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I’ve been thinking about this for awhile and feel like we might get answers sometime soon so wanted to throw this out before then!
After watching Lady of the Lake, I went back and rewatched everything else and something struck me. In the pilot, at their big wedding, Snow puts her hand over her stomach. It seemed like nothing at the time, but after learning that Snow and Charming were already married, it made me wonder.
We time jump a few months in the pilot but we’ve never known how much. Same with not knowing when Cinderella’s wedding fits into things even though she gave birth fairly soon after Snow did (technically – Emma was born and Ashley was extremely pregnant so it’s fairly close).
There was some confusion at the time with Lady of the Lake and Ruth’s necklace. Some thought Snow was already pregnant and others said that Ruth’s necklace told you the first born’s gender (this I think is accurate), so Snow knew she would have a girl, not that she was actually pregnant. But again…they did just get married, and we don’t know how soon they had their big wedding that we saw in the pilot so sometime between those two is still an option.
So seeing the BTS shots for 3×10 where we will go back to the big wedding and then take off from there go to the Snowing honeymoon / aftermath of the EQ’s threat, or so it sounds, I hope we get some answers. It struck me, seeing Ginny in that white dress again, how funny it was because the last time she was in it, I thought Snow was pregnant, and now this time she’s in it, Ginny actually is!
When I was attempting to find something else in the official podcast last night, I only made it through a couple of them but something they talked about was keeping track of their timeline and what events happened where and the wording that seemed to just be flip-flopped suddenly took on new meaning.
Kitsis used this as an example of figuring out the timing and said “how much took place between the pregnancy and the wedding” – not the wedding and the pregnancy. To most of us, it’s interchangeable. We knew what he meant. It was important to figure out how much time passed so we knew when Emma was born compared to everything else we saw. Totally makes sense. But what if he really meant it in that order? What if (and they hadn’t shown 2×03 yet), what if it went small wedding, pregnancy, big wedding?
It was probably a very short amount of time but it’s at least plausible, right? We don’t know how long it took before they got the big wedding or where they went in the meantime, but they were technically married by then so it’s not too big of a stretch (and would ease some people’s minds that I’m even suggesting such a thing I’m sure).
I hope we learn for sure in 3×10 where we’re supposed to pick up from the big wedding and then move forward. It might be a case like with Cinderella & Thomas where we see Charming learning that Snow is pregnant and have it take place later on, or there might be mention of wondering if anyone could tell etc etc. I’d love to find out when Charming actually learned though!
I’m almost positive that there was a moment in the pilot where Snow put her hand on her stomach as though protecting it but at the time it didn’t mean much. Now….now I wonder.
Just wanted to throw this possible timeline out before we find out for sure what happened which is likely to have some gaps filled in soon and see what people think!
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There was some confusion at the time with Lady of the Lake and Ruth’s necklace. Some thought Snow was already pregnant and others said that Ruth’s necklace told you the first born’s gender (this I think is accurate), so Snow knew she would have a girl, not that she was actually pregnant. But again…they did just get married, and we don’t know how soon they had their big wedding that we saw in the pilot so sometime between those two is still an option.
From Lady of the Lake:
Ruth: My mother gave this to me when I was pregnant. She said it was spelled by a gypsy to predict the sex of your first-born, even before you’re with child.
So both options you are presenting are possible.
The question comes down to: how long was the war? How long in between Lady of the Lake and the Cricket Game. We know Belle was locked up for 3 years by Regina (that has been confirmed) and that right after Belle left and was kidnapped, Regina did her whole “I am Ursula” thing while Snow was still a bandit, but after she met Charming, the intervening month. So over the three years until them moment of the Curse you have: Heart of Darkness stuff plus the apple incident plus engagement plus war.
Heart of Darkness and the apple incident are pretty close together, as is the engagement. (thinking out loud now). We know Snow was like 2 months pregnant at Cinderella’s wedding, which was right after HER BIG wedding.
Well that answers it, doesn’t it?
She got pregnant most likely the night after the big wedding from the pilot.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I like both options that have been presented. I doubt we will ever see conception because lol family show. But I like that anything can become a question with our show. I want to see more of the war against Regina the fight against King George I know there si good story there. However since they are doing mroe Snowing backstory this season I think we will see more of those two stories.
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I think we’ll know for sure by the end of 3×10. I’m thinking it’ll be a line somewhere or possibly show Charming’s reaction to finding out he’s going to be a dad (I hope we get a scene like that!)
Wow a lot of things happened between LotL and the pilot. I still think that Snow could have been pregnant before the big wedding (they were already married so even if it’s just a little bit / enough to guess maybe) because I feel like they had that moment in the pilot for a reason BUT lots of things have changed from the pilot too though so it could have just been a random thing.
If we’re going to get down to where we say we think it’s the day after the wedding then it could easily have been sometime shortly before it as well. I agree that the timeline with Cinderella gets a bit dicey though.
I’m sure *someone out there* knows how many days passed between the pilot and 1×04 when Alexandra was born, but even with that there’s always the possibility that she was a little premature or something. There’s not a HUGE gap between them and we don’t know exactly when a lot of stuff happened, but there are a number of factors.
I agree it’s likely to have happened around the time of the big wedding though. I just thought it was interesting since we know for sure they were married for awhile before that, and the irony struck me when I saw the pics of Ginny back in that wedding dress now that she IS pregnant since I thought a long time ago that maybe just maybe Snow was in the pilot.
So we shall see! Maybe we’ll either see some time pass and get to see Charming find out or there will be some line that clues us in like “Do you think anybody noticed?” which would be funny, especially considering the fact that Ginny IS pregnant. I’ll be very curious to see what scenes from the pilot we’ll see again and IF they do the hand thing again.
Mostly a crackpot theory more than likely, but one that should hopefully be put to rest soon. (And I really do want to see Charming find out! We know when he finds out it’s a girl but we don’t know when he finds out about the baby in the first place – at least none that I can remember and I feel like I would. We get so few father/daughter moments to begin with!)
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One more thing – Alexandra and Emma aren’t that far apart. Emma wasn’t in SB all that long before Alexandra was born. We also don’t know for sure how far apart the big Snowing wedding was, and Cinderella/Thomas’ wedding, but the kids themselves aren’t that far apart so I’m not sure you’re getting this 2 month thing from as far as Snowing pregnancy and Cinderella’s wedding.
Ashley could have gone into premature labor or something as well, but pretty sure that Emma can’t have been in SB too long before she was born which means that the two weddings are closer together (or at least could be).
So even if Snow was pregnant before the wedding and knew about it, their wedding could have been shortly followed by Cinderella & Thomas’ and Alexandra came shortly after that, putting her not too far behind Emma.
That whole section of the timeline needs work for sure. Cinderella’s stuff happened very quickly with Rumple’s help and I’m fuzzy on the details, it’s been awhile since we’ve seen her. I know Snowing were at her wedding but then we jumped forward just like we did with Snowing. We need to fill in some of those gaps and hopefully we do fairly soon! I can’t even remember how/why Snowing actually knew Cinderella in the first place much less to tie them all together. We know they were friends because we saw them at the wedding and then they helped with the Rumple problem, but my mind is drawing a complete blank about anything else that might give us a better idea of where things come together.
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so I’m not sure you’re getting this 2 month thing from as far as Snowing pregnancy and Cinderella’s wedding
From Adam. They’ve said that Snow was pregnant at the wedding of Ella and Thomas. (Maybe it was 2 weeks instead of 2 months)
As for not being far apart. That’s true. Emma was born in October and then once time started moving again, Alexandra was born about a week or so after Emma came to town. But at any rate, we do know that Ella’s wedding and her whole story from 104, Price of Gold, are some of the last events to happen in FTL before the Curse. Ella hadn’t progressed much further in her pregnancy from FTL of the past to when she gave birth in 104.
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"Emma was in Storybrooke for about 6 days before Alexandra was born (I have pretty good evidence that she was born the 28th of October–Emma’s birthday is the 22nd). Emma was born a little early, so it’s possible that Cinderella actually got pregnant first–and Snow and Charming were at her wedding, as a couple. Though if Adam said otherwise, that’s fine, too.
However…The connection between Ariel and Skin Deep and Roland’s age means that I now think Charming and Snow met 4 (+28) years ago (from where we are right now, so about 3 years before the curse). I had put their meeting a bit closer to the curse before. But with 3 years to fill, it’s okay for them not to be pregnant before the public wedding, isn’t it?
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@ Mystery Kat 25 there’s a good reason why you don’t know about the relationship between snow and dAvid and ella and Thomas as friends, and that is it was just introduced for that oen episode and enver explained. whether they will explain it since it seems as fi the actress si offf the show is up in the air for the moment. although maybe the actress will return since we saw her on w.l. pilot. anyways just wanted to try to clarify.
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