Shadow Neverland

[Slurpeez]

Neverland is the place where lost boys go, and once they set foot on land, can never depart from again. This is a much darker version of NL than the Disney version. Whose shadow is it that took Baelfire there? If Baelfire could manage to capture the shadow, perhaps he will become the next Peter Pan and save the lost boys. Also, the scene in which Baelfire used light to scare off the shadow very much reminded me of when Philip, Mulan and Aurora used light to scare away the Wraith. So, perhaps NL is where lost souls go after the Wraith has sucked them from their bodies.

[RumplesGirl]

Wendy said that the shadow showed up to her house around the same time Bae did. What if the shadow is Bae’s shadow?

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[kpercyman]

I think Bae’s portal caused the Shadow to know of London’s existence. It used the same portal to get through.

I hate that this is a dark Neverland though. It broke my heart hearing all the sad boys wanting to go home.

[21alfie]

I don’t think it’s Bae’s shadow bc Bae had been in England for months before he ever met Wendy, but a Peter Pan character can be later introduced to liberate the lost boys, considering Bae would eventually have to get back to our world approximately 50-75 years later for him to still have time to grow up and meet Emma, etc…

[storybrookegirl]

I also doubt the shadow is Bae’s, but it would be way too big of a coincidence for his arrival at the Darling home to have nothing to do with it. We’ve already seen that Rumplestiltskin has some sort of control over at least one Wraith, which seem to be similar to the shadow (scared of light and all). What if the shadow was an early attempt of Rumple’s to find his son, and it went awry? Or this shadow will somehow lead Rumple to controlling that Wraith in Storybrooke?

[RumplesGirl]

I do think it’s too big of a coincidence but you’re probably right about it not being Bae. Whatever it is, it’s creepy and evil though. All that crying from NL….

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[Phee]

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Wendy said that the shadow showed up to her house around the same time Bae did. What if the shadow is Bae’s shadow?

After all our speculation on this theory over the last week, I totally did keep an eye out for Bae’s shadow, and alas, he had one. *pout*

Love that they’ve made Pan and Neverland so ominous, and can’t wait to see more!

[RumplesGirl]

@Phee wrote:

@RumplesGirl wrote:

Wendy said that the shadow showed up to her house around the same time Bae did. What if the shadow is Bae’s shadow?

After all our speculation on this theory over the last week, I totally did keep an eye out for Bae’s shadow, and alas, he had one. *pout*

Love that they’ve made Pan and Neverland so ominous, and can’t wait to see more!

Naturally. And here we go again….

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[MysteryKat25]

It was sad to hear that all the boys were trapped and crying to go home. Poor lost boys 🙁 I’m sorry we didn’t get to see too much of Neverland tonight but hoping we get more soon because I’ve been looking forward to Neverland for ages! So far it seems kinda dark and creepy though…hopefully we see some daylight stuff in the near future.

We still need to find out if Hook had ever been there before (perhaps as a child if this thing wasn’t trapping them back then – he knew exactly what realm to send the bean to after Milah was dead so it’s a question still in my mind and I know some think he might be have been the pan for awhile at least), but Hook and Smee must have arrived not too long before they found Bae because it had already been 6 months and the events with Rumple & Hook weren’t THAT long after Bae went through the portal, especially if Hook is already in Neverland.

As for the shadow that thing was creepy! It was almost wraith-like but then again not *quite*. I agree with the no coincidences thing about it arriving around the same time as Bae going through the portal. Whether it snuck through, or belongs to Bae is a different question.

It could be a literal shadow (like in Disney’s version where he was clearly not attached to his shadow) or it could be a more evil, darker side of Bae that separated on the way in when Rumple let go (we may not know all of the details yet as to what happens when you’re abandoned in a vortex).

The side of me that likes the theory going back to Bae being him relates to a couple of things:

1) All of the evidence that we had earlier on pointing strongly to NealFire being Peter (shadow phone he dropped out the window, where he lived in our world for awhile, etc etc, we’ve been over these elsewhere)

2) Then there are the new things like the timing, it arrived around the same time Bae did

3) The way it behaves – it sounds like a very selfish creature who has made a new family for himself but never, ever wants them to leave, going so far as to trap them there so they can’t, even when crying for their parents. What if there was a small amount of darkness in Bae that before now he was able to keep down (I was going to say “at bay” but a bad pun doesn’t make my argument very valid) and/or was just created from extreme anger while going through the portal and being abandoned, somehow has created its own home where it landed in Neverland and never wants to be abandoned again? I could see a much darker Bae trying to never be left again, while the nice, kind side is hiding out with the Darlings.

4) It’s interesting to note that the shadow did not want Wendy. Bae obviously likes her and has spent time with her whereas the shadow thing has not. Perhaps it realized the situation though when it was there last and knew the only way to convince Bae to go willingly was to make a trade, banking on the kindness in him (the opposite of the shadow side).

It was weird that the shadow could transport anybody to and from Neverland as I don’t think we’ve seen that in any version but it was certainly an interesting twist. I don’t think we’ll know til next season for sure either way but there are many pros and cons to it being some form of Bae and wanting to become whole again which may take some time.

A theory I am going with for now is that, at least for awhile, Hook and Bae have a good relationship. Hook teaches him how to drive the ship, wield a sword etc etc and they are able to keep the shadow away (Bae knows it doesn’t like fire for instance and it left him alone once he dropped into the water and eventually got pulled onto Hook’s ship).

However, once Hook discovers the connection between Bae and Rumple / Milah perhaps from a drawing he does at some point while missing home? Wasn't there some picture that had him holding a picture of what some believed to be Milah? then they would probably have a falling out. (If Bae were to learn the truth about what happened to Milah for instance. I don’t think Hook would start it just because he was so attentive to the shawl because it was made by Milah, I doubt he would intentionally hurt her son unless he had no other choice. He might however at least think about it and/or lash out abit because of the Rumple connection.

If all of that plays out how I’m thinking it might, then it would eventually turn Bae against him to lead the lost boys and perhaps at that point, reunite with his shadow if that is in fact his.

I’m wary to go with it 100% even though I’ve been a big proponent of the NealFire Pan theory since sooo many things have pointed that way but I just don’t know what to do with that weird shadow pan!

The writers have said we won't find out who Peter is until S3, as well as that there are some twists in Bae's story that nobody's guessed so far – I think part of that could be living with the Darlings, and if the shadow theory is correct, even saying he's NealFire Pan isn't *really* guessing his whole story. Next week should hopefully clear that up with more Bae & Hook interaction I hope.

Keeper of Hook's Trenchcoat.

[lilysmom]

That shadow guy was totally creepy. I don’t think it is Bae’s shadow though. I’m thinking that Pan is going to be a completely new character that somehow got severed from his shadow. Pan probably needs to be rescued which is why we won’t meet him till season 3.

I do agree with the idea that Bae’s portal is the reason the shadow made it to London. There are no coincidences on OUAT.

So it looks like to me that Bae will be apart of Hook’s crew. My guess is that Hook is going to figure out who Bae is pretty quickly and that’s why he will be so friendly. I don’t think he is going to tell Bae. Bae will find out somehow. I don’t think that will happen till season three though

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