So everyone's just going to take Zelena's word?

[Myril]

There is a good advice for all storytellers: Keep it simple. The more complex you make a story, the more you risk plot holes and inconsistency you have to patch up painfully. OUaT already is quite complex sometimes in the story and even more so with plots (the way the story is told). And that is something that strongly speaks for me against Zelena not telling the truth, against Zelana playing some even more complicate scheme on Regina, Rumple and everybody. I was no fan of the idea of Wicked Sisters, still am not all convinced of it being the best way to drive the story, but they introduced it well enough to me to make it believable, that Zelena is Regina’s half sister. Her motives coming from that, or more her story, it’s not so much that she is Regina’s sister but what is implied with that, offers strong motives and more than one layer to it. It will be hard enough to follow, what Zelena is exactly doing with Storybrooke and why and what the full background will be with Cora, Rumple and Oz. The majority of viewers are people not thinking all day and night about all the possible branches and roots and depth and twists of OUaT.

But of course, the writers might try to have another big twist, never can be sure unless it’s shown.

[theoniongirl]

I was talking to a friend who’s an OUAT fan today and she was exclaiming over the sisters reveal. “I NEVER saw that coming!” And she was flabbergasted by Rumple being alive.

Just goes to show we’re all a little crazy, I guess. 🙂

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[lorem ipsum]

lorem ipsum wrote:

My first initial thought was that Zelena is not Regina’s sister, but the jilted fiancé or promised one (like through an arranged marriage) of King Leopold’s. That Leopold was to marry Zelena (or so she though) but when Regina saved Snow he changed his mind. And now Zelena wants everything Regina has/had because in her mind it should have been hers. As to how she got to Oz (born there, wizard her father maybe) or why she’s green (green with envy literally) I don’t know. Just my first knee jerk thought as to who she is and the reason for her going after Regina. Hell hath no fury….

I think you may have nailed it! The sister act is was a stepping stone get to Regina (Leopold’s 2nd wife) and possibly manipulate her. Her focus in Storybrooke is on Snow & baby snow (Leopold’s treasured daughter & future grandchild). She sent her #1 Flying Monkey to keep tabs on Emma and Henry (grand child #1 and great grandson) and who knows what would have happened if Emma had married Walsh. Zelena out for everyone that Leopold loved and to extinguish their happiness. If you were to connect the dots to all the characters Zelena is focused on the only common connection is Leopold not Cora.

 

Yeaaa someone agrees with me. Or at least likes me theory 🙂 Yes I agree with you that the connection is Leopold or even possibly Eva.

[mousears]

mousears wrote:

lorem ipsum wrote:

My first initial thought was that Zelena is not Regina’s sister, but the jilted fiancé or promised one (like through an arranged marriage) of King Leopold’s. That Leopold was to marry Zelena (or so she though) but when Regina saved Snow he changed his mind. And now Zelena wants everything Regina has/had because in her mind it should have been hers. As to how she got to Oz (born there, wizard her father maybe) or why she’s green (green with envy literally) I don’t know. Just my first knee jerk thought as to who she is and the reason for her going after Regina. Hell hath no fury….

I think you may have nailed it! The sister act is was a stepping stone get to Regina (Leopold’s 2nd wife) and possibly manipulate her. Her focus in Storybrooke is on Snow & baby snow (Leopold’s treasured daughter & future grandchild). She sent her #1 Flying Monkey to keep tabs on Emma and Henry (grand child #1 and great grandson) and who knows what would have happened if Emma had married Walsh. Zelena out for everyone that Leopold loved and to extinguish their happiness. If you were to connect the dots to all the characters Zelena is focused on the only common connection is Leopold not Cora.

Yeaaa someone agrees with me. Or at least likes me theory Yes I agree with you that the connection is Leopold or even possibly Eva.

Yep! Also, keeping with the way AE drag out plot twisting connections, there is no way they would reveal Regina & Zelena being sisters within the first 30 minutes of the return to the season – look how long it took for us to officially find out the Peter Pan was Rumple’s dad.  The sisters is a “red herring”/misdirection.  Also a re-watch of the Miller’s Daughter nixes that Cora had a daughter pre-marriage to Prince Henry or that Rumple could be the father.  I’m thinking that she’s the daughter of possibly the Wizard, her sister is Glenda, rejected 2nd fiance of Leopold (or maybe even Prince Henry who married Cora once his dad saw all the gold Cora could spin), and – here’s a major twist:: Rumple’s MOM!!  I don’t buy that Rumple was her teacher and she’s out for revenge on him for choosing Regina – there’s a separate agenda there with her & Rumple.

[Spellscum]

I do see the difference in the wording, yes, but I just put that down to the writers not having wanted to use the words “blood magic” yet and give away too much a whole week earlier than they wanted.

I’ll give it one last try, but you seem to be so ignorant of the facts (which come from the actual scenes and dialogues!) that I bet you still won’t accept it…

Anyway, so why is it then, that Regina asked the Witch “Yes, how did you break the Blood Lock?” because “The door was open.”? They were clearly talking about the Crypt and nothing else!

Regina just wanted to know, how Zelena managed to open the crypt door. She DID NOT ask how Zelena could get past the protection shield, which is miles away from the castle!!!

Therefore, the protection spell for the castle had no blood magic and was more like a bigger version of the protection spell that Emma did inside Mr. Golds Shop, when they were trying to protect themselves from Cora.

But never mind… You get to be right, and I get to have peace and quiet. ;o)

[RumplesGirl]

@Spellscum

There is a way to make your point without being rude to other forum members (calling them ignorant and such). Please moderate your tone and the way you are speaking to others.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[CrownedWithLaurels]

There is a good advice for all storytellers: Keep it simple. The more complex you make a story, the more you risk plot holes and inconsistency you have to patch up painfully. OUaT already is quite complex sometimes in the story and even more so with plots (the way the story is told). And that is something that strongly speaks for me against Zelena not telling the truth, against Zelana playing some even more complicate scheme on Regina, Rumple and everybody.

This is my line of thinking exactly. Also, with all the interviews we’ve gotten, “YUP! They’re sisters! Cora had another daughter!” I have doubt they’d be going that far if it were all just a lie. They’ve been speaking publicly about it because it’s a big shock to the majority general viewership.I have trouble believing they’d have all of these articles lined up for immediately after the show airs to dish on it when they know it’s just a lie. Why do those articles at all?  Actors and showrunners give misdirect all the time, but they don’t do it like this.

Here is what Rebecca Mader had to say:

“Well, Zelena obviously knows they’re sisters first. So this comes as a complete surprise to Regina, and that brings along loads of stuff for her for not knowing. But for me, she got the life that I was supposed to get and that’s where the pain comes from and all the hurt, and that’s what the vengeance and the revenge all stems from, because up until my arrival into their world, my life’s been pretty crap so Zelena feels incredibly wronged and is in a lot of pain and it’s a lot of projection.” – From: http://www.tvfanatic.com/2014/03/once-upon-a-time-post-mortem-lana-parrilla-and-rebecca-mader-tal/#sthash.VHdzsqIS.dpuf

 

 

That doesn’t sound like misdirect to me, it sounds like being excited over a big storyline that has just been revealed, and speaking about the emotional state of your character. The real emotional state. It’s too confusing to give all these interviews and show on tv what she is after and why, and then go and say SYKE, she has a completely different motive than we told you and made you believe! Misdirect is one thing, but lying is flat out different, “we told you something, so you would believe it, so that way we could tell you it isn’t true later on.” There is an element to the storytelling in the episode that lends itself to WickedSisters being fact. I for one think if it was misdirect, the audience would know about it to add to the suspense angst. Sure, ANYTHING could happen and I’m not going to say its 100% that she’s telling the truth– anything can happen on this show. But I’ve never seen the type of storytelling where the story in the show lies without telling you the truth until episodes later where all the other characters find out the truth…
Take, for instance, when Emma was lying to Henry about his father being a firefighter, and dying on duty. We the audience knew that she was lying because of what she said to Regina. He’s alive but he doesn’t know. We then got to see the story play out, and the characters go through the consequences of the lie, having this unique perspective. 

And like Phee said, I understand why they’d reveal it this early; because of the audience factor, we get to see her in SB wondering about the blood magic, etc, and here we are going, “Regina!!! She is your sister! Remember!!” It’s really the simplest answer.

Also,for anyone who believes Zelena is lying, do you have a theory on who the baby is in the filming photo Rose McGowan posted of young peasant Cora giving birth? If that baby Cora has is not Zelena and she is lying, then Regina must have another half sibling somewhere. Is there a theory about this?  (LOL I feel like a broken record but I nobody has responded yet! I’m just really interested in any theories about this.)

Keeper Nealfire's/Bae's scarf, Henry and Neal's bribery ice cream sundae, Baelfire's sword, the coconut map, and more.

[WickedRegal]

So many doubters of WickedSisters…such a shame…even when they show us that they’re sisters…some people still refuse to accept the fact that Regina finally has living family….

Well…just to clarify a few things here….

PHEE and CWL are actually right on a few things because the blood lock was broken before Regina even came back to the EF. Check one.

Check two is that Zelena did not need Regina’s blood to break into the blood lock, she needed her sister’s blood for another purpose. And Adam and Eddy made WickedSisters solid proof by using BLOOD MAGIC…because if Zelena wasn’t Regina’s sister…then she wouldn’t be able to get inside the castle.

Check three…more than likely Zelena wanted to see her mother’s memorial…that’s why she came in through the crypt.

Check four….why else would Zelena be trying on Regina’s clothes and jewels unless she had serious abandonment and envy issues.

Check five….Zelena’s motives are really solid as to why she would do all this, though her intentions of where she goes from here on out is unclear. But you all heard her reasons why she’s after Regina.

Check six….As far as this early goes…everyone…we are in episode 13 out of 22 episodes. Adam and Eddy couldn’t prolong that for long, and they wanted us to already be aware of WickedSisters so we can watch with even more excitement at the fact we know they’re sisters, but Regina has no idea.

Check seven…. Adam and Eddy have been giving us WickedSisters Hints since Season 1 with the flying monkeys in the book, Cora’s I’m not wicked, Regina’s I don’t care if they turn me green, Ruby slippers reference and Regina drops something, Regina’s Evil munchkins dirtpath in NL, and much more! So it’s not like we weren’t warned or anything.

And finally…Rose McGowan’s spoiler pic where she said “I just gave birth yesterday” and she was in her Miller’s Daughter’s clothing! C’mon folks! Let’s all not act so surprised all of a sudden, and this won’t be a family fake out because Adam and Eddy will do a lot of things, but they won’t lie to us. And we already knew someone was going to be added to the family tree this year! Now we’re waiting on the second person to join the family tree, and I pray with everything in me that Glinda isn’t their sister too, because I’d rather Glinda be on Snow’s side of the family.

And if you listen to this song…you will see that it reflects how Zelena feels:

More Than Just The Spare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ra6vxeZ_fMk

"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor

[Marty McFly]

WR, everyone is just afraid that they owe you more cookies than they can afford 🙂

but one thing I don’t get… Cora HAD her heart before she met Rumpel, so why did she give up her daughter?

[RumplesGirl]

but one thing I don’t get… Cora HAD her heart before she met Rumpel, so why did she give up her daughter?

I don’t think Zelena has the whole truth because I don’t think Cora gave her up. I suspect we’re about to see a baby transported to Oz (tornado?)

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