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Do you guys think Regina is right and that Snow’s heart will continue to grow darker? I think Regina was just talking about her experience and that it doesn’t have to be that way for Snow. I think that with the help of her family and friends, Snow’s heart can at least stay the way it is, if not get more pure. Of course, it might take magic.
[adrotate group="5"]I think one “bad” deed doesn’t ruin an entire life. I think Regina thinks it will grow darker because from her perspective, it happened that way for her. She did one bad deed after the other. BUT I also think Snow is so sad and depressed right now that she will think she is going bad, thus she will do things she wouldn’t normally do because it how she thinks she should be acting.
So we’ll see Snow acting out but I think true love will save her in the end. And hopefully it will teach Regina a lesson that you can’t have this blood feud any more and help her move on."He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"It might grow darker, depending on what Snow is going to do next, in the future. And depending on the people around her. Snow has far better support than Regina ever had, makes it less likely that she is going down that road of evil with ease. But doesn’t make it all impossible.
From a story telling point of view would find it rather intriguing to let her become darker (very much enjoyed what they did with Willow on Buffy), but I’m not sure if they would dare to do it with such an iconic character for a family show, that is something more for cable.
@RumplesGirl wrote:
I think one “bad” deed doesn’t ruin an entire life. I think Regina thinks it will grow darker because from her perspective, it happened that way for her. She did one bad deed after the other. BUT I also think Snow is so sad and depressed right now that she will think she is going bad, thus she will do things she wouldn’t normally do because it how she thinks she should be acting.
So we’ll see Snow acting out but I think true love will save her in the end. And hopefully it will teach Regina a lesson that you can’t have this blood feud any more and help her move on.If it can ruin one’s life depends on how bad that one bad deed was. Or is seen.
Regina wasn’t raised by her mother to be a good and fair queen, she was raised to go for power no matter what cost. Snow on the other hand was raised to be a good and fair queen, that the power she is given has to be used for the good and welfare of her people. Now how we are raised doesn’t determine all what what we are and do later, but it has great influence. Regina and Snow were raised with a different set of ethics, and what is good and what bad is sometimes a matter of perspective.
I’ve noticed that a lot of people find it not so understandable why Snow is struggling with what she did, though it might be for Snow less about that she had a hand in killing Cora but more about how she did it. Don’t want to discuss here, if Cora deserved to die, that is not really interesting if wanting to understand where Snow it right now. Looking at where Snow was before, what her self-image and image others had of her was before. What image others have of Snow they let David tell: Snow has the purest heart of anyone ever known. Sure not the way Regina would describe her, nor how Snow sees herself, but I think Snow is aware of that image. And as I said before, she was raised to be good and fair. The contrast between the decision she made as teenager when her mother was dying to the decision she made now saving Rumple’s life by killing Cora can’t be any bigger.
I’m glad that they portrait it the way they do. It might have been the right choice, but it takes a toll to make such decisions, it should never come easy. That is what makes a difference between good and evil, one side cares, the other doesn’t, and different from Mr Gold I say, never try to talk yourself out of the dilemma such decisions brings, take it as it is.
While Snow might have not seen herself as pure of heart as David did see her, pretty sure she was seeing herself as someone doing the right thing, and mostly the good thing. She was at least always trying (exception when she was under the influence of Rumple’s potion). Killing someone with full intent is something she before never considered as the right thing to do (maybe in combat situation, but do have doubts she was at any ease doing so even in combat). She still doesn’t do, but for a moment she acted differently, and that plagues her now. She acted against a basic principle of her view on life. How will she ever again be able to tell herself and others that killing someone is the wrong thing to do, even if it sometimes might seem otherwise? She can’t, her own believe system is crumbling.
The dark spot on her heart doesn’t merely visualize that Snow did something bad, wrong (or the way she did it was wrong, again, not discussing here if Cora deserved to die), it stands for a loss, a loss of faith and of empathy. That’s how I see it.
That means by the way, that I do think, that in Once it should be possible that a heart heals, so to speak, it might not become totally pure again, but it should be possible, not easy though, to reverse the process.
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If it can ruin one’s life depends on how bad that one bad deed was. Or is seen.
Regina wasn’t raised by her mother to be a good and fair queen, she was raised to go for power no matter what cost. Snow on the other hand was raised to be a good and fair queen, that the power she is given has to be used for the good and welfare of her people. Now how we are raised doesn’t determine all what what we are and do later, but it has great influence. Regina and Snow were raised with a different set of ethics, and what is good and what bad is sometimes a matter of perspective.
Well, this is why I put the word bad in quotation marks. As a viewer, on the outside as it were, I think what Snow did is justifiable and was necessary. Rumple was powerless, Regina wouldn’t have turned on her mother (despite mounting evidence that Cora wasn’t really on her side) and had Cora succeeded in killing Rumple, Cora would have become even far worse than she was (but I’m putting aside the debate on whether or not Cora deserved to die). But from Snow’s perspective, what she did goes completely against who she envisions herself to be. It ruins her life if she lets it, if she lets it eat away at her, if she tells herself that what she did was unacceptable because it doesn’t fit with the “Snow White” she has always believed herself to be. Snow may begin acting out in unexpected ways because she feels she’s lost her identity and, after seeing her heart, her “new identity” is as someone with a blackened heart. What Snow needs to come to understand is that this one incident doesn’t color the rest of her life. She can still be good and be Snow and be the good person she’s always tired to be, but that sometimes we have to make really horrible choices that may (again, avoiding the whole did Cora deserve to die debate) be for the greater good. Just because Regina showed her a black spot on her heart and said Snow would turn evil, doesn’t mean Snow has to. What matters now are the actions she takes next.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"We also don’t know if Snow’s heart is actually turning dark, or if Regina was able to make it appear as if it were. Regina could have realized in that moment that the potential for Snow to “turn on herself” would do more damage than Regina ever could. So she could have decided to help that process along by showing her a “darkening” heart.
@LaurieAnne wrote:
We also don’t know if Snow’s heart is actually turning dark, or if Regina was able to make it appear as if it were. Regina could have realized in that moment that the potential for Snow to “turn on herself” would do more damage than Regina ever could. So she could have decided to help that process along by showing her a “darkening” heart.
Highly doubt that. Seeing how much Snow already has been beating herself up about what she did before, there is no need for Regina (or the writers) to further that with a faked dark spot on Snow’s heart. Regina could have just let her go without ripping her heart and showing that spot and Snow still would be beating herself up about what she did and ravel in self-doubt more and more.
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Ginny Goodwin in SFX Magazine (November 2013): light spoilers!
Ginnifer Goodwin
Once Upon a Time‘s Snow White is finding Neverland in season three.
A Bumpy Ride
“The trip to Neverland is fraught with good intentions. I think I can say our intended destination is reached but we’re going to have to put our egos aside and come together if we’re not going to kill each other. We’re going to have to figure out who can help us here because the rules of every realm are different. We know we’d never be so foolish to use our Prince Charming/Snow White tactics in another realm.”
Her Dark Heart
“I think this is Snow’s cross she bears throughout the beginning of the season. I’ve only seen a couple of scripts and I know very little of what’s to come, but Snow has to come together. She’s going to have to reconcile these two disparate ends of herself to be useful to anybody [in Neverland]. Hopefully, it will inspire her to address they grey parts of herself.”
Fatal Flaw
“Trust is one of her biggest downfalls and flaws. She gives everyone the benefit of the doubt all the time. I find it incredibly annoying. Gee, isn’t it a sock her that the queen lied to her again? She gives everybody 400,000 chances. She’s a bit of a doormat that way.”
Sea Legs
“I am covered in bruises you can’t see through the make-up but I’m beaten to shreds. Is that a term? It is now. The bruises are literally from the rocking of the ship and I am clumsy as clumsy can be. I think I ran into, and broke, a lot of things on the pirate ship.”
Happily Ever After
“Her happy ending for sure would be living with Prince Charming and Emma and Henry and eight dwarves in a castle in the Enchanted Forest.”
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Ginnifer Goodwin gave a great interview about Snow back at the start of S3:
“Once Upon a Time” returns this Sunday (Sept. 29 at 8 p.m. ET on ABC), and after seeing the first two episodes of Season 3, it’s safe to say that the fantasy series has confidently recaptured the magic that first enchanted us when it premiered.
HuffPost TV caught up with star Ginnifer Goodwin (Snow White/Mary Margaret) to find out what she could preview about the new season, which finds our heroes — Snow, Charming (Josh Dallas) and Emma (Jennifer Morrison) — trapped on a boat with the show’s villains, Regina (Lana Parrilla), Rumplestiltskin (Robert Carlyle) and Hook (Colin O’Donoghue) on a desperate quest to rescue Henry (Jared Gilmore) from the clutches of a not-so-friendly Peter Pan.
Read on for Goodwin’s thoughts on Snow and Regina’s tumultuous relationship, her attempts to mend her relationship with daughter Emma, and whether she’ll find herself tempted by her darker side in Neverland.
What is Snow’s reaction to being trapped in close quarters with Regina after everything they’ve been through?
The truth is — Lana and I have talked about this a billion times — clearly, deep down these women love each other, because they could’ve done away with each other a million times. I know that the Evil Queen has technically tried to kill Snow before, and as an audience member I find it incredibly annoying that Snow has given the Evil Queen like four hundred chances, and to me, in some ways Snow defines crazy; it’s that whole ‘what is the definition of crazy? Repeating the same actions and expecting different results.’ But we’ve talked about the fact that there have been so many times since the poisoned apple episode where The Evil Queen could’ve actually killed Snow and has decided not to up to this point. But they do absolutely hate each other; over that tiny little nugget of love, there are layers of hate, so sticking them on a boat together and knowing that they need each other in order to achieve their goal — which is saving Henry — is going to lead to chaos.How is Snow’s relationship with Emma when the season kicks off?
What I find is such a relief this year — and it’s one thing I’ve talked about with Jennifer Morrison a lot — is we’re so relieved that we get to address the relationship between these characters this season. Last season, we felt that the story was so exciting and there was so much adventure that we were distracted from each other and from this relationship. Every time we went to address this dynamic in our past and where we are now, something would interfere — there would be some obstacle that would keep us from finishing that conversation. And so now that we are stuck together, there is gonna be ample opportunity to really face ourselves, and therefore face each other. I think that given the fact that Emma would clearly have abandonment issues, and that Snow would carry around an immense amount of guilt, there’s a lot there to play.Hook is clearly pretty interested in Emma; how’s Snow feeling about him this season?
Hook’s a little slick for Snow, he’s the king of innuendo. She’s someone who does clearly have an achilles heel in empathy, and she forgives people again and again and again and again. But with Hook, I think there are definitely some trust issues given what happened last season. But he has been, since the very end of last season, proving himself, which does bode well for him in Snow’s eyes.Everyone’s obviously focused on getting Henry back, but judging by the episodes you’ve shot so far, what would you say Snow’s personal journey is in the first half of Season 3?
Right, everyone’s first priority is to get Henry, and to hold the family together — and everyone thinks their family is defined by very different family members from the next character, but we do all have the same goal. [Laughs.] And as for Snow’s personal journey … The first season she was clearly two completely different human beings, because she had different memories, which makes for a different life experience. The second season I thought was going to be about reconciling these disparate characters, but what really ended up happening was that Snow and Mary Margaret ended up sort of being smushed together in a mash-up, and you would have Snow’s faults and Mary Margaret’s weaknesses really interfering with things and the two different parts of her were holding her back — the negative qualities from each of the characters. And she would also fluctuate between being Mary Margaret and being Snow, even in the present, as opposed to being one fully-formed person. And so to me, this season is about creating one fully-formed person, who of course is still going to have faults and weaknesses, but is gonna be able to navigate them, whereas last season she had no idea how to navigate those things and the darkness would clearly take over.Speaking of that darkness: Snow clearly struggled with her dark heart last season — do you think this quest to Neverland will tempt her back into doing some not-so-heroic things in the name of getting Henry back?
I think that it’s about asking that question, for sure, I can’t say whether or not she’s going to follow through with things, because maybe she will and maybe she won’t, but she absolutely has to face that part of herself and face the darkness she sees in others. I think a big part of this season is about where you can put your ego aside, for all of us: Where do you let go of your self-definition and integrity? Where do you compromise to get what you think you need and want? When do you put yourself aside for the greater good? It’s really juicy.What can you preview about Episode 2?
I loved that episode. Talking about putting qualities of yourself aside in order to achieve the greater good … there’s an incredible opportunity for Prince Charming to maybe compromise one of his own qualities, compromise some of his own integrity to help Snow find her integrity. And ultimately, he clearly feels that it’s in an effort to achieve a greater good.Can you tease anything about Episode 6, which will introduce Ariel?
I can say that Snow and Ariel cross paths, and I’m very excited about it. [Laughs.]"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
Well, we’ve done Emma, Rumple, Belle, and Regina. I think Snow should be next!
I want to start with an observation of my own. I think, either intentionally or unintentionally, the writers have changed Snow White from their S1 version. When we met Snow for her first real centric in S1 “Snow Falls” she was a bandit–living on her own, dressed in furs, dealing with trolls, stealing from the Queen (and others), she was no damsel in distress.
Over the course of S3B I became quite irritated that the writers made Snow seem almost stupid and helpless. I want to note that I understand GG was pregnant and couldn’t very well be climbing trees and such, but they made Snow seem like a simpleton. Zelena couldn’t have been more “Wicked Witch” if she tried, but Snow saw none of it. She became someone who had to have others protecting her instead of being able to suss out the danger herself. Now this isn’t some feminist critique where I’m claiming that a woman shouldn’t have help in keeping herself safe, but rather they seriously dumb down Snow White. As if they think pregnancy makes you stupid. She has become more cliche Snow White–she of the wide eyed overly trusting girl like naivete–than the Snow we met in S1.
So my opening questions are: Do you agree? And if not, why? And maybe more to the point, how do you think Snow White has changed since S1?
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"
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