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Maybe it will be shades of splash, they break into PP den and find he is holding Ariel captive to do experiments on her magic, and he has a whole lab for making technomagic all steampunky stuff, like the taser. But she knows where they moved Henry so she joins up with them.
[adrotate group="5"]“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
or if like some have suggested, Ariel meets Neal in FTL after he fell through and before he met MAP.
I reckon there’s pretty much zero chance of that, just because look at how dry he was: http://screencapped.net/tv/onceuponatime/displayimage.php?album=1449&pid=1658013#top_display_media Hair, face, clothes, all dry. If he’d been lying front down on the sand after being hauled out of the water, even if his back had dried off, his front would still be soaked. When he fell out of the portal in London, he landed face down on the ground. I reckon the same thing happened when he fell out of the portal in FTL.
(Whenever I think of Splash, I see her stretched out in the tub and her tail unfolding.)
Yes, loved that bit! A while back I wondered if Ariel could be in SB somewhere, and if so, I figured she probably became a part time mermaid when magic came back. If she’s a part time mermaid in other realms though, I think they’d have to make it a situation where she gets sick if she’s not in the water, because otherwise, she has it too easy getting the best of both worlds.
What if Ariel was how Rumple got the squid ink with the “squid” in question being Ursula, or what if the squid is the “Kraken”?
I’m currently thinking that Ursula will be a Kraken. Giant squid sea monsters are generally thought of as living waaaaay down deep, “bottom of a bottomless ocean” type stuff. Giving their Kraken a name automatically gives it a personality and a consciousness, which makes it more ominous. It also sets their Kraken apart from the PotC Kraken, which didn’t have a name, (people already compare elements of this show to PotC, so you know they’ll keep doing it if we have creepy squids, and potentially Davy Jones at some point).
As for Rumple getting the squid ink, at the moment, my money is on that having been part of some previous deal(s) that Rumple himself made with Ariel’s parents, which resulted in his having a trident as a trophy by the time of Skin Deep.
Surely they’re gonna have a story that shows how Ariel’s mother died, (they love killing off parents on this show). In Disney she was crushed by a pirate ship, but they could do anything with it. Make her go steal ink from a Kraken and that sets up a dangerous situation for her. Make her seriously injured in the attempt, and you’ve got a situation where Triton would be desperate enough to give up his trident if Rumple had a way to heal her, (which ultimately didn’t work, and she died). That would connect the story of what happened to Ariel’s mother to something we’ve already seen specifically mentioned, and would set up Ariel having animosity towards Rumple in present day. Would tie it all together nicely.
In Disney, Ursula temporarily gets the trident when Triton trades places with Ariel as her prisoner. The fact that Rumple is the one with the trident means that if they wanna stick with the trident being acquired when Triton traded places with Ariel, that makes Rumple our Ursula who was holding Ariel prisoner, and now has Triton.
OR, Ursula had Ariel, then got Triton and the trident, and Rumple offed Ursula to get the trident.
Either way, by the time of Skin Deep, it looks like Triton is potentially powerless if Rumple has his trident.
Ursula is pretty iconic so I don’t think they wouldn’t include her. However, I do think Rumple and/or Regina come into play after the original deal. Perhaps Ariel was on the losing end of the 3 day deal so she became Ursula’s slave and as a result of that would be in the perfect position to retrieve the squid ink for Rumple in exchange for her freedom.
Ah, the 3 day deal, another thing I’ve wondered about them including or not. In Anderson’s, there was no time limit, it was just if the prince ended up marrying someone else. My Hookriel bias imagines that they go with the Anderson version, and when Ariel sees CaptainSwan getting close in present day she gets paranoid, because if Hook marries Emma, Ariel dies. But the 3 day deal is a major plot point in the Disney version, (as is the threat of Ariel being enslaved to Ursula), so they may well include it.
I think Ursula’s role largely depends on how much they want to use Ariel and where in Ariel’s story we are when we met her. If she has never become human then Ursula will probably play a larger role and not be Regina; if, like Macy suggested a few pages back, the events of the Little Mermaid as we know them have passed and Ariel is older than her normal 16 years,then Ursula will probably only be used in one or two flashbacks when we learn about Ariel’s past and in that case, she could be Regina.
I’ve always thought of it as though her story of becoming human has already played out. It would be unusual for this show to show us the story we know of happening in present day, instead of in the past.
If the big bad of S3 (part 1) is PP/Tink/THO and the big bad of S3 (part 2) is THO in SB and S4 is mostly Oz (wild prediction based on only a few hints) then Ursula doesn’t need to be any more than Ariel’s personal enemy and not the enemy of the whole core cast.
Agreed. Even if Ursula is a villain in present day NL, they’re not staying there for forever, probably not even a whole season, so Ursula wouldn’t be much use as a villain for very long if she’s confined to the waters of NL. On the other hand, if you have Regina filling the role, odds are pretty good that she’ll still be around even after they leave NL.
Making Regina into Ariel’s sea witch, and Ursula an actual sea monster could work well. They could still have Ursula attack, like in Disney, where she grew huge and then Eric killed her. Having the monster squid come to the surface and attack in present day NL could be a nod to that movie scene. If the JR is under threat, you know that Hook is gonna throw down with that squid and get his big hero moment when he kills her. But even with squid Ursula dead, if Regina was the sea witch, there’s still a villain from that story who is alive and walking around and going back home with them.
Surely they’re gonna have a story that shows how Ariel’s mother died, (they love killing off parents on this show). In Disney she was crushed by a pirate ship, but they could do anything with it. Make her go steal ink from a Kraken and that sets up a dangerous situation for her. Make her seriously injured in the attempt, and you’ve got a situation where Triton would be desperate enough to give up his trident if Rumple had a way to heal her, (which ultimately didn’t work, and she died). That would connect the story of what happened to Ariel’s mother to something we’ve already seen specifically mentioned, and would set up Ariel having animosity towards Rumple in present day. Would tie it all together nicely.
They could just do a lot of exposition as well; they could do a lot of things for Ariel through dialogue, actually. It depends on if she’s going to be integrated into the cast. If she’s a one time character and maybe only appears in one or two episodes, then all they have to do is give a little bit of background but nothing more. Like Robin Hood; his story was really only there to highlight Rumbelle (unless he really is Tamara’s father).
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"True. We don’t know yet how prominent her role will be. I’m assuming that she’ll be more than a 1 shot appearance though, based on the fact that she got the same style of CC promo that Hook originally got, and also on the fact that they dropped the first mermaid hint in the middle of season 1, which suggests they’ve had a story in mind for her from the start. That sorta setup suggests a recurring role IMO.
As for RH, K&H have said that new characters this season will be introduced in a similar way to RH, where he was a supporting character in a main character’s story. But we now know that they’re giving him at least 4 more eps of story. I’d expect a similar situation to happen with Ariel.
This isn’t necessarily, specifically, Ariel related, but a random, mermaid related thought popped into my head.
Neal will end up making a portal through Lake Nostos. From what we’ve seen, if you go down a portal in water, you come out the other end in water. He ends up coming out of his portal in the water in NL. This time he doesn’t get fished out in time before…mermaids! And that will be the first time we see mermaids on the show.
I like that it’d parallel the previous time he arrived in NL, but don’t love that it’d mean no Nealfire and Belle stuff in SB while everyone else is away.
Ariel could fish out Neal in NL I suppose. So many possibilities .
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
So I just deviated from my original Hookriel wish list and thought of a theory that would be both very dark yet kinda awesome in my opinion. I had originally wanted Hook to be Eric, and for him and Ariel to meet as kids (I still kinda want this anyways).
But I was thinking about the curse of the mermaids and how maybe it is in all mermaids nature to want to drown humans. What if Ariel has in the past actually done this, and while she is now fighting this side of her and being the awesome Ariel we all know and going against her kind. Yet what she did in the past during of a moment of weakness still haunts her. And WHAT IF this person was Eric, a boy she once loved (either as a friend or more). I’m gonna go further on this crack theory and just combine them and say that Hook knew Ariel and her kindness, yet when she succumbed to instinct (maybe as a consequence of a broken deal?) he saw the sweetest girl he knew do this to maybe one of his crew members? Which is why he is so adamant about the curse of the mermaids. Of course once Ariel had seen once she had done she snapped out of it
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So I was thinking about what they might do to create a unique spin on Ariel, and I recalled Shakespeare’s The Tempest has a fairy named that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_%28The_Tempest%29
What is interesting here is it is on an island. Rumple could be a mix of Caliban and Prospiro. There is some references to colonization, could tie into the comment about jungle & heart of darkness at D23.
I don’t think they’d actually take the storyline of the play, but you never know. It is a classic tale and they did throw in a reference to another Shakespeare play in GMSB.
“If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” -- Lewis Carroll, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland & Through the Looking-Glass
Over in the chat just before, a random thing popped into my head, wondering if perhaps when Rumple was in NL, (probably looking for the Curse, which I think originated there), that’s when he got Triton’s trident because maybe it could be used to open portals, and he needed a portal to get out of NL.
Then RG mentioned how in the movie, Ursula uses the trident to create something that looks portal-y with the swirling.
I’ve wondered before if merfolk could travel between worlds without a portal, and maybe one day Ariel was off exploring and got stuck in FTL. Now I’m wondering if maybe she’d used daddy’s trident to open herself a little portal to explore FTL, and before she could get back, Rumple got the trident, and that’s how she got stuck, and was in FTL to go see Regina?
One other little thing, I re-watched Lacey the other day, and noticed that the smoke when Rumple took Sheriff/Keith’s tongue was black both times, like a cloud of ink. Off the top of my head, I don’t think any other magic has had black smoke? So perhaps he couldn’t do that trick until after he had the squid ink?
I’ve wondered before if merfolk could travel between worlds without a portal, and maybe one day Ariel was off exploring and got stuck in FTL. Now I’m wondering if maybe she’d used daddy’s trident to open herself a little portal to explore FTL, and before she could get back, Rumple got the trident, and that’s how she got stuck, and was in FTL to go see Regina?
Did Regina send her back to NL, then? Because we know Ariel is currently in NL with our JR6. And what did Regina get in return? The exchange and t-word issues are a little complicated.
1)Before Regina became the evil Queen, Rumple went to NL and got squid ink (and maybe the Dark Curse) from Ariel (we think). In exchange Ariel got….something. Wouldn’t it be ironic if Rumple gave Ariel her voice?
2) Years later, Ariel messes around with the Trident, open a portal to FTL, and gets stuck with her Trident.
3) Ariel encounters Regina and they strike a bargain. Ariel will give Regina the Trident if Regina sends her home (I find this problematic as Regina doesn’t appear to be able to travel without some sort of aid, like the hat.) BUT Regina goes to Rumple to get the means to send Ariel back and promises Rumple the trident. But of course Regina doesn’t do anything without expecting something in return. So what does Regina get from Rumple? (this is also problematic as the Trident is already in his castle when Regina comes to him at the end of Skin Deep but I’m just thinking out loud here)
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