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What I think is, they should do some training with a PR professional.
^^^^This
I wasnt going to post anything here , bc i have my definition and i posted on another thread what my understanding of TL, SM and other types of love, but the quote above is for me the most important when it comes to everytime the cast and writers speak, because they say a lot, cause lots of drama bwt fans and then on the showwhat they say is not what we see.
But just one thing ,sometimes is good to look beyond what ee want the def to be, or what the writers say and search dor other def on literature to see what others say , so i love reading, so i may have many romantic books, and all writers use SM as part of TL, because there is True love for family menbers, , but what makes the diference, is that TL in a romantic/family way is also soul mate, they ussually say:”True love never dies”, “True love even death can erase”, and other quotes, that if i cared about this i would look, but since i dont those 2 quotes enough, so there is the thing, there are several types of love, but the True Love in a romantic/family way is such important because is also a soul mate, this is what all this writers say, they also say that although you can find love again, TL since is also a SM thing, can never be replace, and that is what i always thought and in no way 2 writers in a show that after cancellation wont be remenber , will change my mind, also bet that at certain point they will come and say TL is again the new big thing and that all this debate only exists bc is our interpretation. This is why both Regina and Emma had TLK kisses with Henry, bc he is their TL and SM in one, for those here who are parents, when a child dies, you can never replace that child no matter what, so i will stick with that, there is a TL/SM bond betweet a child and his parents( at least should be) and there is the same thing in romantic way, bwt that one person you should be it .
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Every love is unique and you love everyone differently. Some people only have one love of their life while others have a few.
What I want to know is why do only some have true loves and others don’t? And what about Granny and Ruby are they true love, Gepetto and Pinocchio are they true love. Are Hansel and Gretel Soul Mates. What about Abigail and Fredrick, they had true love but are they also soul mates or do both of them have a soul mate waiting for them. Does that mean Mulan and Aurora are soul mates and Aurora and Phillip are true love?? Does this soul mates and true love give A&E simply a way to create new relationships while ending old relationships.
So lets look at Robin and Marion lets assume they are true love, that powerful true love that break curses and then we have Robin and Regina are soul mates. So Robin should chose Regina over his wife because they are soul mates and what he and his wife shared was just plain old simple curse breaking true love.
The same for Mulan and Aurora, Aurora shall leave her true love ‘husband’ to be with her soulmate Mulan?
See none of that makes sense to me why do you leave someone who is your true love. Easy when you find your better option which is your soul mate.
Its not what was said its what is implied and inferred. Because if Robin leaves his true love for his soul mate then it is inferred that soul mate is a better thing. (Of course this can be individualized, for some its better to be with true love other its better to be with soul mate. Aurora stays with her true love because that what drives her while for Robin he goes with Regina because soul mate is what drives him)
But I think the decision might be taken out of Robin’s hand because I feel Marion will die.
I’m with RG I just think they are just pulling strings and working on the fly right now. I also think season 4 might be an inferred true love vs soul mate with more focus on quotes about Soul Mates littered through the dialogued.
Not sure if any of that made sense, its early and no coffee.
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
Okay I like to shake things a bit, and lets add a new scenario.
Scenario 1
What are your thoughts concerning Charming and Regina are soulmates and wanted to raised Emma together because one of Regina’s plans worked and she killed his true love Snow? But Charming didn’t know that. So time travel happens, Snow is brought back. He has his true love. Should Charming stick with Regina since the murder was stop or should he remain with his Soul Mate Regina.
Scenario 2
Charming leaves Snow to be with Ruby, because he is unhappy. Snow thinks Ruby ate Charming. Leaving Snow to care for Emma alone. Emma and Snow gets separated. Snow laters finds Ruby and Charming (alive and together). She kills Charming when she realizes his betrayal. Ruby vows revenge and works with Regina. Ruby laters finds young Emma and thinks its a perfect way to get to Snow but somewhat bonds with her. Emma finds out that Ruby was the wolf that “stole” her father. She leaves Ruby. Years later, Emma and Hook are later a couple but then things go sour and Emma leaves Hook because she has to break the curse. Ruby later enters the picture as partner of Regina and shows interest in Hook. Hook and Ruby are Soul Mates. Emma comes back into the picture as well and truly regretful and wants to make things right with Hook. But of course there is sexy and alluring Ruby the redWolf, Hook and Emma are true loves but Hook and Ruby are soul mates. Hook loves Emma and Ruby and both love him. So where do you go with that.
Like I said no coffee.
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
Adam and Eddy did not say Rumple and Cora were soulmates, they said that they were kindred spirits who were much like soul mates! In my personal opinion, Rumple and Cora were very much in love…True Love!
Actually, Rumple and Cora have been referred to as both soulmates ( x) http://www.tvfanatic.com/2013/03/once-upon-a-time-scoop-snows-dark-side-golds-vengeance-the-futur/ and kindred spirits (x) http://www.blogtalkradio.com/barbara-barnett/2013/03/13/once-upon-a-time-with-guest-jane-espesnon
But Cora was absolutely not Rumple’s true love because her kissing him did not break his Dark One curse. Only Belle did that.
So i will post something that is pretty telling, EdR and RC reaction while A&E were giving their definition of TL and SM.
So even the actors think their words where so out of blue that dont make sense, if fact i even think Adam and Eddy know what they said make no sense, so no need to try to see and discuss with means in show terms, bc what we see on the show is not always what they say, and this SDCC was a great example, of people( actors and writers) saying things that didnt happened on the show or will ever happen, this year was all about giving the fans what they want to hear, and in the end they will say was our interpretation, that they never really said that. * now rainbom leaves, bc already gave to much attention to this issue* see some of you on the end of the rainbow.
"I offended you with my opinion? Ha, you should hear the ones I keep to myself".
I think the problem is that there are literally so many kinds of romantic love that trying to have them all fit into neat little categories just doesn’t work. Case in point: death – and let’s face it, that’s the big issue here and why A and E most likely babbled on unprepared and came up with this “definition” that left everyone scratching their heads when I think what they were honestly trying to do was make everyone feel better.
So back to love and death. Here’s the problem and why we can try to figure this out and still won’t get anywhere until WE are dead. When two people are in love (married or not), together for a short period or long period, have lots of good times or not many good times and then one of them dies and then the other moves on and finds someone else – that person typically doesn’t spend time sitting around trying to define which person it is/was that they loved more/deeper/better/truer, etc. You love the person you are with, you honor the person you WERE with and you have moved on with your life. If you sat around trying to figure out if your previous partner was your True Love or Soul Mate or THIS one is, you wouldn’t have to worry about it long because you would be single in a hot second – if you are thinking like that your answer is clear and you weren’t ready to move on. Most people feel happy to have ANOTHER chance at love.
Another situation – divorce and remarriage. At one point you loved your ex so deeply that you wanted to marry them, now you think they are a walking nightmare and OBVIOUSLY your new spouse is your True Love/Soul Mate. But when you were married to your ex you would have said they were. Real life.
TV. We spend hours trying to figure out the definitions that A and E threw out to us that can’t possibly trump real life because we are ALL affected by our perceptions of love in real life and WHY it is that we want True Love and Soul Mates defined for OUaT. I’ll be honest – I don’t care because I’m happy with where the show is right now (who am I kidding, I am THRILLED with where the show is). So I don’t care about the semantics. True Love, Soul Mates whatever – I get that the characters I love are some version of deeply in love with each other and meant for each other so it’s good with me. I don’t really have a need to try to analyze it to death.
I forgive A and E because I think they were just trying to say that everyone on the show who has been portrayed as loving someone has “truely” loved them – even if it hasn’t been this rarely achieved level of mutual love that they are holding certain couples to. But that doesn’t diminish the fact that they did love each other. It might not always have been healthy, or reciprocated, or meant to be but it was still love. Unfortunately in trying to make people feel better, they just confused everyone. I am just moving on.
Screwball’s posted something interesting on this issue
http://screwballninja.tumblr.com/post/93514960351/soulmates-schmoulmates-mini-essay-promptPrompt:Hi, I ask you because I truly admire your metas and thoughts and I also know that you love Rumbelle. I wrote a meta about the soulmate-True Love thing, in which I said OQ are soulmates and almost (but not yet) TL, SN are canonically TL and they seem to be soulmates (obvious parallels with OQ), Rumbelle are canonically TL and CS are almost TL. Some Rumbelle fans did not like that I told they were not soulmates. What do you think? Are they soulmates in OUAT’s term the way OQ are?
Well, Outlaw Queen are soulmates because the pixie dust SAYS they are, which is a time-tested dramatic device called “cheating.” I would have liked to see their compatibility first instead of having it stated as a fait accompli, but I digress.
No, I don’t think rumbelle are soulmates— and that’s okay!
PUT THE ENCHANTED DAGGERS DOWN, RUMBELLE FANS and hear me out. I’m defining “soulmates” here as people who have what the Victorians termed a “perfect understanding.” I don’t think Rumbelle understand each other all the time because they’re constantly surprised by each other: he’s surprised each time she forgives his sneakiness, and she’s surprised that he continues to go on murder sprees when he’s got a blue-eyed True-Love-verified minx waiting in his bed back home.
Belle’s kind of got a quantum nature where Rumple’s concerned: she can see who he IS, and she can see who he COULD BE … but not at the same time. Usually she sees who he could be, which in turn inspires him to become that “better self.” But when Rumple doesn’t rise to the lofty heights of fulfilling his non-murderous potential, Belle is gobsmacked and disappointed and makes THIS FACE:
What Belle fails to grok about Rumple is his PAST as a beleaguered, impoverished, harassed peasant. Belle’s remarkably empathetic but, raised as she was in a sheltered lower-upper-class upbringing with an overprotective dad, she doesn’t really know what it’s like to be literally kicked around by everyone just because they can.
That’s why Belle blithely tells Rumple that he doesn’t need power as long as he’s got love, disregarding the cold hard realpolitik truth about class warfare in a violent feudal society: if you don’t have power, you get screwed. Now, this isn’t to say that the correct response to feudalism is to sell your soul in exchange for immortal, demonic magical powers and beat/kill everyone who disrespects you.
I’m just pointing out that it’s Rumple’s powerless past that makes him so sensitive to disrespect and so quick to use violence to “avenge” his wrongs. If Belle really understood the nature of Rumple’s violent urges, she wouldn’t have asked him not to whack Zelena— she would have asked him to turn Zelena into a baby bunny or a green lawn ornament or something instead, where Zelena would be punished and humiliated (but not dead).
Here I’m going to assuage the rumbelle community and point out that it’s OKAY that Belle and Rumple don’t see eye to eye on everything, even when she’s wearing those stilettos.
Just because you don’t always understand someone doesn’t mean you’re not perfect together. Cora “understood” Rumple’s vengeful peasant past, but that only brought out the worst in him. It’s Belle’s ability to look past the, well, past that makes her Rumple’s FUTURE. She chased the darkness away, etc. and made him realize how much love he was capable of, and that’s something no-one else was able to do. They may underestimate each other from time to time, but that means they get to be pleasantly surprised by the strength of their love, loyalty, etc. etc. Redemption is a process— it’s the push-and-pull tension between who Rumple is and who he could be that makes rumbelle interesting (and what makes the make-up nookie probably EPIC).
In short, I think True Love is more important to a romantic relationship than perfect understanding because love can fill in the gaps. Rumbelle may not be soulmates, but they’re going to be just fine.
All magic comes with a price!
Keeper of FelixI agree with most of what @rumplegoldfan said.
Once is show about love and showcasing all kinds of love. I honestly and seriously do not think that one love is held in high her regard over the other. It’s all love in one form or another.
(If you listen to the season 1 finale DVD commentary, in Adam and Eddy’s point of view, the highest form of love is not soulmates; it’s a mother’s true love).
I think the only problem here is Adam and Eddy’s wording of both definitions. But I bet if someone asked them again, they’d provide a clearer and more detailed definition.
I think we’re getting hung up on semantics instead of really dissecting and discussing similarities.
I still stand with Guinan. Every time you love it’s different. So celebrate the person you love now. Doesn’t mean you love them less. I do believe a person can move on. But there are those who don’t and never move on after losing their loves. And what does moving on really means. I think the wording of sometimes makes people feel like they have to give up that love and that memory. And really you don’t. You can live life and still love and cherish the ones you lost. You don’t have to close of the past or the memory you can cherish, honor, and respect it and still cherish honor and respect what is happening now.
“Moving” on doesn’t mean you have to forget and moving on doesn’t mean you don’t have to stop loving either.
"I will be kind but I will speak my mind."
Every time you love it’s different. So celebrate the person you love now. Doesn’t mean you love them less. I do believe a person can move on. But there are those who don’t and never move on after losing their loves. And what does moving on really means. I think the wording of sometimes makes people feel like they have to give up that love and that memory. And really you don’t. You can live life and still love and cherish the ones you lost. You don’t have to close of the past or the memory you can cherish, honor, and respect it and still cherish honor and respect what is happening now.
“Moving” on doesn’t mean you have to forget and moving on doesn’t mean you don’t have to stop loving either.
I agree.
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