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I liked Snow in season two but it felt like in season three, the writers decided to dumb her down a lot. Her eternal optimism was still there but instead of being a friend to Emma in Neverland (which is what Emma needed), she became what described RG. It’s like the writers decided that she should not be a blend of Mary Margaret and Snow, but just what Snow was like before she met Prince Charming.
[adrotate group="5"]Season 1 SNow White:
Parts I loved, parts I hated….it doesn’t take a new Oncer to know what parts I hated, but I loved that she wasn’t a damsel in distress, but a kick(beep) bandit! Very nice twist. However keeping secrets…Snow White just isn’t good at the job. Mary Margret was also a nice take a more human Snow White.
Season 2 Snow White:
Because I really hated Season 2, I’m choosing not to comment on too much. All I have to ask is…one minute, the dark heart is there, next season, it’s never mentioned again.
Season 3A Snow White:
Boy…how far we’ve come with Miss White. 3A Snow White was annoying as (beep) to me…first of all, if you’re going to start a fight with a Queen, make sure you can take her first. And please folks, never tell Snow White a secret, I think someone cursed the White Family with an Honesty Spell. Ava telling secrets, Snow telling secrets…Leopold is the only man as far as we know has never told a secret.
Season 3B Snow White:
Okay….a much better take on Snow White minus the incredible naivety she possessed. As @RumplesGirl said, Zelena was dressed from head to toe in black, with a black hat and cap….and this Snowflake never noticed. Then I felt Snow wasn’t as bad(beep) as she was in S1…I know she was pregnant, but least Snow could have done was defend her self defense, and her and Charming have a small argument about her pregnancy, but desire to get in on the action.
But I feel that Adam and Eddy were trying to recreate the Cora and Snow naïve scene, only with Zelena and Snow instead.
But I did grow to like Snow White toward the end of Season 3. She sincerely apologized for Daniel’s death, and realized that her and her family shouldn’t be as self righteous as they were…because Mama Ava had a bit of darkness in her, and I’m eager to find out what changed her. But Season 3B Snow White has been my favorite Snow White so far.
But overall, I did question Snow and David with names….like…naming your son after your daughter’s ex boyfriend who left her in jail…..okkayyyyy then. Now I’m wondering where the name Emma came from….did they name her after one of David’s ex girlfriends or something? 😛
And of course it was nice to see Regina and Snow slowly set themselves down the road to a type of Mother/Daughter relationship, which we caught a glimpse of in Bleeding Through. Regina was all MamaBear on Cora, protecting Snow White. That was brilliant.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Okay….a much better take on Snow White minus the incredible naivety she possessed. As @RumplesGirl said, Zelena was dressed from head to toe in black, with a black hat and cap….and this Snowflake never noticed. Then I felt Snow wasn’t as bad(beep) as she was in S1…I know she was pregnant, but least Snow could have done was defend her self defense, and her and Charming have a small argument about her pregnancy, but desire to get in on the action.
It felt like every Snow and Charming scene in 3B was about how “dull” and idiotic they are. The writers seem to think that they should be the comic relief by making them seem stupid. And it’s not just S3B
“But…I’m his grandfather”
“you can have more than one…”
And then in 317, they go for a walk on the beach , literally MOMENTS after Regina has put up a protection spell around MM’s apartment to guard her against Zelena. So let’s go for a walk in the rain?????
Or Snow and Charming with Henry’s driving lessons….????
Snow I think is becoming a bit like Belle in that she’s not very believable sometimes. I get that HOPE is her mantra but I so think holding on to that and refusing to give up no matter what is a bit….too fantasy? She’s been living in our world for how long now? And she has seen and done things that should help her understand that sometimes hope is really really really really impossibly hard. And that should be okay. Because you can’t cling to hope you feel horrible that you’re unable to hold on to this concept, which only make you feel more inferior. Snow’s constant “if I ever let go of hope, I am lost…” tends to go over my head as almost eye roll worthy.
But in S1 she was this cliche hope spouting simpleton. She knew what it was to be hurt and to have hurt others. She knew she ruined Regina’s life, and how horrible she felt over that. Instead of talking to Charming about true love and hope when she met him, she openly mocks his bride to be and his future marriage. In short: I think they’ve turned her into the Disney cartoon.
And of course it was nice to see Regina and Snow slowly set themselves down the road to a type of Mother/Daughter relationship, which we caught a glimpse of in Bleeding Through. Regina was all MamaBear on Cora, protecting Snow White. That was brilliant.
Well. Hm. While I like that they got closer I don’t like how it was done in Bleeding Through. I liked how it was done in NYC Serenade. In 312 it was just the two of them in the woods. They GOT each other, after long last, they understood one another. It wasn’t about Cora, or Daniel or anyone else. Just them. But in Bleeding Through suddenly we had to rip apart Snow’s family as “maybe EVIL!?!?!?” for the sake of making these two women come together but they were already on their way without needing to make Snow’s family look silly. I had a lot of issues with that episode in general, but A and E think they need to make the ‘good” guys look bad in order to make the “bad” guys look good.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"How cute is this??? I Love IT!!!
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
Snow White has changed over the course of the series so far and not for the better sadly.
In season 1, Snow was very capable: Of taking care of herself, of looking out for the people she loved and for taking no crap from anybody. She could be stubborn, determined, self-sacrificial and perhaps too emotional at times. Dark Snow after she took the memory potion was brilliant. Charming and Snow had the constant “I will find you” which began to grate after a while but overall Snow was an interesting take on the character.
Season 2 is where Snow started on her downward slope. She started to patronise Emma and “mother” her even though Emma didn’t want that and despite Charming telling Snow to give Emma space, she still went ahead and ignored him. Snow seemed to call the shots in the Snowing relationship, she said jump and Charming asked how high. Then there was the whole dark heart storyline that went absolutely nowhere where we had to put up with Snow moaning and whining about it.
Then season 3 came along and Snow was so irritating. In Neverland, she ignored both Hook and Charming’s plan to verify the truth in Pan’s info about Neal and then tell Emma by blurting out to Emma that Neal was alive and sending Emma’s emotions in a spin all because Snow didn’t want to keep the secret. Snow didn’t even try, she was better at keeping secrets as a child. Then in the echo cave, Snow’s secret was just such an awful thing to say to Emma. Season 1 Snow and even season 2 Snow would never have been that tactless and insensitive. Snow basically wanted another child, not because she wanted to expand the family, but because Emma was no longer a child so Snow couldn’t play mommy to her. It was like she was blaming Emma for growing up.
In 3B, Snow was so gullible, it was ridiculous. There’s an evil witch on the loose, but hey, invite the random stranger who you’ve never met before with an overly keen interest in your unborn child into the house. Don’t bother staying put in the apartment which has been protected to keep the WW out, go wondering around Storybrooke in the wide open. Your husband’s busy trying to find the WW, henpeck him into dropping it all just to meet the midwife and nag him because he doesn’t seem to be enthusiastic about it because he has other more important things on his mind.
Zelena couldn’t have acted more witchy or suspicious if she tried yet Snow still didn’t cotton on. Yet in season 2, when Regina disguised herself as a peasant, one tiny slip up and Snow immediately recognised it was Regina in disguise.
Calling the baby Neal was so insensitive to Emma and Henry. As a middle name it would’ve been okay but as a first name, especially when they barely knew Neal, it just seemed like Snowing were trying to pretend that they really cared for Neal. Snow seemed to be a bit overly pro-Neal though so maybe that’s where it came from.
Charming has actually become the more likeable one out of Snowing as the series has progressed.
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Keeper of FelixCalling the baby Neal was so insensitive to Emma and Henry. As a middle name it would’ve been okay but as a first name, especially when they barely knew Neal, it just seemed like Snowing were trying to pretend that they really cared for Neal. Snow seemed to be a bit overly pro-Neal though so maybe that’s where it came from.
Ok, while I hate that they named the baby Neal, Snow DID care for Neal. There was no pretending. When Belle arrives at the castle to give the news, it’s Snow who is sad that Neal is dead. “Neal’s…dead??” she asks, very upset. Everyone else thinks about Rumple. And when Neal “dies” again in SB, it’s Snow that Emma turns to because Snow DOES like Neal. Also, is overly pro-Neal supposed to be an insult? Is she not allowed to like her grandson’s father? Is she supposed to loathe and curse him? Is that what you want? Whatever else went on in the past with Emma, Neal is the one who got that message to Hook and then subsequently got Hook to Emma and Emma to SB to save everyone. And maybe they don’t know that, but the audience does and so do the writers. So, unless you mean to insult every fan of every character who really loves their favorite, I don’t know why being “overly pro-Neal” is a bad thing any more than being “overly pro-Hook” or “overly pro-Regina” or “overly pro-Belle”
Sounds like everyone agrees with me about Snow changing. So the question becomes…why? Did the writers do it intentionally or unintentionally.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Also, is overly pro-Neal supposed to be an insult? Is she not allowed to like her grandson’s father? Is she supposed to loathe and curse him? Is that what you want? Whatever else went on in the past with Emma, Neal is the one who got that message to Hook and then subsequently got Hook to Emma and Emma to SB to save everyone. And maybe they don’t know that, but the audience does and so do the writers. So, unless you mean to insult every fan of every character who really loves their favorite, I don’t know why being “overly pro-Neal” is a bad thing any more than being “overly pro-Hook” or “overly pro-Regina” or “overly pro-Belle”
Overly pro-Neal in the way that Snow was trying to push Emma towards Neal rather than letting Emma make her own decision. Snow approved of Neal therefore she wanted Emma to end up with Neal. Never meant to be an insult.
Sounds like everyone agrees with me about Snow changing. So the question becomes…why? Did the writers do it intentionally or unintentionally.
I think Snow has become too Mary-Margaretish whereas Charming became more Charming than David Nolan. I don’t think the writers have necessarily done it intentionally (and it could perhaps be Ginny’s delivery of the lines, some characters have had terrible lines they have to sell. I’m not saying that as an insult to Ginny’s acting, she’s great, but if she has to sell that Snow wouldn’t suspect Zelena of being the witch despite the obvious, then Snow is going to come off as a bit thick).
I think part of the problem in 3B was that they needed to make Regina save the day and she couldn’t do that if the Charmings were capable of handling it themselves and dealing with things in a logical manner. Therefore Snowing became “the two idiots” in order to make Regina look extra good.
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Keeper of FelixI think Snow has become too Mary-Margaretish whereas Charming became more Charming than David Nolan.
I sorta disagree about Charming but I’ll save him for his own thread in a few days. But overall, I think they are both being written as “the old married couple” as if the writers don’t know how to write a compelling story for two people who are married with kids. So the focus turns to the angst of the others.
As a side note: if Snow calls herself Mary Margaret one more time….*head desk* I hate that. So much.
I think part of the problem in 3B was that they needed to make Regina save the day and she couldn’t do that if the Charmings were capable of handling it themselves and dealing with things in a logical manner. Therefore Snowing became “the two idiots” in order to make Regina look extra good.
And I think this is absolutely true. Which is a serious writing problem. If you have to make your heroes look like inept morons in order to elevate the bad guys, then you’re doing something wrong.
What happens to Snow in S4 is either going to be extremely annoying or (hopefully) a bit of a comeback. I don’t have a problem with the villains being redeemed and helping to save the day, but I do have an issue of watering down the original heroes in the process.
New thought for those interested: Snow as a mother vs Snow as a friend. Which do you think she’s better and which does Emma need more? And is it necessarily mutually exclusive.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Okay….I will admit that Snow White cared for Neal in a since, but naming your son after him. I mean, he’s your daughter’s ex boyfriend!!! I personally believe naming the baby Leopold after her father would have made just a tad more sense than after your daughter’s ex boyfriend!
I can’t get pass that, Adam Neal Nolan….or Charles Neal Nolan….don’t get me wrong, Neal Nolan has a nice ring to it, but it’s your daughter’s ex! It’s gonna take me a very long time for me to get used to that name, so I maybe just referring to the baby as Baby Snowflake till I get used to his name.
And quite frankly….Emma needs Snow White more as a friend, rather than a mother. Emma is thirty years old with her thirty year old mother…just, no. Those years, they can never get back. Acknowledge that Snow White is Emma’s mother, but their relationship needs to be more of a friendship…
Emma’s friendship with Mary Margret in S1 was SOOOO Much better than what we’ve got now….
And if Adam and Eddy need inspiration writing about a married couple, they need to watch either I Love Lucy or Desperate Housewives. Personally…if Outlaw Queen, Rumbelle, and CaptainSwan are facing problems in S4….I need for Snowing to get some issues too. I always wondered how strong their love really was…like what if the Black Fairy seduced Charming…
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
What happens to Snow in S4 is either going to be extremely annoying or (hopefully) a bit of a comeback. I don’t have a problem with the villains being redeemed and helping to save the day, but I do have an issue of watering down the original heroes in the process.
I hope we see the protective mother in Snow come out again like this.
New thought for those interested: Snow as a mother vs Snow as a friend. Which do you think she’s better and which does Emma need more? And is it necessarily mutually exclusive.
This is a difficult one. I don’t think a parent can really be the friend of their child. A friend is on an equal standing with the child whilst a parent is an authority figure and therefore a higher position.
The Snow/Emma relationship is complicated, perhaps more so than the Charming/Emma relationship, since Emma knew Snow as MM and was close friends with her before the curse was broken. When the curse was broken, Snow tried to take on the mother role but Emma still saw her as a friend rather than a parent. In Neverland, Emma still sees Snow as MM and a friend rather than her mother and admitted that she still felt like an orphan. Snow’s confession in the echo cave (Hate that scene) did nothing to make Emma really feel loved. Stating that the current relationship with your daughter is “not what I wanted” when said daughter has severe abandonment issues is not the brightest move. Snow seemed to give up on being a mother to Emma and baby Neal is the replacement so Snow can get to play mommy to a child.
In the 3B finale, Emma acknowledged Snowing as “mom and dad” without the threat of imminent death looming over them. However, I don’t see Emma suddenly playing doting daughter when she has spent 28 years without parents, it wouldn’t be a role that comes naturally to Emma. So Whilst I could see Emma somewhat acknowledging Snowing as her parents and calling them mom and dad, I don’t see her treating them as a child would normally treat their parents.
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