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[adrotate group="5"]"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
Regina just topped her mother’s “I’m not wicked” line in terms of delusion. She tells Henry she’s going to do the exact thing she said only a few episodes “he would never forgive” and then expects him not only to forgive, but actually think her a hero for it! Gold did say Regina would be worse than Cora since Regina has a heart but still does evil. We’re starting to see it.
I agree with Rumplesgirl–no one knows how to be sneaky. Par for the course. They should rename Granny’s the “diner of overheard conversations.”
@LisaS wrote:Sneak Peak #3 – I think Emma is right to not trust to Tamara and she is doing everything she can to warn her mother but just that list alone won’t convince Snow that Tamara is not on the up & up but I think it will convince David & Rumple. I still think that it is Hook who gives GOAT that information about the residents of Storybrooke. Henry will most likely overhear Snow & Emma’s conversation and will go to Neal about it, I think he will also hear Emma tell Snow that she doesn’t have feelings for Neal, which she clearly does and Snow can see it and I wouldn’t be surprised if Henry picks up on that as well.
Snow is wrong about Emma’s superpower not functioning, because it is a safe assumption that Tamara is actually lying. So then I conclude that Emma wasn’t being too emotional (or her power wouldn’t work). So that makes me feel Emma protests were just frustration at not being believed.
The odd thing is, so far we haven’t seen Henry say a peep about Emma and Neal being together. Maybe Snow is just guessing that he would probably want that, because that would be a common response. I just thought Henry was very open to Tamara at the bagel breakfast. He’s already got 2 mothers, what’s one more? Until he knows the new potential mom is all kinds of bad news of course! So where does this come from with Snow, is that what she wants?
I’m still on the fence about Emma’s feelings. At one point I did think she had walls up and wasn’t being true even with herself, but in this scene I had the opposite vibe. Of course it is one scene out of context and we didn’t get to see the scene where Tamara is lying. Could it be another technically Tamara wasn’t lying kind of thing, such as with Greg ‘s response that he saw nothing unusual?
The logic of Emma’s superpower is really giving me a headache!
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
In regards to Sneak Peek # 4: She just keeps getting worse. It’s almost like Regina has deluded herself into thinking that Snow actually killed King Leopold. Those poor poor poor villagers.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"@RumplesGirl wrote:
3) Emma needs to let Mr. Gold know about Tamara asap! He is so on team Swanfire! 😉
Agreed. But I’m wondering if–given where Rumple is mentally—would he care? He would probably say something like “I can take care of myself” like he did in In The Name of the Brother where he “didn’t gave a…”
I think Slurpeez was refering more to Rumple going into Protective Papa mode where Bae is concerned more than wanting to protect himself. I think in this case the more he wants Bae back the less he’d interfere. There’s just no way Bae would forgive turning his fiancee into a snail and crushing her for having a suspicious list of names. If something triggers Bae’s own Protective Papa mode, that could change I suppose. 😆
And after finally seeing the clip of David and Snow, I can see how hearing David’s really stupid plan could cause Regina to freak. (Really, David? Gonna offer to let a psycho choose to either stay alone in a deserted town or spend the rest of her life in Rumple’s cell, and you don’t expect that she’ll look for option 3?) I just miss the days when (as others have pointed out) she still had a sense of reality about it. It’s not so much to me about her being all Evil Queen. I still expect that from her. It’s the fact that I expect the Evil Queen to be smarter than an 11 year old, instead of blurting out her plan to Henry because he’d totes be all over that plan. I don’t get how he isn’t raking her over the coals for her previous attempt at killing his whole family. They couldn’t possibly be keeping that from the kid. And I totally agree with the narcissim diagnosis and that she turned herself into the Evil Queen. Just like Rumple turned himself into the Dark One.
@Pan14 wrote:
It ticks me off that Regina doesn’t hold her mother, Cora, responsible. Regardless of Snow White, Cora was the primary source of evil in Regina’s life.
Cora is absolutely responsible for how messed up Regina is. But even as horrible Cora was, she still loved her. It would be a very awesome moment if one day, Regina woke up with that epiphany that it isn’t Snow White she should hate, or at the very least hold accountable for Daniel’s death, it’s her mother and all her anger has been misplaced. I would love that.
But it’s seriously doubtful that will happen.
@Spitweet wrote:
Why can’t they just bring her back to the EF where she CAN’T harm them ?
Regina can’t hurt David or Snow there, but she might be able to hurt Emma or even Henry.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
In regards to Sneak Peek # 4: She just keeps getting worse. It’s almost like Regina has deluded herself into thinking that Snow actually killed King Leopold. Those poor poor poor villagers.
Not only is Snow White’s family paying the price for something Cora did to Regina, but Regina has ordered the massacre of entire villages just because a little girl was once duped by a witch who had murdered her own mother and made poor Snow worried Regina would lose her mother. Regina is seriously pathologically deranged and dangerous. She is a female Stalin, who was responsible for the death of millions of his own citizens.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Not to mention everyone else–whom she also was perfectly willing to curse, and whom, from the looks of it, she was perfectly willing to have put to death on a whim as the Evil Queen.
I do wonder whether they’re going to extend an invitation to Rumple, since he’s not exactly a safe person either, though I think he was more dangerous in FTL for reasons.
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Okay, so there’s the order to kill the whole village. Very like Cora killing the village in the 2×05. I sometimes wonder, if despite all A&E’s talk of hope and redemption, the show has crossed the line into irredeemability for certain characters. If it’s a choice that’s one thing, but it’s one heck of a fine balance for what audiences will actually accept.
@Keb wrote:
I do wonder whether they’re going to extend an invitation to Rumple, since he’s not exactly a safe person either, though I think he was more dangerous in FTL for reasons.
That’s an interesting debate. The closer Regina got to casting the dark curse, the more Rumple also seemed to descend into madness in his jail cell. Would Rumple even want to go back to the EF? From his perspective, he probably wouldn’t want to go back if Neal and Belle remained in SB. Of course, if SB disappears off the map from Regina triggering the “fail-safe” then Rumple may not have a choice in the matter. Also, from spoiler pictures in the finale, we know Regina and Rumple do in fact end up on Hook's ship, which presumably goes to NL.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
I do wonder whether they’re going to extend an invitation to Rumple, since he’s not exactly a safe person either, though I think he was more dangerous in FTL for reasons.
He is family now. He’s Henry’s other grandfather, so I don’t think they’ll exclude him. But they may offer him some sort of deal. Or maybe Charming’s favor comes into play: “you can return with us, but you have to protect our family.”
Okay, so there’s the order to kill the whole village. Very like Cora killing the village in the 2×05. I sometimes wonder, if despite all A&E’s talk of hope and redemption, the show has crossed the line into irredeemability for certain characters. If it’s a choice that’s one thing, but it’s one heck of a fine balance for what audiences will actually accept.
They are really pushing Regina closer and closer to full on dark. I do think she’ll be redeemed by series end (long time from now 😀 ) but oh boy…she has become her mother in the past and in the present.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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