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Neal is from our world. The typewriter was loaded with paper that had a recent dialog that involved Neal.
It makes no sense for August to ask Neal, “Do you believe in magic?” if at that time he knew Neal to be Bealfire or some other FTL character.
PS – That’s how all typewriter cases open. The typewriter is latched into the bottom of the case so it’s secure when carried, and it opens with a wide top so it can be used without having to remove the typewriter from the case. They are delightfully fun to write on.
[adrotate group="5"]@Faux Pax wrote:
I just remembered something. Remember how there was a deleted scene from I think it was either Hat Trick or The stranger with August and Jefferson and they never released it, even on the DVD. Put that together with the Cleaners & Hatters sign in Neal’s room and maybe you have some sort of information network? I’m just saying. I mean we are going on and on about how it might be the BF pulling the strings, but we keep frogetting that Jefferson remembered everything. Maybe he always knew more then it was letting on; i mean he did work closely with both Rumple and Regina.
I wanted to slap them for not having that deleted scene on the dvd! 😈 Though Jefferson remembered, I wonder if he was really in a position in SB to do anything with his knowledge? He wouldn’t have been aware of Pinocchio’s part in the story, so couldn’t have sought out August in our world, it’d have to have been the other way around. But how would August know that Jefferson was someone in SB with his memories intact? If they did have dealings, I’m still gonna guess that it was Blue who put them in contact with each other.
There’s gotta be some reason they had a dirty great big sign in Neal’s apartment that screamed, “HATTERS”. Perhaps the connection is simply that both he and Jefferson knew the truth, but didn’t necessarily know each other. But there’s always the possibility that there could be a deeper connection.
@KatherineLn wrote:
Neal is from our world. The typewriter was loaded with paper that had a recent dialog that involved Neal.
It makes no sense for August to ask Neal, “Do you believe in magic?” if at that time he knew Neal to be Bealfire or some other FTL character.
Neal was evasive with his answer though, “I take it you do.” I think that August was trying to suss out how easy Neal was gonna be to deal with, and Neal was trying to suss out who this guy was before he admitted whether or not he believed in magic.
I do like the idea that the typewriter perhaps had a recent dialogue involving Neal in it. Only glitch with that is that he could write it off as August having spied on him. However, if it was REALLY recent, like, describing how August had chased him down, and had that conversation that they’d just had moments before on it, THAT would be convincing, because there’s no way that August could have been typing it as it was actually happening. Maybe the last lines on the page were, “August walked over to his bike, and lifted the lid on the box, revealing a typewriter.”
This is kind of reminding me of The Neverending Story, (which I rewatched just last week, so it’s fresh in my mind), the part at the end where Bastian is reading the book and Childlike Empress is speaking to him through it…
Childlike Empress: He doesn’t realize that he’s already a part of the Neverending Story.
Atreyu: The Neverending Story, what’s that?
Childlike Empress: Just as he is sharing all your adventures, others are sharing his. They were with him when he hid from the boys in the bookstore.
Bastian: But that’s impossible!
Childlike Empress: They were with him when he took the book with the Auryn symbol on the cover, in which he’s reading his own story right now.
And then they essentially end up having a direct conversation when she’s begging him to call out the new name he’s chosen for her and he’s saying that he can’t, but ultimately does.
Childlike Empress: Bastian, why don’t you do what you dream, Bastian?
Bastian: But I can’t! I have to keep my feet on the ground!
Childlike Empress: Call my name! Bastian, please! Save us!
Bastian: All right, I’ll do it. I’ll save you. I will do what I dream!
The story was being written in real time, which could have been happening with August’s typewriter, which would have been pretty convincing for Neal, even if he was just some real world guy who had a passing belief and hope that magic was real.
Of course, that also could have convinced him that August had access to magical things, people and knowledge, even if Neal was someone from FTL himself, so it doesn’t necessarily prove which world he comes from, but I now have a new pet theory as to what’s going on in that box.
Edited to add that if that is what the typewriter was doing, perhaps that’s why August so readily opened the box for Emma, hoping that the same thing would happen for her? I know there wasn’t any paper in it when Emma saw it, but we also know she didn’t see his leg turning to wood, so perhaps you can only see what’s being written by the real time typewriter if you’re open to believing.
@Phee wrote:
@Faux Pax wrote:
I just remembered something. Remember how there was a deleted scene from I think it was either Hat Trick or The stranger with August and Jefferson and they never released it, even on the DVD. Put that together with the Cleaners & Hatters sign in Neal’s room and maybe you have some sort of information network? I’m just saying. I mean we are going on and on about how it might be the BF pulling the strings, but we keep frogetting that Jefferson remembered everything. Maybe he always knew more then it was letting on; i mean he did work closely with both Rumple and Regina.
I wanted to slap them for not having that deleted scene on the dvd! 😈 Though Jefferson remembered, I wonder if he was really in a position in SB to do anything with his knowledge? He wouldn’t have been aware of Pinocchio’s part in the story, so couldn’t have sought out August in our world, it’d have to have been the other way around. But how would August know that Jefferson was someone in SB with his memories intact? If they did have dealings, I’m still gonna guess that it was Blue who put them in contact with each other.
There’s gotta be some reason they had a dirty great big sign in Neal’s apartment that screamed, “HATTERS”. Perhaps the connection is simply that both he and Jefferson knew the truth, but didn’t necessarily know each other. But there’s always the possibility that there could be a deeper connection.
@KatherineLn wrote:
Neal is from our world. The typewriter was loaded with paper that had a recent dialog that involved Neal.
It makes no sense for August to ask Neal, “Do you believe in magic?” if at that time he knew Neal to be Bealfire or some other FTL character.
Neal was evasive with his answer though, “I take it you do.” I think that August was trying to suss out how easy Neal was gonna be to deal with, and Neal was trying to suss out who this guy was before he admitted whether or not he believed in magic.
I do like the idea that the typewriter perhaps had a recent dialogue involving Neal in it. Only glitch with that is that he could write it off as August having spied on him. However, if it was REALLY recent, like, describing how August had chased him down, and had that conversation that they’d just had moments before on it, THAT would be convincing, because there’s no way that August could have been typing it as it was actually happening. Maybe the last lines on the page were, “August walked over to his bike, and lifted the lid on the box, revealing a typewriter.”
This is kind of reminding me of The Neverending Story, (which I rewatched just last week, so it’s fresh in my mind), the part at the end where Bastian is reading the book and Childlike Empress is speaking to him through it…
Childlike Empress: He doesn’t realize that he’s already a part of the Neverending Story.
Atreyu: The Neverending Story, what’s that?
Childlike Empress: Just as he is sharing all your adventures, others are sharing his. They were with him when he hid from the boys in the bookstore.
Bastian: But that’s impossible!
Childlike Empress: They were with him when he took the book with the Auryn symbol on the cover, in which he’s reading his own story right now.
And then they essentially end up having a direct conversation when she’s begging him to call out the new name he’s chosen for her and he’s saying that he can’t, but ultimately does.
Childlike Empress: Bastian, why don’t you do what you dream, Bastian?
Bastian: But I can’t! I have to keep my feet on the ground!
Childlike Empress: Call my name! Bastian, please! Save us!
Bastian: All right, I’ll do it. I’ll save you. I will do what I dream!
The story was being written in real time, which could have been happening with August’s typewriter, which would have been pretty convincing for Neal, even if he was just some real world guy who had a passing belief and hope that magic was real.
Of course, that also could have convinced him that August had access to magical things, people and knowledge, even if Neal was someone from FTL himself, so it doesn’t necessarily prove which world he comes from, but I now have a new pet theory as to what’s going on in that box.
Edited to add that if that is what the typewriter was doing, perhaps that’s why August so readily opened the box for Emma, hoping that the same thing would happen for her? I know there wasn’t any paper in it when Emma saw it, but we also know she didn’t see his leg turning to wood, so perhaps you can only see what’s being written by the real time typewriter if you’re open to believing.
I really like the theory of the Neverending Story…I like it alot.
Faux Pax, you bring up an excellent point. Both Smee & Jefferson were aware of Rumple wanting to find a way into a world without magic. Hook & Milah certainly knew about Bae. So Rumple’s story about his lost son wasn’t as secretive as we all thought it was. Now I have to wonder how many knew about the dagger.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
@Phee wrote:
@Faux Pax wrote:
I just remembered something. Remember how there was a deleted scene from I think it was either Hat Trick or The stranger with August and Jefferson and they never released it, even on the DVD. Put that together with the Cleaners & Hatters sign in Neal’s room and maybe you have some sort of information network? I’m just saying. I mean we are going on and on about how it might be the BF pulling the strings, but we keep frogetting that Jefferson remembered everything. Maybe he always knew more then it was letting on; i mean he did work closely with both Rumple and Regina.
@Phee wrote:
I wanted to slap them for not having that deleted scene on the dvd! 😈 Though Jefferson remembered, I wonder if he was really in a position in SB to do anything with his knowledge? He wouldn’t have been aware of Pinocchio’s part in the story, so couldn’t have sought out August in our world, it’d have to have been the other way around. But how would August know that Jefferson was someone in SB with his memories intact? If they did have dealings, I’m still gonna guess that it was Blue who put them in contact with each other.
There’s gotta be some reason they had a dirty great big sign in Neal’s apartment that screamed, “HATTERS”. Perhaps the connection is simply that both he and Jefferson knew the truth, but didn’t necessarily know each other. But there’s always the possibility that there could be a deeper connection.
Faux Pax & Phee, great thoughts!
Yes, the stills released from Hat Trick, where August was standing outside of Jefferson’s house. I remember that back then, anytime I tried to post on OUAT FB about those stills & theorize that August & Jefferson were in cahoots together, they would remove my posts. Another friend kept trying as well, same result. So, in my mind it meant one of two things. Either the writers changed their minds and went in a completely different direction OR there is most definitely a connection that they’ve decided to hold off showing the fans.
We know Jefferson was trapped in his house for 28 years, that is, until Emma came to SB. He knows everything that has been going on though. How? A telescope will only take you so far. He tells Emma he knows about Henry & his storybook and knows that she refuses to believe in it. Was he spying & listening in on their conversations or did August tell him about Emma having to believe in the book? Did August first go to SB as a starting point, over 11 years ago, prior to finding Emma & Neal? Did he meet Jefferson then?
Jefferson realized then when Emma first arrived, things started changing, that she had magic. That I understand. However, how did he know so much about her being the actual saviour? He was pulled from Wonderland remember and wouldn’t have known. How did he know so much about the storybook and Emma having to believe in it? He kept telling her to “wake up”. Seems like he definitely had to have spoken to August or Blue.
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
Regarding the typewriter writing stories in real time. I do like that Phee, the only thing that has me questioning this is that prior to Emma arriving in SB, there was no magic in our world. We know exactly when she got her magic. The moment she stepped out of the car and set foot on the ground in SB. We saw the sparks fly and hydro boxes blown. So before this, where would the typewriter have gotten it’s magic? Where would it have come? It’s looks to be from around the 1940’s.
On the other hand, if there was no magic in our world until Emma, we have to wonder how Dorothy would have gotten to Oz or how Alice had gotten to Wonderland if there weren’t some sort of magic allowing a port there.
Love the thoughts on The NeverEnding Story. I think of it when looking at what remains of the Enchanted Forest. Almost like that little bit of Fantasia that is left and it’s up to Bastian to do what he dreams and call out the empress’s name “Moonchild” to save it or rebuild it.
This whole series is so similar to it. A world that mixes both magic & reality together. The movie would have made quite the impression on two young boys at the time, by the names of Kitsis & Horowitz. Wouldn’t it be great if we see Falkor? Everybody loves Falkor! 😆
Keeper of Pandora's Box & The Yellow Brick Road.
Another thing that may point to Neal being Bae is the in the Offical podcast they were asked about what was in the box and (i really wish i had time to go look for an exact quote) they said:
“What you should be asking is what could August know that would make Neal give up on the girl he loves?” Or something like that.
What really struck me about that was that they used the word “Know” not “have” which means that the object itself was probably a lot less significant then what it meant. Another hint that it might be the picture of the dagger?
@TheGoldenKey wrote:
Regarding the typewriter writing stories in real time. I do like that Phee, the only thing that has me questioning this is that prior to Emma arriving in SB, there was no magic in our world. We know exactly when she got her magic. The moment she stepped out of the car and set foot on the ground in SB. We saw the sparks fly and hydro boxes blown. So before this, where would the typewriter have gotten it’s magic? Where would it have come? It’s looks to be from around the 1940’s.
We don’t know where the typewriter originated from though. We do know that Regina had magical objects that came over with them that had retained their power. The typewriter could have been a similar object. Maybe it was in the possession of the fairies in FTL, and when it came to our world, Blue used it to write Henry’s book, and she also gave it to August for this task. Perhaps? Or even if the typewriter was from our world, there may have been some other magical item that Blue could have used to make it work, in a similar way to how Regina tossed the trinkets into the hat.
PS. I’d kill to have a Luck Dragon. Falkor rocks my world! 😀
I’m sorry for posting this all over the stinkin’ place but I’m just proud of my little girl for catching this all on her own! I was watching it for the millionth time with my 7 year old and she shouted out “Mommy he looks like Aladdin!” Then it hit me….Aladdin was a thief. He was a very cunning man, a slick talker (remember in the Disney movie how Aladdin pretended that Jasmine was his mentally unstable sister to protect her from being throwin in jail…..like Neal did with Emma?) Aladdin was an orphan but his Father later returned (Baelfire/Rumple?) Could the Tallahassee scene be their “whole new world?”. I wonder if what August had in the box was a magic lamp. Just a thought. All from the mind of a 7 year old girl!
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