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What you’re suggesting is that Killian’s using Emma’s potential weakness and taking it to his advantage. That’s just really screwed up.
We only saw Hook and Bae one time, for all we know there could be more to there story that we haven’t seen yet. Maybe something did happen after Pan took him. Maybe Hook helped him get back to another world. We don’t know.
I personally don’t see this as Hook taking any kind of advantage. He being able to understand Emma is comforting her when Rumple has likely crossed the line.
Also I think it’s wrong to call him Hook when it’s clear as day in this scene he’s Killian.
[adrotate group="5"]Also I think it’s wrong to call him Hook when it’s clear as day in this scene he’s Killian.
I understand what you’re saying here but I’m not sure I agree. For sure he’s Killian but the two aren’t mutally exclusive. He’ll never be Killian Jones without being Hook too. He’s both. Even when he’s more Killian than Hook he’s still both. It’s like saying Regina can go back to being who she was in the Stable Boy and stop being the EQ altogether. Identity negotiation is tough and being Hook for 300 or so affected him and he’ll always carry that identity with him.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"hookian wrote: Also I think it’s wrong to call him Hook when it’s clear as day in this scene he’s Killian.
I understand what you’re saying here but I’m not sure I agree. For sure he’s Killian but the two aren’t mutally exclusive. He’ll never be Killian Jones without being Hook too. He’s both. Even when he’s more Killian than Hook he’s still both. It’s like saying Regina can go back to being who she was in the Stable Boy and stop being the EQ altogether. Identity negotiation is tough and being Hook for 300 or so affected him and he’ll always carry that identity with him.
Hook has a jekyll and hyde persona, call that an effect of 300 years in Neverland. In this scene he’s Killian and he’s only ever been Killian to Emma in the past 300 years.
This is the Killian that was in Tallahasee and Emma’s the only person that’s ever brought that out of him. It’s because of this understanding with one another that he can be himself with her and only her.
The whole Killian/Hook thing–I don’t think Killian is as distinct and separate a personality like MM vs Snow or Nolan vs Charming. It is more like Regina/EQ or Gold/Rumple to me. I don’t have as good a sense of distinction between the personality for them and even if I did–I still am random sometimes what name I use. I never call Leroy, but did use Dreamy vs Grumpy. I know it is a big deal to some shippers but just keep it in mind that most of us do not see it as distinctly the way you do. He has not been consistently addressed as Killian by other characters so that is probably why I default to Hook.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Hook has a jekyll and hyde persona, call that an effect of 300 years in Neverland. In this scene he’s Killian and he’s only ever been Killian to Emma in the past 300 years.
This is the Killian that was in Tallahasee and Emma’s the only person that’s ever brought that out of him. It’s because of this understanding with one another that he can be himself with her and only her.
I totally understand this. I do. But I don’t think you can ever devoid someone of a persona they’ve been carrying for 300 years. Hook doesn’t just go away, he is always going to be both. Just like Regina will always have some part of the EQ in her, even when all she wants is love. Rumple will always struggle with wanting power after having it for so long.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Hook has a jekyll and hyde persona, call that an effect of 300 years in Neverland. In this scene he’s Killian and he’s only ever been Killian to Emma in the past 300 years. This is the Killian that was in Tallahasee and Emma’s the only person that’s ever brought that out of him. It’s because of this understanding with one another that he can be himself with her and only her.
To me, Hook is his pirate persona. That being said, I think Killian has shown both his softer side as well as his pirate side to Emma like when he left her in that cell. Nevertheless, there were definite moments in 2×6 and 2×22 when Emma challenged him to reveal himself, the way he did to her. Other than Emma though, I think we’ve seen Killian be his true self with Baelfire, too, in 2×22.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I see those softer sides too but like with Regina I just Regina her unless she is full up EQ dress in the scene. Even then I probably say Regina.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
We were introduced to Killian prior to becoming Hook and he was anything but nice. I would even throw out cruel at times. I judge characters by their actions not by what they choose to refer to themselves at any given moment. Hook isn’t any more “good” or “bad” and Killian isn’t anymore real or faux than his moniker.
I don’t think we’ve truly met “Killian” yet. That will happen in 305 when we see what he used to be like, before he became a pirate. The Pirate Killian had certain good qualities, (the ability to love deeply) and certain bad qualities, (being a bully), and once we have a clear understanding of where he originally came from, we’ll be able to understand him better as a whole, because ALL of his life experiences are what make him the man he is today.
Phee and Mick, I agree.
I totally understand though how a negative nickname might throw you, as for example, I prefer to refer to Archie as Hopper or Archie or Jimminy, not “the cricket”. I don’t know why…but it bugs me.
(I had to do the pun. It does indeed catch my eye, and annoy or irritate are too strong of words to use)
Maybe I’ll just call him CJ for Captain Jones to avoid implying anything about his state of mind when I don’t mean to do it. Of course then no one will know who I mean!
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Maybe I’ll just call him CJ for Captain Jones to avoid implying anything about his state of mind when I don’t mean to do it. Of course then no one will know who I mean!
I think Killian would just laugh and reply that Captain Jones is his father. 🙂
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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