So What Did August Show Neal in the Box?

[warhorse78]

@TheGoldenKey wrote:

Faux Pax & Phee, great thoughts!

Yes, the stills released from Hat Trick, where August was standing outside of Jefferson’s house. I remember that back then, anytime I tried to post on OUAT FB about those stills & theorize that August & Jefferson were in cahoots together, they would remove my posts. Another friend kept trying as well, same result. So, in my mind it meant one of two things. Either the writers changed their minds and went in a completely different direction OR there is most definitely a connection that they’ve decided to hold off showing the fans.

We know Jefferson was trapped in his house for 28 years, that is, until Emma came to SB. He knows everything that has been going on though. How? A telescope will only take you so far. He tells Emma he knows about Henry & his storybook and knows that she refuses to believe in it. Was he spying & listening in on their conversations or did August tell him about Emma having to believe in the book? Did August first go to SB as a starting point, over 11 years ago, prior to finding Emma & Neal? Did he meet Jefferson then?

Jefferson realized then when Emma first arrived, things started changing, that she had magic. That I understand. However, how did he know so much about her being the actual saviour? He was pulled from Wonderland remember and wouldn’t have known. How did he know so much about the storybook and Emma having to believe in it? He kept telling her to “wake up”. Seems like he definitely had to have spoken to August or Blue.

I’m going to say, I love your theory, and I would love it if this is true. I just have this inkling feeling that August does know a hell of a lot more than he lets on. It’s why he’s turning to wood. I refuse to believe he betrayed Emma until I see it for myself on the screen. But coming back to it, if we have Jefferson being alluded that he possibly went to Oz, then, isn’t there a connection with August on this as well? Didn’t his bike tag say Kansas on it?

[evilqueen]

I begin to think that Jefferson was the one who found Henry for Regina to adopt, Gold has probably just done the formalities and all the documents. He would then get in return the rich house with the view at Grace’s house. Otherwise, why would Evil Queen bring him to SB, make him remember and live in a luxurious house in the middle of the forest?

[warhorse78]

@EvilQueen wrote:

I begin to think that Jefferson was the one who found Henry for Regina to adopt, Gold has probably just done the formalities and all the documents. He would then get in return the rich house with the view at Grace’s house. Otherwise, why would Evil Queen bring him to SB, make him remember and live in a luxurious house in the middle of the forest?

Nah, I think it’s a combination of August and the Blue Fairy that did it. Not to mention, I’m watching the show again, and Regina does say August looks kind of familiar to her. I’m thinking he found out about Emma being pregnant in prison, and then he went and got the baby, and brought him to Mother Superior to give to Gold. Maybe as payment for the lease of the church or something,

[RumplesGirl]

I agree with Warhorse. Blue and August are working together and somehow got Baby Henry to Gold for Regina. We need some Blue Fairy/Rumple Storybrooke scenes. For being the two biggest powers from FTL (not counting Cora since she had to learn magic) they’ve been in very few scenes together. surprisingly. Pretty sure it was just the one from “The Return”

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

Sorry if it’s been mentioned before, but could the Ruby slippers from Oz been in August’s box?

They’ve hinted at Oz already in series 2. Jefferson said the shoes had been moved to another land. We know Dorothy is from Kansas and August had a Kansas licence plate on his motorcycle in season 1 so it’s possible that he went to Kansas and got them.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[lilred]

I’m hoping you’re right, Priceofmagic!

Have you seen this tweet from Jane Espenson yet?

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Had me thinking about ruby slippers too. But someone’s said OZ won’t appear until next season (haven’t read anything about this myself though…) and it feels like that will be a long time to get to Neal’s backstory – assuming it’s related back to the object in the box…

But if he’s multiple characters, leaving a connection between Neal and OZ to be handled next season could work very well.

[antbee]

@Lil’Red wrote:

Had me thinking about ruby slippers too. But someone’s said OZ won’t appear until next season (haven’t read anything about this myself though…)

I thought they might try to tie in the new Disney movie about Oz with Once Upon a Time, but I think they’re running out of space and time to do that unfortunately based on casting spoilers and whatnot. So I’m getting the feeling just like the Little Mermaid and Aladdin being pushed to next season that the Wizard of Oz will be too.

and it feels like that will be a long time to get to Neal’s backstory – assuming it’s related back to the object in the box…

But if he’s multiple characters, leaving a connection between Neal and OZ to be handled next season could work very well.

I agree. While I’m not particularly fond of the idea of Nealfire being Peter Pan because I didn’t really think it fit his personality as a young boy, although I guess having his father and mother both abandon him in a dramatic way could change a kid, it’s seeming more likely to me just based on the fact that if Hook didn’t learn about the Dagger from Cora, then he must have learned about it from someone else and so far the only people that we know onscreen that know of it are Bae, August, and the Blue Fairy.

August can be ruled out because he wouldn’t have known about the Dagger at the time that Belle was being held prisoner by Regina when Hook “rescued” her to try to find out more information about the Dagger.

It could have been the Blue Fairy, since perhaps they’ll also make her Tinkerbell too, but if they really do want to have the series go at least 5 seasons, I’m not sure if they would reveal their cards so early about the Blue Fairy, if in fact, she has her own agenda. Plus, while I do think she’s questionable, I think telling Hook about the Dagger would put her into the evil camp because I think she wanted the Curse to happen and/or for Bae to get sent away for whatever reason, not that she wants the Dark One killed necessarily because she could have leaked that information a long time ago to anyone and everyone. If she was working with August like I suspect, then I don’t think she wanted to kill the Dark One, she just wanted to neutralize him, but August effed up the whole plan.

So right now that only leaves Bae, and if they make him Peter Pan, I don’t see why they wouldn’t combine him with another character possibly more than that just to make it easier to introduce new worlds that connect to the established characters. So I’m guessing yes on Peter Pan and likely the Wizard of Oz, because those are the two biggies that they have yet to introduce, and it’s not only easier just to make Bae those characters but there’s already a pattern established because they’ve done so with other characters especially his father.

I agree too that I’m not sure that we’re going to get his whole back story this year. I guess theoretically they could devote one episode about what happened to him when he arrived here if he’s only Nealfire, but it seems more complicated then that now so we might only get bits and pieces of it for awhile.

I’m not really sure how I feel about the idea because I think it might be too much like when David lost his memory, but if Neal is Baelfire and possibly more than just Bae, I’m getting the impression that he might not even remember because perhaps each time he goes to a new realm, he gets amnesia or he lost his memories when he got trapped in this realm because of the Curse. It could just be that he knows that he would sound crazy if he brought up his past, but I get the feeling that there might be something more than that based on the dream catcher and how MRJ reacted to what was in the box like he glimpses bits and pieces of his other life possibly lives but doesn’t know that he actually lived them perhaps.

Or I’m entirely wrong again. 😀 It’s just that I think Barrett will be connected to Neal and the dream catcher, and that to delve more into Neal’s past, Neal may be seeing a lot of Archie next season. It would be a good way to keep Archie useful next season; create another parallel between Rumple, Nealfire, and Henry, and it opens up new worlds that the current regular and recurring characters may not be able to be connected to especially if there’s scheduling problems like possibly with Sebastian Stan and the movies he’s working on now. It could also be a way to introduce the next big bad if he/she/they want to get back at Nealfire in some way or possibly just take him back to another realm, Oz is in ruins because he left, and the Wicked Witch and/or Glenda won’t leave Storybrooke without him.

Plus, I always feel like that the story line of David having weird flashbacks and running around in the woods was left incomplete. I would like to believe that it had more of a purpose than Mary Margaret believing that David thought she had killed Kathryn, and that eventually it will all make sense just as long as they don’t have Charming or Snow lose their memories again as another way to keep them apart. Not saying that Nealfire having amnesia would be why they included David’s weird flashbacks in season 1, but it could be a way to create another parallel between Snowing and SwanFire like how both couples initially met and then how both couples were separated in some way by the Curse.

[gypsy]

Think about it, though.

If Neal is just ‘some guy’ (which I don’t think he is)….and he looked into a box and saw a pair of red sequined shoes…..why would that make him, or any ‘regular’ person, believe in magic, right there, on the spot, no questions asked?

My daughter was Dorothy for Halloween a few years ago, and I got pair of Ruby Slippers for $8.99 at Target 😉

Anyway, Neal didn’t seem like he needed much convincing…when August asked him if he believed in magic, he didn’t say no.

If Neal is Bae (which I think he is)…he would already believe in magic and what ever was in the box had to have been something that he would’ve recognized from FTL.

[PriceofMagic]

@Lil’Red wrote:

I’m hoping you’re right, Priceofmagic!

Have you seen this tweet from Jane Espenson yet?

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Had me thinking about ruby slippers too. But someone’s said OZ won’t appear until next season (haven’t read anything about this myself though…) and it feels like that will be a long time to get to Neal’s backstory – assuming it’s related back to the object in the box…

But if he’s multiple characters, leaving a connection between Neal and OZ to be handled next season could work very well.

I had not seen that tweet. Thanks for showing me.

@Gypsy wrote:

Think about it, though.

If Neal is just ‘some guy’ (which I don’t think he is)….and he looked into a box and saw a pair of red sequined shoes…..why would that make him, or any ‘regular’ person, believe in magic, right there, on the spot, no questions asked?

My daughter was Dorothy for Halloween a few years ago, and I got pair of Ruby Slippers for $8.99 at Target 😉

Anyway, Neal didn’t seem like he needed much convincing…when August asked him if he believed in magic, he didn’t say no.

If Neal is Bae (which I think he is)…he would already believe in magic and what ever was in the box had to have been something that he would’ve recognized from FTL.

Perhaps there is something magical about the shoes such as they glow or something?

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[beastwhisperer]

Here’s a thought I had earlier about what’s in the box. Rather than being something from FTL, maybe it was proof that something from FTL was here. Assuming Neal is Bae, a photo of Mr. Gold would get him to listen faster than anything else that I know. While planting the book at MM’s, August could have taken a stealthy photo. Bae seeing The Dark One strolling down the street or selling antiques mixed with hearing there’s a curse would have to be an attention grabber. The question would remain as to how August knows his identity, whether Blue gave him knowledge or if he found something while stalking Neal and Emma.

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