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I agree with Slurpeez as well.
I will wade in with what I posted in another thread about the subject:I tend to agree A&E tried to define TL & SM to keep everyone happy/ prevent another Poop storm- although they could have done that by simply stating “they are one in the same in terms of end result” …. or better yet, simply given us the dictionary definitions 😉
The way I’m going to choose to look at it from here on out is this:
Love- You meet & may or may not be attracted to the other, but over time develop understanding, trust, feelings, then love for the other & it eventually turns into TL- ie. RumBelle.
True Love- You meet & there is a spark of ‘love’ there almost right way, which develops/gets stronger as time goes on & turns into TL- ie. Snowing (although they fought their feelings at 1st).
Soul Mates- You meet & there is a spark of ‘total understanding’ (not sure how else to word it) right away, which develops/gets stronger as time goes on, turns into love &/or romantic feelings, then TL- ie. OutlawQueen.
So for my interpretation of the 3 concepts, is not so much the end product that differs- not one of the 3 concepts results in a less powerful love, than any of the others, it’s simply the starting point that differs between the 3 & I think this what A&E could have been meaning, but didnt get across.
I also have to note & point out (as I’m not sure it has been yet), that they said SM = when “someone thinks there is only one person for them”. Not that “There is actually only one person for someone”.
So I guess in that respect, what they are saying is TLs & SMs aren’t really “different” as such, it’s that people view them differently? …. Ok I think I’m going to confuse myself if I continue on from here… this isnt something I should be writing at 2:50am while sick lol, so hopefully it makes sense if I leave it here 🙂[adrotate group="5"]I also have to note & point out (as I’m not sure it has been yet), that they said SM = when “someone thinks there is only one person for them”. Not that “There is actually only one person for someone”.
So I guess in that respect, what they are saying is TLs & SMs aren’t really “different” as such, it’s that people view them differently? …. Ok I think I’m going to confuse myself if I continue on from here… this isnt something I should be writing at 2:50am while sick lol, so hopefully it makes sense if I leave it here
Get better! (I like to do the same when sick, awake in the night, writing and posting for example in forums, but then am sleeping away the day).
You make sense to me. I was about to point it out earlier, but it has been said on panel, not a written in an essay, so should be cautious to weigh their every word. On the other hand why should it be any different for the characters than it is for us, we have different views and interpretations and so have the characters. As well remember the different realities of fiction, film, mentioned it somewhere on here before, quite sure, reality of the characters, of the narrator, of the writers (those don’t have to be one and the same with any of the first mentioned, they can be very different), of the production, of the audience, diegitic and non-diegetic.
Sometimes wonder if the writers, and especially if A&E have begun to understand, that their geeky fun is touching rather profound issues, questions of life, of society. I don’t want OUaT to be turned into any moral message show, goodness no, but I miss with the writers a sensitivity how deep some things go, or can go, and are taken by some in the audience. It certainly doesn’t help that A&E come across so smug in interviews and on panels, and Adam on Twitter. They regularly talk themselves into trouble.
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I also have to note & point out (as I’m not sure it has been yet), that they said SM = when “someone thinks there is only one person for them”. Not that “There is actually only one person for someone”.
So I guess in that respect, what they are saying is TLs & SMs aren’t really “different” as such, it’s that people view them differently?We mostly are in agreement. I think in popular culture people use the terms SM and TL interchangeably, but where I disagree is with Eddy’s entire definition of what a SM is. The one thing I would counter is that Eddy did not say he thinks a SM is when there is only one perfect match; what he actually said was:
Kitsis and Horowitz also clarified the difference between what a true love is versus what a soulmate is on the show. “True love is when you truly love somebody,” Kitsis said. “Soulmate is the idea that there’s only one person for you.”
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
We mostly are in agreement. I think in popular culture people can use the terms SM and TL interchangeably, but where I disagree is with Eddy’s entire definition of what a SM is. The one thing I would counter is that Eddy did not say he thinks a SM is when there is only one perfect match; what he actually said was:
Kitsis and Horowitz also clarified the difference between what a true love is versus what a soulmate is on the show. “True love is when you truly love somebody,” Kitsis said. “Soulmate is the idea that there’s only one person for you.”
You’re right, that is what Eddy said. But Adam said:
Adam: And I think with both, true love and soulmates, are things which are in flux and you can work and you can confine them and there is always hope for finding what you think is your true love or soulmate.
And Eddy said, it’s the idea that there is only one person. Idea = content of the mind, belief, notion, thought.
What both said suggests to me more, that even in the Enchanted Forest there is no definite understanding shared by everyone without question, soul mate is not a fixed logic of the realms or so, but more something people believe in each in their own ways. As I said, weighing every word only with caution, because it was a panel, but they kept it vague. One can say, to try to keep fans happy (the more negative view), but as well one can say, to keep their writing options open (in a positive sense, they would be fools to get even deeper into the dead-end the pixie dust already has put things into). It wasn’t well said and hasn’t made fans happy (so if that was their intention, they failed) though.
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The one thing I would counter is that Eddy did not say he thinks a SM is when there is only one perfect match; what he actually said was:
Kitsis and Horowitz also clarified the difference between what a true love is versus what a soulmate is on the show. “True love is when you truly love somebody,” Kitsis said. “Soulmate is the idea that there’s only one person for you.”
Regarding this SDCC quote I also think the key word here is idea. A very beautifull idea with roots in Greek Mythology. There was this myth that at the beginning humans had 2 faces, 4 arms, 4 legs and only one soul. Zeus split each in half and left them to wonder the world in search of their perfect other half- a soulmate.
The problem is we can not verify if someone is our solumate or not. There is no way to know for sure but the idea is very tempting. You can think you’ve met your solmate many times and never be rigth.
In OUAT TLK confirms that this and that person are each other TL. That they truly love one another. You can truly love a partner, parent, child, sibling or even a friend. Do any of them have to be your soulmate? I don’t think so.
I understand the term soulmates as PriceofMagic does- *perfect understanding*( as perfect as it can be between two human beings). Soulmate is the person that just gets you on every level, understands how you think and feel.
Regardnig canon confirmed TL couples, I think Snowing can be considered soulmates on some level, although I can’t say I like them very much. I do like Rumbell but I don’t think they are soulmates.
I agree with most of that @lady and you’re right, it is the idea (regarding soulmates) that there is only one person for you and the concept of soulmates and true love, are two things that in constant flux and changing.
@surayya FEEL Better soon!
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Get better! (I like to do the same when sick, awake in the night, writing and posting for example in forums, but then am sleeping away the day).
Hehe- I’m glad I’m not the only one who does it- I feel so much more normal now 😉
And Eddy said, it’s the idea that there is only one person. Idea = content of the mind, belief, notion, thought.
What both said suggests to me more, that even in the Enchanted Forest there is no definite understanding shared by everyone without question, soul mate is not a fixed logic of the realms or so, but more something people believe in each in their own ways. As I said, weighing every word only with caution, because it was a panel, but they kept it vague. One can say, to try to keep fans happy (the more negative view), but as well one can say, to keep their writing options open (in a positive sense, they would be fools to get even deeper into the dead-end the pixie dust already has put things into). It wasn’t well said and hasn’t made fans happy (so if that was their intention, they failed) though.
Nods in agreement.
where I disagree is with Eddy’s entire definition of what a SM is. The one thing I would counter is that Eddy did not say he thinks a SM is when there is only one perfect match
At SDCC yes, you are correct, that is how Eddie words it- Adam states it’s ‘when people “Think” they have only one SM’ in a later interview- I know I got it as a direct quote off of an interview with Adam… I just cant remember which one it was now darn it! :/
What both said suggests to me more, that even in the Enchanted Forest there is no definite understanding shared by everyone without question, soul mate is not a fixed logic of the realms or so, but more something people believe in each in their own ways.
Yes, this.
The problem is we can not verify if someone is our solumate or not. There is no way to know for sure but the idea is very tempting. You can think you’ve met your solmate many times and never be rigth
Unless you have pixie dust 😉 – if you have pixie dust it can tell you who your soul mate is- you just follow it to the lucky lad or lady lol 😉 :p … well at least according to Tink, it can 😉 lololol
Hmmm, here’s an interesting thought I just had- what if Robin = Regina’s SM, is only Tink’s opinion on the matter & not actual ‘fact’ at all? Maybe the dust simply found the best romantic match for Regina & the whole “he’s your SM” is nothing more than Tink’s personal opinion on the matter & since Regina believed her opinion to be fact, she just opened her heart & went for it- kind of like a self fulfilling prophecy I guess.
The problem is we can not verify if someone is our solumate or not. There is no way to know for sure but the idea is very tempting. You can think you’ve met your solmate many times and never be rigth
Unless you have pixie dust
– if you have pixie dust it can tell you who your soul mate is- you just follow it to the lucky lad or lady lol :p … well at least according to Tink, it can lololol I’ ve not thought about pixie dust to be honest. Tink is a rebel pixie. She wasn’t sopouse to do that anyway. She will probably lose her wings again, if she ‘ll go flying around, usinng pixie dust on people. Not sure she’ ll do that.
And Eddy said, it’s the idea that there is only one person. Idea = content of the mind, belief, notion, thought.
This is probably a matter of semantics, but it’s this entire idea of what a soulmate is, as put forward by Eddy, that I originally objected to in the first place. It’s the belief, opinion, notion, what have you, that there is only one person for everyone which I claimed is a myth. Granted, it’s a powerful notion that has captivated mankind since at least as early as ancient Greece, but it’s an immaterial notion being put forward and further perpetuated by the Disney culture, including by the writers of the show. Yes, it’s only a TV show and it was only a panel discussion, but this is what children of the next generation are being taught by osmosis. I’m not completely anti-Disney, but one thing for sure is that I’ll teach my children to think critically about the messages they receive even from cartoons and television shows. The thing I will object to is this false notion that there is only one perfect match per person, that any one person can completely fulfill you, or that you need to have romance to be happy.
What both said suggests to me more, that even in the Enchanted Forest there is no definite understanding shared by everyone without question, soul mate is not a fixed logic of the realms or so, but more something people believe in each in their own ways. As I said, weighing every word only with caution, because it was a panel, but they kept it vague. One can say, to try to keep fans happy (the more negative view), but as well one can say, to keep their writing options open (in a positive sense, they would be fools to get even deeper into the dead-end the pixie dust already has put things into). It wasn’t well said and hasn’t made fans happy (so if that was their intention, they failed) though.
I’m not trying to put too much weight on what was said on a panel, since it seems like E said one thing and then A sort of backtracked some and tried to say these concepts were in flux. Admittedly, I didn’t watch the whole panel nor did I watch the post-panel interviews, but I did read some of the articles that came out afterward. The media seems to have glommed onto Eddy’s words, which then get repeated again and again. Maybe the writers were just saying it to appease some fans or maybe they were just saying it on a whim. Who knows? I would’ve hoped that writers, who are usually so careful with words, would’ve given some deep thought to this question at the start of the entire show and had at least a working definition, rather than coming up with something on the fly. The writers may have meant to make some fans happy, but in so doing, left keen fans of every stripe scratching their heads and furrowing their brows.
"That’s how you know you’ve really got a home. When you leave it, there’s this feeling that you can’t shake. You just miss it." Neal Cassidy
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