So much negativity

[CrownedWithLaurels]

Sorry those are so big. No idea how to stop it, I just linked ’em from twitter. SOOO SORRY FOLKS.

Poor Adam. When my husband tweeted him this photo he totally took it as serious and replied, “Soon! I promise!” 😆 Awww. <3

[angiebelle]

I have often heard that you don’t write for your audience as much as you write the story you would want to read yourself.

[Keb]

I dislike the negativity, too, though I think a certain amount of constructive criticism is warranted at times. Adam is indeed a champ for being willing to address any of it on Twitter.

But I think that the negativity is there in part BECAUSE the show is doing some amazing things. People wouldn’t complain at all if they weren’t getting attached to the characters and the world of Once. The writers, actors, and everyone else involved in making the show are making pure magic that is capable of eliciting strong feelings in the audience–capable of bringing people together, making people think, giving us both hope and despair. That’s an incredible feat. Think of all the entertainment that isn’t capable of that sort of magic. The negativity is, in fact, a sign of Once’s strengths.

Still, it’d be nice if we panicked less and held onto hope and faith like Adam keeps suggesting. Henry would remind us all that we’re in a fairly dark place right now, but that’s part of the story. And we’ve got each other to help us through the hiatus.

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[gypsy]

But I think that the negativity is there in part BECAUSE the show is doing some amazing things.

While I can see this being a valid point, I also have to say that the degree of the negativity is waaay over the top.

LOST was a phenomenem that became a Cult Classic – a legend in it’s own time.
LOST fans were and still are extremely passionate about the show and the characters, but, we never dogged the writers to death, tried to tell them how to write the show, complained when something we didn’t like happened, threatened to stop watching for this reason or that reason.
No, we watched the show….we went down whatever ‘worm hole’ they took us down and we loved the roller coaster that the writers took us on.
Because we wanted to hear ‘THEIR STORY’.
Yes, there are some haters, but, that came later, and I don’t need to get into that.

Maybe the difference between OUAT and LOST (when it comes to some of the nasty obsessive tweets, etc) has to do with age group/maturity level of some of the fans, idk, but, I’ve never seen this kind of thing ever before….some of the post and tweets I’ve read are one word shy of stalking!
It’s out of hand and I would be a bit afraid if I were one of the writers or one of the cast members.

[ser_dragon]

Those peoples are for the good part nothing but

1)Trolls. They want Charmings and Henry dead because they know saying that will hurt Charmings fan or Henry fans.

2)Evil Regal. They want Henry dead, because he don’t want live with Regina. Because he don’t want to be near her. Hello? She his a bit psycho mum for now guys? She wanted to harm his grandparents and his mother, guys?

3)Just plain stupid peoples who think killing almost all of the main cast would be a great idea really.

Imdb is full of peoples like that, too. Don’t mind them, be sure of yourself and let them on the side of the road. They are just passengers of your life and they get off at the next stop 😉

[nonnie]

Of course by the time the VIEWERS have seen the stories THE SHIP HAS SAILED… The episodes are filmed usually 6 to 8 weeks advanced of the showing… after the writers write the story… the producers and directors get their hands on the story and make changes …. sometimes actors / actresses have input because they know the characters best, but sometimes NOT…. the prop / computer ( computer generation ) and technical support also have input into the show that can make or break an episode.

So when the FANS voice their dismay … it is TOO LATE! THE SHIP HAS SAILED everyone in production is already on to new episodes or new shows. IT IS WHAT IT IS.

FRANKLY that is okay with me… so far this year OUaT has been great and kept me on my seat. I look forward to the DVD release so I can enjoy re-watches. (internet to slow to support streaming,)

This has been my least favorite episode but in part is I did not get to watch it without interruption; so I think I missed key elements to the story. I have learned about what I missed by going on line and listening to all the other podcast as they all have different view points.

Getting back to my point the fans input come too late to do anything about changing the story line and archs. I also like the stories that H&K et all have been releasing. I look forward to the next episode.

Fans should be thankful for the forums where they can post their opinions but not think they will have any impact on the stories. For every time there is one FAN who wants REGINA to be featured.. there is another FAN who wants RUMPLE / GOLD, or Snow/ PC or Granny & Red…. H&K can not please them all. To squeeze everyone into an episode would just weaken the entire episode.

JUST MY OPINION
NONNIE
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[Myril]

@Ser_Dragon wrote:

Those peoples are for the good part nothing but

1)Trolls. They want Charmings and Henry dead because they know saying that will hurt Charmings fan or Henry fans.

2)Evil Regal. They want Henry dead, because he don’t want live with Regina. Because he don’t want to be near her. Hello? She his a bit psycho mum for now guys? She wanted to harm his grandparents and his mother, guys?

3)Just plain stupid peoples who think killing almost all of the main cast would be a great idea really.

Imdb is full of peoples like that, too. Don’t mind them, be sure of yourself and let them on the side of the road. They are just passengers of your life and they get off at the next stop 😉

Trolls are another matter. There is a difference between Trolls, who only pretend to be fans and stir up things for the mere fun, and overly passionate fans, who might have a bit of tunnel vision and be misguided in some of their wishes and reactions. For the first I don’t show any mercy, but the second group deserves a different, more respectful reaction I think. Like Evil Regals, of whom a few are overreacting and maybe a tad single minded at times (but so are a few of some ships and other characters as well), but not in general, not in my experience. Generalization seldom is helpful.

And forums like on IMDb are breeding grounds for wannabe semi professional critics with mislead pseudo intellectual ambitions and for Trolls.

I don’t remember any show I got into a bit of fandom (and that where some over the past nearly 30 years) which hasn’t been discussed sometimes agressively, with a few over the top fans and overdramatic commentaries.

There always had been vocal fans of TV shows griping, but the forms they can express themselves have changed and it has become a lot more visible to the public eye. While 15, well, 20 years ago people still mostly were writing letters to the show makers, and then there were fanzines and TV and other magazines to publish eventually letters and commentaries, by now we all can spread views very visible and with ease in online forums, online commentaries and even quite directly address show makers, cast and crew via Twitter and to a certain degree Facebook. Twitter was created in March 2006, picking up more speed in 2007 – a show like Lost was by then in its 3rd season. Not saying that makes it better, it doesn’t, but people complaining, calling for changes and getting angry when a show doesn’t develop the way they want it to is not new, something every show maker has to expect to happen (particular the more successful the show is).

It is okay, that fans voice their views and opinions, but how some say it is not always okay, I agree.

@TheBee wrote:

I think one thing that upsets viewers is a growing impression that they are somehow irrelevant in the scheme of things far as the show goes. The show is not written for the writers. It’s not the writers who support it. One should never expect reward without merit.

Everyone’s a critic, now more than ever before 😉
No, no show is written for the writers, they write it for an audience, but they still do it in their own way, and they are themselves their first audience, the first people who have to like the story they’re telling. There are different ideas about what works, is good, where the story should go, the writers have different ideas themselves, the audience has different ideas, sometimes it comes together and sometimes it doesn’t. And we as audience are diverse, what some like others dislike. Sometimes a show is succesfull, and sometimes not, sometimes losing its charm in short time. We can’t expect the writers to do anything, we can voice our wishes and opinions, but should do so in a decent manner. I am certain the writers do listen and take into account what they hear. That doesn’t mean that they change stories immediately and forget all of their own ideas, but they adept sometimes.

But sometimes what fans want most, is what would kill the show in short time. And then they lived happily ever after … comes always at the end of a story. Or it turns out they don’t live happily but have tons of drama and crisis, and then story goes on. 😉

Nevertheless I sometimes wonder how hard it seems for a few to let things go. No one is forced to watch a certain TV show.

@CrownedWithLaurels wrote:

The way I see it is that all this stuff has already happened. Not only as far as Adam and Eddy creating and writing the basic direction (didn’t they start over 10 years ago?) But also because it is set a couple years ago. In my mind, it has already happened and I’m watching what happened. I’m not concerned about changing the future because in my mind it is already the past.

One way to see it, sounds relaxed.

They started with the idea years ago, doesn’t mean the show was written out in all detail, or is written out in all detail, it’s work in progress. Unlike literature, where we get to read most of the times a finished product (although that is changing), or unlike most movies, TV shows are work in progress, changing more or less during time. Sometimes creators / writers have very clear ideas, sometimes they have just ideas about the beginning, some parts in the middle and about the end, but how they get there is something they develop on the go, and sometimes they have basic ideas of characters and their set-up but where the thing is going and how is something developed while the show is running. Particular in TV business one has to be able to adept and be flexible, seldom have the luxury to know exactly how many seasons, episodes a show will run, and actors might come and go. To me that is part of the special appeal of TV series.

edit: It’s right that they already have filmed other episodes when we react to one, or are preparing to film, writing, but they still can react in the long run, depending on where we are in the season in the season itself or the next season. Writers have like 5-8 days to write the script for an episode (as far as I know), though much of what will happen in the episode is sketched out before, but during filming smaller and even bigger changes are made. The all season story arc is developed at best beginning at the end of one season, during the hiatus, but scripts themselves are written shortly before filming (like Adam and Eddy just have written the final).

@Gypsy wrote:

Maybe the difference between OUAT and LOST (when it comes to some of the nasty obsessive tweets, etc) has to do with age group/maturity level of some of the fans, idk, but, I’ve never seen this kind of thing ever before….some of the post and tweets I’ve read are one word shy of stalking!
It’s out of hand and I would be a bit afraid if I were one of the writers or one of the cast members.

Think even 14-years old or so know something about manners, about what is rude and offensive. And it wouldn’t surprise me at all if some of the most nasty talks are coming from more or less adult people. There might be a difference of use of language though, but that is no age thing alone either. For example I find that expressions with the word “hate” are widely overused, I avoid to use it most of the time, because for me it still expresses a very strong kind of negative emotion, especially when said about people, yes even fictional characters. Can’t help it, most of the times I read it I find it aggressive and disproportionate. But people do have different ways of talking, communicating. Not all that sounds negative might be meant that negative.

Unfortunately those shouting the loudest and the longest and the most are those getting most attention in most situations, even if they are minority (minority or majority though doesn’t say if you’re right or wrong about something). But sometimes luckily those in charge are not always listening to them. It’s a question of filtering. I’ve worked long years in customer care and know how important it is to filter, otherwise it is easy to get a wrong bigger picture of things.

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[nonnie]

@CrownedWithLaurels wrote:

Sorry those are so big. No idea how to stop it, I just linked ’em from twitter. SOOO SORRY FOLKS.

Poor Adam. When my husband tweeted him this photo he totally took it as serious and replied, “Soon! I promise!” 😆 Awww. <3

crown laurels… load your photo into a photo editing program and you can shrink the size of your photos. There are also some on line photo editing links that will let you edit the photo size lighting etc.

Nonnie
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[nonnie]

paint shop pro 2 .. shrunk size, decreased resolution, adjusted brightness & contrast … better or worse? took 2 minutes

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[timespacer]

Count me in agreement with those who dislike the negativity. I sometimes listen to a few of the other podcasts but this is pretty much the only site that has a forum I read regularly. That’s because I quickly discovered that the fans here are generally more tolerant and respectful toward each other and toward the show’s creators, than what I saw on many other sites (Pause for a moment and give yourselves a pat on the back!). For example, I’ve personally never understood the appeal of “shipping” (I only recently learned the term) and don’t care to engage in it myself, but if other folks enjoy it, good for them. The various shippers seem to coexist here in reasonable harmony. To use one of my favorite Thomas Jefferson quotes, “It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” For the most part, fans here are willing to accept other points of view and share their disagreements in a mature and respectful way. It’s quite a relief from some other sites.

I agree that the people who are the most rude are just a very small but loud minority and I hope Eddy and Adam realize that and don’t pay them much attention. We all find some aspects of the show that we like or dislike, and it’s fine to engage in discussions of the “I really liked X but not Y …” sort and it’s interesting to see how different peoples’ reactions can be. But it’s really annoying to read comments by people who are so obsessed with one or two characters that they think they can dictate to the writers how that character should be treated. I loved the photo posted earlier of Kitsis (or was it Horowitz?) with the award and the caption “When you get one of these, then you can tell me how to write my show”! Somebody should send that to Kitsis and Horowitz!

Like several other posters said, I want to see the story Adam and Eddy want to tell, not something dictated by a few rude people on the internet. It might not be the story I would write if they were to ask for my input, but in the end it will probably be a better story than anything I could come up with.

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