Speculating "The Little Mermaid"

[RumplesGirl]

Oh I don’t know Obisgirl. It might be an obvious connection but I don’t think it’s too obvious seeing as Hook and Ariel are not traditionally in the same mythology. Hook knows about mermaids but does he know about that specific one? And not all obvious connections are the “wrong” answer. They did say that Tink’s surprising connection wouldn’t be Bae because that was REALLY obvious given the amount of time Bae spent in NL but we do have to acknowledge that Hook is going to have a lot of connections to his own mytholog–PP, the Lost Boys, Tink, and the Mermaids.

[kfchimera]

That is a good catch on the hair.  They didn’t say surprising connection, just a connection and to “group”, what group is that? The core characters or just the core on the boat?  And Hook and Bae are both obvious answers to any NL character being connected, as those are the two we know went there.  Of course, Neal meeting any of these characters after he left NL would be surprising too, if he met in the “real” world or if like some have suggested, Ariel meets Neal in FTL after he fell through and before he met MAP.

I’m not a fan of Ariel being in FTL though, and really doubt she appears in real world ever (aside from the promo of SB and stealing a fork). Cause Ariel in NY would really be a splash rip off…though they did name check that movie.

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[PriceofMagic]

What if Ariel was how Rumple got the squid ink with the “squid” in question being Ursula, or what if the squid is the “Kraken”?

We know Regina had issues with a “certain mermaid” which is most likely Ariel, what if Rumple was helping Regina sort out Ariel and whilst he was there he got the squid ink? He would have had to have had it before the Cinderella situation.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[Josephine]

I’m not a fan of Ariel being in FTL though, and really doubt she appears in real world ever (aside from the promo of SB and stealing a fork). Cause Ariel in NY would really be a splash rip off…though they did name check that movie.

See, I think they’re going to go the Splash route.  Ariel can temporarily walk on land but must return to water or else she gets sick.  Plus, Disney owns the movie Splash so it wouldn’t be such a stretch to see them borrowing from it.   (Whenever I think of Splash, I see her stretched out in the tub and her tail unfolding.)

Here’s a harebrained idea to go along with Rumple and the squid ink.  What if Ariel made her deal with Ursula but it didn’t turn out well and went to Rumple for help. He told her how to deal with the sea witch and in exchange she gets him the ink he needs.  But then how does Regina work into that?

I’m up in the air about Ariel and her connection to anyone.  Is Rumple, Regina or someone else the one she made her original deal with?  Every question leads to just more questions about her.

 

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[PriceofMagic]

Ursula is pretty iconic so I don’t think they wouldn’t include her. However, I do think Rumple and/or Regina come into play after the original deal. Perhaps Ariel was on the losing end of the 3 day deal so she became Ursula’s slave and as a result of that would be in the perfect position to retrieve the squid ink for Rumple in exchange for her freedom.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[RumplesGirl]

I do agree that Ursula is pretty major to Ariel’s story. They could forgo Sebastian and Flounder and all the Disney add-ins, but I feel like they can’t take away Triton and Ursula. I think Ariel may be connected to many people, however minor. Hook would know of mermaids even if he didn’t know her specifically; Regina may be Ursula (still not loving this idea) and Rumple might have bargained for the squid ink (for a magic mirror?). It’s even possible that Bae had a run in with her.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

[PriceofMagic]

If they use Regina as Ursula then they have wasted the use of a character that could be used as an antagonist later on in the story whilst Rumple and Regina are redeeming themselves.

All magic comes with a price!

Keeper of Felix

[kfchimera]

On the other hand, there are so many characters they can use out there, I’m not sure they are worried about wasting one.  They do need storylines that let their main actors carry the storytelling, though guest stars are great and part of the fun that with a known character they might also get a known actor, like Barbara Hersey/Rose McGowen were brought in for Cora old and young.

 

“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass

[Josephine]

See, I can’t see Ursula having any long-term use other than under the water.  She’s a cephalopod in Disney’s version and unless she can transform herself into human I don’t see her being a big villain down the road.  I’d be okay with Regina taking over the role.

Keeper of Rumplestiltskin's and Neal's spears and war paint and crystal ball.

[RumplesGirl]

See, I can’t see Ursula having any long-term use other than under the water. She’s a cephalopod in Disney’s version and unless she can transform herself into human I don’t see her being a big villain down the road. I’d be okay with Regina taking over the role.

I think Ursula’s role largely depends on how much they want to use Ariel and where in Ariel’s story we are when we met her. If she has never become human then Ursula will probably play a larger role and not be Regina; if, like Macy suggested a few pages back, the events of the Little Mermaid as we know them have passed and Ariel is older than her normal 16 years,then Ursula will probably only be used in one or two flashbacks when we learn about Ariel’s past and in that case, she could be Regina. If the big bad of S3 (part 1) is PP/Tink/THO and the big bad of S3 (part 2) is THO in SB and S4 is mostly Oz (wild prediction based on only a few hints) then Ursula doesn’t need to be any more than Ariel’s personal enemy and not the enemy of the whole core cast.

"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"

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