Seriously, how did Henry get to SB???

[killianhookfan]

@hjbau wrote:

I sort of think it was a mistake in the writing too though they can fix it. I like the Blue Fairy idea. Though it seems bizarre to me that on one hand they seemed to have decided that Rumpel didn’t remember until he heard Emma’s name even though that was never explicitly stated in the show only hinted at, but still they seemed to have decided that, so it seems strange to me that they would forget that when thinking about how Rumpel found Henry. They must have some sort of story behind it.

Sometimes it feels like they are going episode by episode and not looking at the big picture.

You just totally cracked me up because I have this exact same thought during EVERY SINGLE episode of the show!!! And I think it’s weird how we all have these deep philosophical theories on everything but then I’ll think – wait a minute, I don’t think they have even thought ahead that far yet!!! Or we come up with all this dramatic back story on a character but then I think – no, they haven’t even thought to tie any of this together yet!

I agree, it was really odd when K and H suddenly announced that Gold didn’t remember anything until he heard Emma’s name. I mean, fine – if that’s what they wanted to do great, but they probably needed to actually put that information in the show because what about all those people out there who aren’t crazy obsessed like us and don’t watch all the interviews and read the internet forums?? They could be under the impression that Gold remembered all along – that’s what I thought until I saw the K and H interview.

So yeah, sometimes I do wonder – writer’s mistake . . . or me being overly obsessed with the details??

[antbee]

@mia wrote:

But if the BF knew all along, she’d be a hell of an actress. Yes, we saw her lie at the war council (Pilot), but she acted all “not knowing” in The Finale! Doesn’t make sense if she remembered. She could still have gotten Henry in exactly the manner you discribed without knowing who he was and on orders of Gold.

Yes, while I don’t trust the Blue Fairy, I don’t know if it’s because of the actress, the writing, or some kind of combination of both, so that leaves me very confused on whether viewers are actually supposed to be suspicious of her. I really don’t think we are, and I think it’s just unfortunately one of the inconsistencies that the show has.

I could be wrong, and she’ll turn out to be the Big Bad. However, within the show from what we’ve seen of her, she’s always trying to help the “good” characters, and while her advice/plans usually have backfired spectacularly, they’ve never shown her being happy that something bad happened because of her advice or really any hint that she might have a hidden agenda, imo.

For me, only two hints stand out that maybe she knows something more than she does, and those are when she has a conversation with August before he tries to fool Rumple and when she said that she had preparations to make before the Curse hit in “The Return”, but those don’t necessarily mean anything. The former could easily be misdirection, so everyone thinks that there’s something up with the Blue Fairy and that she remembered, but August actually got his information from someone else. The latter could also be something else and not her making plans to remember her Enchanted Forest life too.

It does seem like the people that remembered were people who were very magical in the Enchanted Life, so based on that, she could certainly be someone who remembered their other life. However, the show really hasn’t gave any hints that she remembered, and since everyone has their memories back, I don’t think it would have as much impact now to get information that she remembered before everyone else did. I also agree that it did not seem like she remembered anything prior to the season finale because the way that the actress portrayed it was that she was remembering at the same time everyone else. So unfortunately, I just think that the Blue Fairy is just wrong a lot but not deliberately evil, and therefore couldn’t have some great plan of watching Emma all of her life and bringing Emma’s son to Storybrooke, writing the book of fairy tales, and then making sure it would end up with him, so that he would bring Emma back on her 28th birthday.

It could also be that Henry’s father has something to do with it. We still don’t know if he’s from our world or from FTL. Even though Emma said he didn’t know she was pregnant, mybe he DID know and somehow made it so that Henry was sent to SB. For whatever reason …

I think because Henry’s father will turn out to be Baelfire that it will turn out that the only reason Henry was able to be adopted by Regina was because both of his parents came from the Enchanted Forest. I don’t know what or who actually brought Henry there, but I’ll just guess that the Curse had something to do with it or the loophole in it, to ensure that Emma would be brought there to break the Curse on her 28th birthday. I think that Regina probably wanted a child of her own for awhile especially as we saw that already in “True North”, and that maybe Gold kept searching for a baby for her to adopt, but none of them worked out because those babies couldn’t come to Storybrooke. Or it could be that Baelfire will turn out to be some kind of mastermind that was the middleperson in Henry’s adoption so that he could get to Storybrooke. I think it’s more likely the former theory though that Henry was the only one that could be brought to Storybrooke and that the Curse was what brought him there.

[clockwatcher]

@mia wrote:

But if the BF knew all along, she’d be a hell of an actress. Yes, we saw her lie at the war council (Pilot), but she acted all “not knowing” in The Finale! Doesn’t make sense if she remembered. She could still have gotten Henry in exactly the manner you discribed without knowing who he was and on orders of Gold.

Well, maybe the way we saw her acting in the finale was her realizing that the curse was broken; that must have changed the came a bit 😉

[Josephine]

I’m the opposite on long term planning of the episodes. I remember reading an interview by K&H about how they write and plan the show. The have long range arcs planned out, but leave room for side stories and surprises. I’ll have to hunt it up for you to read. It was really interesting. So I don’t think they really comment on something unless is has some meaning and is already planned. They get numerous tweets and questions thrown at them and they don’t answer them all. They answer the ones they want to answer. So I feel the ones they do pick are the questions that they’ve already done some planning.

I think because Henry’s father will turn out to be Baelfire that it will turn out that the only reason Henry was able to be adopted by Regina was because both of his parents came from the Enchanted Forest.

Didn’t Henry say in the first episode that nobody leaves or enters Storybrooke. This is like the number one commandment written in OUaT. At that point, he was the only one allowed to leave and come back because he was born outside the curse. Same with Emma. Later we learn that is the reason August is also allowed to come and go. Emma and August are 100% FTL born and bred. But as far as we know Henry is only half-FTL-ite. So it goes to reason that in order for Henry to be allowed to come to Storybrooke in the first place then he’d have to be of pure FTL parentage, also. Of course, this is just speculation. His father could be the local garbage man where Emma lived, however, I don’t think so.

I do wonder if Storybrooke is like Hogwarts is to Muggles. They see only a crumbling pile of stones and are repelled from entering. They don’t know why they want leave, but wizards know that it’s the anti-muggle charms that are in place. Maybe Storybrooke repels everyone else in a similar way.

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[clockwatcher]

Well, would Bae be considered EF-ian if he lived the majority of his life in another realm, or traveling through multiple realms? 😉

[antbee]

@Josephine wrote:

Didn’t Henry say in the first episode that nobody leaves or enters Storybrooke. This is like the number one commandment written in OUaT. At that point, he was the only one allowed to leave and come back because he was born outside the curse.

Yes, I think since Henry was born outside the Curse and because Emma and August escaped before it hit that they’re the only 3 that can come and go as they please. I also agree that it is the number one commandment of the town, and maybe Rumple or someone else will start to put the clues together on how Henry was able to be brought to Storybrooke if no one else from the town is allowed to leave and no else is allowed to enter unless they happen to be magical too. Although I guess it’s possible that non-magical people could enter, but for now I’ll trust Henry when he said no one ever comes to Storybrooke after August arrived.

But as far as we know Henry is only half-FTL-ite. So it goes to reason that in order for Henry to be allowed to come to Storybrooke in the first place then he’d have to be of pure FTL parentage, also. Of course, this is just speculation. His father could be the local garbage man where Emma lived, however, I don’t think so.

Well maybe it still works if he’s half FTL, but I agree that it’s probably more likely that he’s pure FTL. Maybe that’s why Bae and Emma were attracted to each other because they could sense the FTL-ness in the other or just fate or coincidence.

I do wonder if Storybrooke is like Hogwarts is to Muggles. They see only a crumbling pile of stones and are repelled from entering. They don’t know why they want leave, but wizards know that it’s the anti-muggle charms that are in place. Maybe Storybrooke repels everyone else in a similar way.

This is a good question. It reminds me when Emma saw August’s leg as being normal when he was turning back into a puppet. I wondered if a non-FTL person saw it, if he/she would see the same thing Emma did before she believed because that person wouldn’t be able to really believe that a normal person could turn into wood, or would that person actually see it. I’m guessing it’s probably that the person wouldn’t really see it just like how Storybrooke doesn’t have any outsiders coming to it at all.

[hjbau]

@rumplegoldfan wrote:

You just totally cracked me up because I have this exact same thought during EVERY SINGLE episode of the show!!! And I think it’s weird how we all have these deep philosophical theories on everything but then I’ll think – wait a minute, I don’t think they have even thought ahead that far yet!!! Or we come up with all this dramatic back story on a character but then I think – no, they haven’t even thought to tie any of this together yet!

I know, right? And it seems like the actors think that they have this grand plan thought out where they are going to go with the characters, but a lot of times it seems like they are just flying by the seat of their pants. I mean Kitsis and Horowitz are supposed to be the final stop so if something doesn’t fit in their grand mythology, if it exists, then it shouldn’t be in the show.

And a lot of times it doesn’t seem like they have thought out things like how magic works in their world, how power works, how the kingdoms relate to each other, and sometimes they don’t show us enough of a certain incident and then it doesn’t make sense completely. And i am not sure if they are going to fill in more at some point or if that is it. I just don’t know. Maybe in the end it won’t feel so inconsistent at points, but i am just not sure.

I agree, it was really odd when K and H suddenly announced that Gold didn’t remember anything until he heard Emma’s name. I mean, fine – if that’s what they wanted to do great, but they probably needed to actually put that information in the show because what about all those people out there who aren’t crazy obsessed like us and don’t watch all the interviews and read the internet forums?? They could be under the impression that Gold remembered all along – that’s what I thought until I saw the K and H interview.

There have been hints with the whole Rumpel really wanting to know Emma’s name when he was trapped in the dungeon cave in the Pilot and the reason he needed to know it was because it was what woke him up in the real world. The thing is that like you said, i don’t think it was stated explicitly enough that people would understand that. It is sort of like Regina all of the sudden just saying that she knows Emma is the savior. After all that time wondering when Regina was going to figure out who Emma was they just have her state that she knows. And there was that hint in Ep 2 that maybe she should know who she thinks she is, but after that it is never mentioned again that Regina knows anything about who Emma was and then they just state it like it was always known. Flying by the seat of their pants.

Sometimes i feel like they could write a whole season just doing behind the scenes actions of this season. It is like there must have been all of this stuff going on that we hadn’t seen to explain away all of the randomness.

[darcyfarrow]

Just wondering: how would it go over with fans if K & H said, “We’ve reconsidered : it works better for the story if Rumple retained his FTL memories when he came to SB”? I for one would be quite all right with that. How would you feel?

[arjay369]

That’s how I feel about it. Until I read the interviews, I thought that’s how it was all along.

[hjbau]

I am not sure how i would feel if they reconsider. I think that it is interesting that the reason Rumpel needed Emma’s name was so that he would regain his memories when she came back to town. That is interesting. I think that they just need to state it and explain where Henry came from. The show is usually too straight forward so i like that twist and complication. I doubt they are going to reconsider though and they just need to explain how Henry to be the child chosen to be adopted by Regina and i like the idea that there could be some sort of outside force and i am actually okay with it’s just fate. Though i think they need to do some more back story about Emma’s past and what happened there with the father and the adoption anyways. So they could explain that away.

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