoted this thing at 3 different events, got it tons of publicity, aired tons of promos and to TIE A SERIES LOW! Horrible.
October 7, 2017 at 6:10 pm #342943MattParticipant“Once Upon a Time” made its Friday debut with middling ratings: Its 0.7 among adults 18-49 was third in its timeslot, a tenth of a point behind “MacGyver” and “Hell’s Kitchen” and was predictably behind last season’s premiere of 1.3 on a Sunday night.
The 0.7 is roughly equivalent to a 1.0 on another night (Friday ratings are about 30 percent lower), which would be on par with “OUAT’s” average last season. Also on ABC, “Inhumans” fell a bit from its premiere, coming down two tenths to 0.7.
http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/tv-ratings-friday-oct-6-2017/
October 7, 2017 at 6:16 pm #342951MattParticipantI find the ratings stuff a bit confusing, but the same site has the season 6 finale down as getting 2.95m viewers, whereas the season 7 premiere had 3.26m – does that not mean that this episode actually performed pretty well?
October 7, 2017 at 6:26 pm #342976MichaelBlockedI find the ratings stuff a bit confusing, but the same site has the season 6 finale down as getting 2.95m viewers, whereas the season 7 premiere had 3.26m – does that not mean that this episode actually performed pretty well?
Ratings are all that matters. Total viewers is irrelevant, Tvgrimreaper says that all the time on Twitter.
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