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Don’t forget that she never stopped the Ogre Wars. Morraine said the soldiers whispered her name around, but nothing ever came of it. Baelfire said it once and she appeared. If she’s the “original power” on the side of “right”, then why did it take the Dark One to stop the children from fighting and dying in the ogre war? I kind of gave her the benefit for Dream/Nova. Didn’t like it, but looked over it, but when she did this I started to look at her differently. Then the whole wardrobe thing and lying to Snowing and the War Council was just adding onto my grievances of her. I think she has her own plan, even it’s for the “greater good”, she has something planned that we don’t know about yet. I still think she’s the ultimate puppet-master in the end and Eddie and Adam are just trying to lead us astray.
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So in short, the Blue Fairy is suspicious because she is not all perfect, not all knowing, not turning all the mess, bad and evil things people do into good, fails to solve everybody’s problems with fairy dust, doesn’t make the bad and evil disappear with the flick of her wand, and is wrongly overprotective at times.
a) Keeping Nova and Grumpy apart
That I call a typical overprotective reaction of people who care and are in charge, but that doesn’t make her untrustworthy to me. It’s not like they locked them up or send them to some far away place to keep them apart. Bossy talked of responsibilities to Grumpy, and the Blue Fairy agreed with Bossy and told Grumpy “it’s just a dream” – and I think Bossy and the Blue Fairy were honest, they actually believed it was something that wouldn’t last and only could harm Nova and Grumpy. So guilty of lack of open mind in that situation, and wrong about the nature of feelings between Grumpy and Nova. Makes the Blue Fairy very untrustworhty, indeed. Not in my opinion.b) lying about the wardrobe
Yes, the Blue Fairy lied to the assembly, Snow and Charming about how many the enchanted tree could save, but just think of what discussion would have happened otherwise about Geppetto’s demand. Maybe she was wrong about assuming that otherwise no one would have made that wardrobe in time, or that the others wouldn’t have agreed to let Pinocchio go as well, but I can see her point.c) slipping up about curse
The Blue Fairy doesn’t tell Rumple, that there is a curse, Rumple guessed it. She could have tried harder to deny it, but it was rather useless, Rumple likely would have caught it as lie anyway. Her mistake? Yes, but she was unsettled about it.
And just because Rumple was not that long the Dark One doesn’t mean he was not already a match to her at this point. I think she was honest to Bae, when she said, she couldn’t get his father back, she couldn’t strip the powers of the Dark One from Rumple. So, should she have tried to kill him with the knife for the greater good, turning herself into an even more powerful Dark One given her already excisting power and knowledge? Great idea.d) the ashes of the enchanted tree
Not sure what you mean with that. That the Blue Fairy could have had the probably brilliant idea, to get some of the water of Lake Nostos (she should have known, that there was still some water left underground, maybe) to recharge the wardrobe and then send Snow and /or Charming through as well before the Dark Curse got to them? Maybe should have had the idea, but she hadn’t. (They should have trapped Regina again, and then send her and Rumple throught that wardrobe to our world, would have made things a lot easier)
Or is it about what happened in second season? Could the Blue Fairy have known, the wardrobe was still there? Did she know there was still something of the Fairy Tale Lands left? Had she some spy there telling her, what kind of things, creatures and people survived there the Dark Curse? Then what? Send Snow and Emma a message via Henry (the Blue Fairy should have known about that, shouldn’t she) to tell them how to get home? Would that have made any difference, kept Cora out of the picture? And what other ways to get to our world are you talking about? The hat was destroyed, the beans were thought to be all gone, so what ways didn’t the Blue Fairy think of? Not to mention: it’s one thing to have a vast knowledge, doesn’t mean you always have the right ideas in time how to deal with something.e) King Georg destroying the hat
Uhm, The Blue Fairy did tell Charming to take good care of that hat, didn’t she, and she trusted him. Or maybe she shouldn’t have and take it herself to watch it. She should have known that David /Charming messes up, that he put the hat into a place, where Georg accidentally saw it, and then could easily find and take it. I really don’t get the logic of you blaming the Blue Fairy for that. Maybe the ashes of the hat could have been of use, or maybe not, but nothing says, she didn’t even consider the idea – you assume she doesn’t because it’s not shown.And the ogre wars? Should the Blue Fairy have turned all ogres into cute, harmless and peaceful cows? Okay, at least she could have taken away all children and brought them to some far away safe haven till the war ended, would have made all parents very happy and grateful. Or take control of the Dark One, or become the Dark One herself to stop the Duke from recruting even children for war. You think there was no price to pay for Rumple ending the wars as the Dark One? Think again.
And what would the world be without some elaborated conspiracy? Maybe a place of hope instead of distrust. 😮
We should dismiss the writers – they totally failed and made a fairy, well all fairies in their story beings with some very human inadequateness. These fairies are such a letdown, so not up to the task to be fairies. We want the all good, impeccable fairy tale fairies back! 😉
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That’s all very well but she KNEW about the magic tree and its powers to teleport to our reality, yet didn’t tell Rumple about it at the time. Instead she let him start working on the curse.
I think many of us don’t trust the fairy because of her apparent inclination to be proper and do the right thing no matter what. And we don’t like being told we are wrong, especially if it comes from someone we cannot say anything wrong about.
And yet, in the show, all that proper-ness, she actually is human and makes mistakes, like not believing that Grumpy and Nova had something strong going on. Yes, it was a mistake on her behalf, and perhaps she even had greater plans for Nova but surely, she must have seen what the devastation she caused for both of them and try to fix it? Also, how is it, that she can tell if anyone else has a true love but she would be mistaken about these two?
Next: yes, she is the Good Fairy but she still imposes limitations on her gifts (like with Pinocchio not remaining a boy or Cinderella ) – is that really fair and good? Isn’t that limiting the free will that people have? In the end all those wishes she did for the people were already prizes for what they did or felt, so why put conditions on it if they have already done enough to deserve it? We say we learn from our mistakes so should a Fairy intervene in our decisions or let us deal with the consequences? Like with little children, sometimes it’s better to let the kid get burnt once so it won’t do it ever again.
On the other hand if she shouldn’t intervene, should she then not grant any wishes in the first place?
It’s a tricky question and I’m really glad the writers explore this area, by purposely hinting things that make us question Blue Fairy and her intentions.Personally, I’m still waiting for the confirmation of where she’s standing. I would like her to turn out to be the good one – mainly because there is no other good magic around and it makes everyone believe that if you have to do anything with magic, you must not be entirely good. And sure, we have Emma use it and we KNOW she’s not perfect, yet we excuse her. Now we have Blue and we see she’s not perfect either but we haven’t seen enough of her yet to be sure of who she really is, only that she claims to stand for the righteousness and the overall good. I want her to be the good one to show that, same as with the bad guys, there is so many layers to the ‘good’ side that can be explored in a different way. If people like putting things in the right box, perhaps exploring Blue’s character would make them take a second look at the things they categorize. It would give viewers a really strong figure that sticks to her values despite the things people think about her.
On the other hand – it would also be oh so interesting to see her playing the baddie – with Storybrooke trust in her, she could manipulate people better than Rumple and Cora all together and still not get the blame for any of the bad that had happened.@EvilQueen wrote:
That’s all very well but she KNEW about the magic tree and its powers to teleport to our reality, yet didn’t tell Rumple about it at the time. Instead she let him start working on the curse.
That’s an assumption, we don’t know it. She might have known of the possibility to turn the enchanted tree into a portal or not when she had this (first) clash with Rumple. It’s not said. Unlike you though I don’t think she knew at that point. And I am not convinced that the tree would have worked that way before the Dark Curse struck anyway. Rumple had a hundred or so years himself to look for a portal, he went many ways he says. Should think he would have found out about the tree himself in that time – he learned about the hat, the mirror, the shoes, so it’s more than likely he would have learned about the tree as well, if there had been any way at that point to use the tree as portal to find Bae.
I think many of us don’t trust the fairy because of her apparent inclination to be proper and do the right thing no matter what. And we don’t like being told we are wrong, especially if it comes from someone we cannot say anything wrong about.
Does she ever personally claim, that she does the right things no matter what? And no, no one likes to be told to be wrong, even when it’s right, but no one says that no one can criticise the Blue Fairy. But criticising someone for mistakes is something different from suspecting her to be a dogdy person, questioning her intentions, accusing her even to be eventually a kind of puppet-master following only her own big plan. Seeing mistakes and naming them is not the same as coming up with conspiracy theories.
Next: yes, she is the Good Fairy but she still imposes limitations on her gifts (like with Pinocchio not remaining a boy or Cinderella ) – is that really fair and good? Isn’t that limiting the free will that people have?In the end all those wishes she did for the people were already prizes for what they did or felt, so why put conditions on it if they have already done enough to deserve it? We say we learn from our mistakes so should a Fairy intervene in our decisions or let us deal with the consequences? Like with little children, sometimes it’s better to let the kid get burnt once so it won’t do it ever again.
The limit of free will of people is the good of others.
What is fair and good? Was it fair at all to help Cinderella while very sure plenty of maids would love to live a different life? And we don’t know, what the fairy would have done for Cinderella, maybe she wouldn’t have set the midnight limit, maybe she would have. After all, taking the prince on a bit of a quest to find the mysterious woman might have been the thing he needed to convince his family that she is the one and only, The story is not told in all detail here, so feel free to imagine. And don’t we sometimes wish, that everybody would suffer immidiate consequences like Pinocchio when losing their good way, wouldn’t it be a good thing? Maybe it’s not unfair, no disadvantage but an advantage, giving him a clearer moral compass than any of us have. Pinocchio still can make his choices, just that it has very tangible consequences for him.
On the other hand if she shouldn’t intervene, should she then not grant any wishes in the first place?
It’s a tricky question and I’m really glad the writers explore this area, by purposely hinting things that make us question Blue Fairy and her intentions.Yes, it’s a question, if she should intervene at all. Shouldn’t people succeed all on their own or fail if they can’t do it on their own and need help of fairy magic?
I don’t question intentions of the Blue Fairy, because that is in my opinion not the point (and yes, I think the writers might agree, but that is an assumption of mine). The question is not if the Blue Fairy is good or not, but what is good and fair? How can we tell? What if we have good intentions, but what we do creates something bad? What if we do something selfish and even harm someone, but somehow it creates something good for others? Was it than a bad doing or a good one? We have a far bigger moral issue here than the question, where the Blue Fairy stands.
Personally, I’m still waiting for the confirmation of where she’s standing. I would like her to turn out to be the good one – mainly because there is no other good magic around and it makes everyone believe that if you have to do anything with magic, you must not be entirely good. And sure, we have Emma use it and we KNOW she’s not perfect, yet we excuse her. Now we have Blue and we see she’s not perfect either but we haven’t seen enough of her yet to be sure of who she really is, only that she claims to stand for the righteousness and the overall good. I want her to be the good one to show that, same as with the bad guys, there is so many layers to the ‘good’ side that can be explored in a different way. If people like putting things in the right box, perhaps exploring Blue’s character would make them take a second look at the things they categorize. It would give viewers a really strong figure that sticks to her values despite the things people think about her.
Haven’t heard the Blue Fairy, or any fairy state, that they are beyond any doubt and overall good. On the good side, yes, that the Blue Fairy said to be, but never heard her claim to be perfect, pure good, never ever doing wrong, above all.
What would confirm for you where she is standing? Guess someone stating she is on the good side besides herself wouldn’t be enough. Doing good? But then again we have the question, what is beyond any doubts good? Or if she’s not on the good side would it be her killing someone? Well, that could be a good deed in some cases, or not?
The idea there might be no unquestionable good or evil, and thus no one to embody good or evil is so unpleasantly real world and something not easy to brave. Now many fictional stories are good because of not painting all in black and white but showing the shades in between, even fairy tale characters are not always simple one or the other – but at the end of the story things do turn out good.
That said, just to make this clear. I don’t doubt the Blue Fairy’s intentions, she is on the good side, but that doesn’t mean her actions are beyond doubt. Besides, there is a difference between judging a person and judging her doings.
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New promo with Captain Hook and Belle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLc7usJybKw&feature=player_embedded
how dare he put a gun to belle’s face!?
and since the actor who plays Archie just tweeted about doing some pick ups for ABCONCE, I’m cool assuming he doesn’t really die.
We he is a villain. 😆 It is pretty much confirmed that he is going to use Belle to get back at Rumpelstiltskin. Maybe as bait?
I found this article which has some spoilers about the upcoming episode. I’ve picked out the main parts of it- the rest is just interviews with the cast.
On Once Upon a Time's main street in Storybrooke, resident evil queen Regina sits in her car, peering into her side mirror with tears streaming down her face. The mirror's reflection shows Emma breaking bad news to Henry — someone has been murdered in Storybrooke, and all signs point to Regina as the culprit. As Regina realizes she's likely lost Henry forever and more tears fall, the director yells, “Cut!” With only a minute or two to spare before the scene resets, Lana Parrilla dries her face, peers up in the air in an attempt to stop crying before reapplying more makeup. It's time to do the scene again, and this time, it draws even more local looky-loos. That's because the Storybrooke set of ABC's fairy tale drama isn't closed to the public, but a real working street in Steveston, a town just south of Vancouver in British Columbia, Canada.
Back on the road, Storybrooke's library is still boarded up, with newspaper on the window. Earlier, the production team went through added signs throughout the street, including Storybrooke dental, Storybrooke hardware and Storybrooke bakery, though the latter's owner likes to keep the sign up all the time, hoping to attract fans of the show in for warm bread. Just around the corner stands The Buck & Ear, which sounds like a place Captain Hook would frequent — but it's actually a real bar and grille not used in the series… yet!
http://www.tvguide.com/News/Once-Upon-Time-Set-Spoilers-Morrison-Goodwin-Dallas-1058511.aspx
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