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March 7, 2014 at 10:12 pm #250951obisgirlParticipant
I mean, this is the second time where the Sultan has said that he has no regrets where Jafar is concerned. I know Peter Pan was like that too but I think at this point, Jafar should give up on trying to get his daddy to love him because I think it’s clear now that may not ever again. And Jafar will have wasted his vengeance and time on a man who doesn’t really care about him at all.
Or do you think there’s still hope? I think hope is very bleak at this point.
[adrotate group="5"]March 7, 2014 at 10:17 pm #250954RumplesGirlKeymasterSomething I found really interesting: the Sultan seemed to be challenging Jafar, like he has a death wish. I think the Sultan wants Jafar to kill him so Jafar can’t go through with his plan to force the Sultan to love Jafar.
That speaks *volumes* to me. The Sultan just has zero interest in any sort of amicable relationship with Jafar. Even one built on lies! Jafar even told himin 107, “just call me your son. Just say you love me” and Jafar would have ended it all.
Is false forced love really love? You can’t force love, right? I think a running theme of this show is to be careful what you wish for. Jafar could get what he wants–his papa’s love–but I think somewhere in the back of Jafar’s head, he’ll know it’s not real and not what he really wants.
So yes, Jafar should probably give up because even in the end, it won’t be what he wants or needs (very Regina in 202, We are Both, where she can’t buy Henry’s love with a cupcake or holding him in his room).
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 7, 2014 at 11:01 pm #250967PheeParticipantHe should absolutely give up on him, because he’s a straight up hideous human being. But it’s not so much about the love for Jafar any more, (though he’s trying to convince himself that it is), he just wants to WIN, and changing the laws of magic so his father will be forced to say he loves him will mean that he finally beat this one guy who has had him defeated for so long.
If Jafar does gets his wish, I think he’ll realise it’s not all it’s cracked up to be.
March 7, 2014 at 11:08 pm #250972obisgirlParticipantI feel bad for what he went through when he was younger but yeah, I don’t see this ending well for Jafar. If the sultan dies (and he probably will at some point), I would not be surprised if in his last moment, he taunts Jafar into thinking that he’s going to say, “I love you” but smiles wickedly before he can say it — and dies. Basically, I can see the sultan determined to stick it to Jafar til the bitter end.
March 7, 2014 at 11:18 pm #250974RumplesGirlKeymasterI feel bad for what he went through when he was younger but yeah, I don’t see this ending well for Jafar. If the sultan dies (and he probably will at some point), I would not be surprised if in his last moment, he taunts Jafar into thinking that he’s going to say, “I love you” but smiles wickedly before he can say it — and dies. Basically, I can see the sultan determined to stick it to Jafar til the bitter end.
Ok I can totally see this. The Sultan dies as a consequence of Jafar trying to break the laws of magic (and probably failing) and then, as his father dies in his arms, the Sultan just looks at him and say, “you’re not my son” or something horrendous.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 8, 2014 at 10:14 am #251027obisgirlParticipantOr he doesn’t say anything at all. Just smiles all evilly and dies.
March 8, 2014 at 10:16 am #251029RumplesGirlKeymasterOr he doesn’t say anything at all. Just smiles all evilly and dies.
Kiiiiiinda hate the Sultan but yeah. That wicked smile he gave Jafar this last episode when he said he wished he had succeed in killing Jafar. ARG. Bad man.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 8, 2014 at 10:23 am #251031obisgirlParticipantSomething I found really interesting: the Sultan seemed to be challenging Jafar, like he has a death wish. I think the Sultan wants Jafar to kill him so Jafar can’t go through with his plan to force the Sultan to love Jafar. That speaks *volumes* to me.
Oh yeah. I absolutely think the Sultan would rather die than to give into what Jafar wants. He knows even if Jafar succeeds, the outcome won’t be what Jafar truly wanted. It will be hollow.
March 8, 2014 at 10:28 am #251033RumplesGirlKeymasterSomething I found really interesting: the Sultan seemed to be challenging Jafar, like he has a death wish. I think the Sultan wants Jafar to kill him so Jafar can’t go through with his plan to force the Sultan to love Jafar. That speaks *volumes* to me.
Oh yeah. I absolutely think the Sultan would rather die than to give into what Jafar wants. He knows even if Jafar succeeds, the outcome won’t be what Jafar truly wanted. It will be hollow.
Which adds to the Sultan’s complexity, doesn’t it? Is it a small streak of nobility? He’d rather die than allow Jafar to break the laws of magic? Or is it selfishness that drives him–he’d rather die than ever be forced to love Jafar?
I think the Sultan is a straight up terrible human being, but I have to wonder if he’s more psychologically complex than just “bad daddy”
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"March 8, 2014 at 10:54 am #251044SlurpeezParticipantI know every child craves the affirmation and love from a caring paternal figure. Yet, why Jafar as a grown man would continue to push for this man’s esteem at a great cost to everyone else is beyond me. After all, his father tried to murder him! Better for Jafar’s own sanity and well-being to disown his father, who clearly never acknowledged him as son. I think Jafar may have suffered a bit of a mental disconnect similar to how Regina’s sanity snapped a bit after Cora murdered Daniel for “Regina’s sake.” I think Jafar may have become unhinged.
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