Snow White/Mary Margaret Character Analysis

[fairygodmother]

I think I remember Snow saying in an early episode (Snow Falls?) that she was stealing to get enough money to go far, far away. I seem to remember that she was only stealing from the Queen, too. She was pretty remorseful about those eggs in “Red Handed,” but that was actually before her “bandit phase”…the timeline gets tricky in this show! 🙂

Snow/Mary Margaret is one of my favorite characters. I’m enjoying seeing her develop, and I think that we’ll see more dimensions to the “Mary Margaret” half as the storyline progresses.

Ginnifer Goodwin’s comment in the article Slurpeez linked to that MM is cursed, so she messes things up for herself made a lot of sense to me. Actually, I think that’s something easy to lose sight of in Storybrooke sometimes — that these characters are cursed, and they’re going to have a lot of problems because of that fact.

[charming]

I agree with Sam. If you look carefully at Regina in Stableboy and compare her to what we already know about Snow and look at what we do know about Snow you can see by the end of the episode where the two took different paths to where they are now. Going with that theory, I think Regina is not completely evil and can be turned back to a good person. The key to Regina coming back to the good side is all on Snow, Charming, Emma and Henry or maybe other characters who are close to her making her realize “the truth” about the events that made her become bad. I do believe it is her mother, the magic that she aquired and the misunderstanding of all of the events that have started with Daniels death to her killing King Leopold that made her the way she is. I also do not believe she knows the whole story. There are parts that I believe that either she wanted to not know or did not know which lead to her wanting revenge and enacting the curse.

[hjbau]

I agree charming. I think there is a possibility there that they could redeem Regina as in she could realize that she made the wrong choice and that Snow really did not mean to do what she did. It is possible. I don’t think that Regina and Snow are ever going to be happy allies or anything, but i could see them working together in some vital moment. It could happen. I am not exactly sure how they would play it out, but the possibility is there.

[sam993]

@charming wrote:

I agree with Sam. If you look carefully at Regina in Stableboy and compare her to what we already know about Snow and look at what we do know about Snow you can see by the end of the episode where the two took different paths to where they are now. Going with that theory, I think Regina is not completely evil and can be turned back to a good person. The key to Regina coming back to the good side is all on Snow, Charming, Emma and Henry or maybe other characters who are close to her making her realize “the truth” about the events that made her become bad. I do believe it is her mother, the magic that she aquired and the misunderstanding of all of the events that have started with Daniels death to her killing King Leopold that made her the way she is. I also do not believe she knows the whole story. There are parts that I believe that either she wanted to not know or did not know which lead to her wanting revenge and enacting the curse.

You don’t think there’s a point of no return with Regina? If she wants to be good, maybe it be too late by then. Maybe the only thing she can do is redeeming herself because Snow White, Charming, Emma, and Henry probably won’t help her. She will have to do it on her own. But that’s for the Regina topic. I guess when talking about Snow, you really must talk about The Evil Queen/ Regina

But to connect with Snow White, I think she understood now, as a grown woman, that what she did was a terrible mistake and that she’s trying to learn from it by doing good. Even in Snow Falls, Snow admits that she did something horrible to Regina. Yet, I really would like to see if Snow ever apologizes for the mistake she made (other than in Stable Boy).

[surayya]

TBH I dont think Snow even knows Regina’s love was murdered (she out right said the wanted poster PC held up of her & included “murder” as a charge was all ‘lies’). So other than giving away her secret, I highly doubt Snow even knows why EQ hates her some darn much (in stable boy ep Regina tells young Snow, Daniel ran away cause he wasnt in love with her- so unless Regina tells an older SW she actually got him killed, then Snow has no idea at all that he’s dead)- at least thats what all 5 of us got when we re-watched the all the eps over the Easter holidays lol

Regina was told repeatedly there was no turning back once she went down this path- she’d be empty & have an unfillable hole inside of her – however we know True love can cure/conquer everything & that Rumps has said Love; sooooo there is that way available.
Personally I think Regina is trying to be happy -She’s taken Snow’s love away from her, so why shouldnt she- however she forgot the one small detail- she wouldnt ever be able to ‘feel’ again & So she’s trying to have what she always wanted (love) but it keeps backfiring on her as she enacted the curse out of spite & revenge. That has nothing to do with Snow & is all down to & on her.

[hjbau]

I actually thought that Snow didn’t know either. I am not so sure. In Ep 7 in her letter to the queen it seems like Snow knows, but she may be talking about something else like getting between Regina and her father. I don’t know.

This is the letter:

“Dearest Stepmother,

By the time you read this, I will be dead. I understand that you will never have love in your life because of me, so it’s only fitting that I’ll be denied that same joy as well. For the sake of the kingdom. I hope my death satisfies your need for revenge allowing you to rule my father’s subjects as they deserve with compassion and a gentle hand. I know what you think you’re doing is vengeance, I prefer to think of it as sacrifice for the good of all. With that in mind, I welcome it. I want you to take my last message to heart. I’m sorry and I forgive you. “

It is just Snow talks about the Queen never having love in her life because of Snow. And how the Queen thinks of this as vengeance. And we know that Snow is aware that the Queen is trying to kill her. I just am not sure if the note makes sense unless Snow knows.

[surayya]

@hjbau wrote:

I actually thought that Snow didn’t know either. I am not so sure. In Ep 7 in her letter to the queen it seems like Snow knows, but she may be talking about something else like getting between Regina and her father. I don’t know.

This is the letter:

“Dearest Stepmother,

By the time you read this, I will be dead. I understand that you will never have love in your life because of me, so it’s only fitting that I’ll be denied that same joy as well. For the sake of the kingdom. I hope my death satisfies your need for revenge allowing you to rule my father’s subjects as they deserve with compassion and a gentle hand. I know what you think you’re doing is vengeance, I prefer to think of it as sacrifice for the good of all. With that in mind, I welcome it. I want you to take my last message to heart. I’m sorry and I forgive you. “

It is just Snow talks about the Queen never having love in her life because of Snow. And how the Queen thinks of this as vengeance. And we know that Snow is aware that the Queen is trying to kill her. I just am not sure if the note makes sense unless Snow knows.

My take on that has always been Snow knew she blew it by giving away a/the secret, maybe she finds (or figures) out later on that by telling her mother, Regina’s love left- she knows for a fact Regina doesnt love her father & then Regina goes all Ice queen on her re love- I dont think FTL SW is stupid & may have even asked out right if her telling cost Regina her love or she just put 2 & 2 together when EQ went physco on her- hardly like EQ is going to hold back once SW fathers out of the way, she could have simply stated SW cost her her true love & SW joined the dots herself. Regina is also ‘playing the game’ when she marries SW father so she would have done lil SW head in while she grew up Im thinking.

[charming]

@Sam993 wrote:

You don’t think there’s a point of no return with Regina? If she wants to be good, maybe it be too late by then. Maybe the only thing she can do is redeeming herself because Snow White, Charming, Emma, and Henry probably won’t help her. She will have to do it on her own. But that’s for the Regina topic. I guess when talking about Snow, you really must talk about The Evil Queen/ Regina.

But to connect with Snow White, I think she understood now, as a grown woman, that what she did was a terrible mistake and that she’s trying to learn from it by doing good. Even in Snow Falls, Snow admits that she did something horrible to Regina. Yet, I really would like to see if Snow ever apologizes for the mistake she made (other than in Stable Boy).

No I don’t think she is at a point of no return. None of us really do. We all should rewatch every episode and focus our attention on every scene with Regina in it (FTL and Storybrooke) where can we come to the conclusion that she is at a point of no return. For every horrible thing she has done either in FTL and Storybrooke her eyes shows some humanity. When she kills her father Henry for instance, she did correct me if I’m wrong she either said soory or goodbye to him. A cold hearted killer would have just killed and sat down and ate cocoa puffs and then gone to work.

I think after she has a self realization moment of all she did, it is possible for her to be redeemed with or without help. I do not believe she is a character that deserves to die or be killed. Anyone killing her would be no better than Cora whom I believe is the real evil one, the one who made Regina the way she is. Perhaps she is the real villian of this story if she is still alive that is. Also maybe she may be repsonsible for Rumple’s turmoil, if the two have a story together.

I do not believe the real enemy has revealed themself yet. Every character good or bad were victims in someway or another. Whether by another’s doing or themselves, everyone was victimizied. Everyone has made bad decisions in order to try for a better result or has had every good decision backfire on them. Think about it. Rewatch. Then think about some more. There maybe some truth in your theory yet there may also be some truth to mine too.

[sam993]

@charming wrote:

@Sam993 wrote:

You don’t think there’s a point of no return with Regina? If she wants to be good, maybe it be too late by then. Maybe the only thing she can do is redeeming herself because Snow White, Charming, Emma, and Henry probably won’t help her. She will have to do it on her own. But that’s for the Regina topic. I guess when talking about Snow, you really must talk about The Evil Queen/ Regina.

But to connect with Snow White, I think she understood now, as a grown woman, that what she did was a terrible mistake and that she’s trying to learn from it by doing good. Even in Snow Falls, Snow admits that she did something horrible to Regina. Yet, I really would like to see if Snow ever apologizes for the mistake she made (other than in Stable Boy).

No I don’t think she is at a point of no return. None of us really do. We all should rewatch every episode and focus our attention on every scene with Regina in it (FTL and Storybrooke) where can we come to the conclusion that she is at a point of no return. For every horrible thing she has done either in FTL and Storybrooke her eyes shows some humanity. When she kills her father Henry for instance, she did correct me if I’m wrong she either said soory or goodbye to him. A cold hearted killer would have just killed and sat down and ate cocoa puffs and then gone to work.

I think after she has a self realization moment of all she did, it is possible for her to be redeemed with or without help. I do not believe she is a character that deserves to die or be killed. Anyone killing her would be no better than Cora whom I believe is the real evil one, the one who made Regina the way she is. Perhaps she is the real villian of this story if she is still alive that is. Also maybe she may be repsonsible for Rumple’s turmoil, if the two have a story together.

I do not believe the real enemy has revealed themself yet. Every character good or bad were victims in someway or another. Whether by another’s doing or themselves, everyone was victimizied. Everyone has made bad decisions in order to try for a better result or has had every good decision backfire on them. Think about it. Rewatch. Then think about some more. There maybe some truth in your theory yet there may also be some truth to mine too.

No, you’re right she did say sorry. You’re right too, there is some humanity in her. Some part of her knows what she is doing is wrong, but she still does them. She knows the right thing to do, but she still does the wrong thing in order to benefit herself. What I’m saying is that there’s a point where all actions, all terrible actions, must be answered for. When I say, a point of no return, I’m also saying will she be forgiven for all the terrible things she’s done? I think there comes a point where you cross a line, Regina crossed it when she took everyone’s happiness away, when she killed two precious soul, when she tried to kill Mary Margaret. She tries to justify her actions, but her reasons are flawed. Regina is a sad woman who feels the world is cruel to her, but really, all the miserable things that happened to her, all the sadness she feels is her own doing She’s a complicated villain, but she still is a villain nonetheless regardless of what she feels afterwards. After all, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

[charming]

@Sam993 wrote:

@charming wrote:

@Sam993 wrote:

You don’t think there’s a point of no return with Regina? If she wants to be good, maybe it be too late by then. Maybe the only thing she can do is redeeming herself because Snow White, Charming, Emma, and Henry probably won’t help her. She will have to do it on her own. But that’s for the Regina topic. I guess when talking about Snow, you really must talk about The Evil Queen/ Regina.

But to connect with Snow White, I think she understood now, as a grown woman, that what she did was a terrible mistake and that she’s trying to learn from it by doing good. Even in Snow Falls, Snow admits that she did something horrible to Regina. Yet, I really would like to see if Snow ever apologizes for the mistake she made (other than in Stable Boy).

No I don’t think she is at a point of no return. None of us really do. We all should rewatch every episode and focus our attention on every scene with Regina in it (FTL and Storybrooke) where can we come to the conclusion that she is at a point of no return. For every horrible thing she has done either in FTL and Storybrooke her eyes shows some humanity. When she kills her father Henry for instance, she did correct me if I’m wrong she either said soory or goodbye to him. A cold hearted killer would have just killed and sat down and ate cocoa puffs and then gone to work.

I think after she has a self realization moment of all she did, it is possible for her to be redeemed with or without help. I do not believe she is a character that deserves to die or be killed. Anyone killing her would be no better than Cora whom I believe is the real evil one, the one who made Regina the way she is. Perhaps she is the real villian of this story if she is still alive that is. Also maybe she may be repsonsible for Rumple’s turmoil, if the two have a story together.

I do not believe the real enemy has revealed themself yet. Every character good or bad were victims in someway or another. Whether by another’s doing or themselves, everyone was victimizied. Everyone has made bad decisions in order to try for a better result or has had every good decision backfire on them. Think about it. Rewatch. Then think about some more. There maybe some truth in your theory yet there may also be some truth to mine too.

No, you’re right she did say sorry. You’re right too, there is some humanity in her. Some part of her knows what she is doing is wrong, but she still does them. She knows the right thing to do, but she still does the wrong thing in order to benefit herself. What I’m saying is that there’s a point where all actions, all terrible actions, must be answered for. When I say, a point of no return, I’m also saying will she be forgiven for all the terrible things she’s done? I think there comes a point where you cross a line, Regina crossed it when she took everyone’s happiness away, when she killed two precious soul, when she tried to kill Mary Margaret. She tries to justify her actions, but her reasons are flawed. Regina is a sad woman who feels the world is cruel to her, but really, all the miserable things that happened to her, all the sadness she feels is her own doing She’s a complicated villain, but she still is a villain nonetheless regardless of what she feels afterwards. After all, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Well put. I think I can go along with that. To add to this, I do not really think she knows every exact detail to all the events which brought her from there to where she is right now. I think her mother over the years had twisted her mind so much she either did not want to hear them or only heard what she wanted to. Yes, there is and should be a day of reckoning for her. Her punishment should also be the thing she lacked the most and that is to be loved and forgiven, I think then and only then will she feel worse. I can picture her eventually her crying her eyes out in front of every single Storybrooke character looking on with shock and awe.

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