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MP I think Jafar will be for what ever left in season 5 as well. I don’t see them going past 5 though. I could see them possible doing a spinoff to go in that 8pm time slot. My theory is it would be a Hook Series referred to as the jolly roger.
Considering how Wonderland did, I don’t expect another spinoff to happen. Even if a lot of Wonderland’s failure was ABC’s fault for scheduling it the way they did. Though to be honest, I don’t think it would have done that much better during the Winter hiatus, either.
[adrotate group="5"]MP I think Jafar will be for what ever left in season 5 as well. I don’t see them going past 5 though. I could see them possible doing a spinoff to go in that 8pm time slot. My theory is it would be a Hook Series referred to as the jolly roger.
Considering how Wonderland did, I don’t expect another spinoff to happen. Even if a lot of Wonderland’s failure was ABC’s fault for scheduling it the way they did. Though to be honest, I don’t think it would have done that much better during the Winter hiatus, either.
You don’t think a Hook series could make it? I mean if he has a lot of fans, I think they would follow it.
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All of this leads me to one thing. EITHER
1) 4B is the last season
OR
2) They got a 5th season but it’s only between 11-13 episodes to wrap it all up
Yeah. Season 5 is already half-produced, too, if they want to count Wonderland towards the home video bundle.
I’d like to see what they produce when they no longer have to try for another renewal. I think it’d improve the story.
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I’d like to see what they produce when they no longer have to try for another renewal. I think it’d improve the story
I think so as well.
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICWell, a lot of people thought breaking the curse would be a last Season thing, and it wasn’t. I do think they have plans to stretch things out til at least a 5th Season
Well for what it’s worth, of those two options I gave, I do think a 5th season is WAY more likely. And it’ll be Jafar and Aladdin.
As for Cora, I’m honestly not expecting her to be resurrected, but to simply appear in a flashback
Neither do I, just a flashbck
"He was a lot of things to me" "The only conclusion was love"I mean it depends how how far they want Regina’s happy ending to go… Just throwing this out there but they could give Regina back her sister, her mother (with her heart in her chest, mind you), her father, and Daniel. So…yeah….
"I could have the giant duck as my steed!" --Daniel Radcliffe
Keeper Of Tamara's Taser , Jafar's Staff, Kitsis’s Glasses , Ariel’s Tail, Dopey's Hat , Peter Pan’s Shadow, Outfit, & Pied Cloak,Red Queen's Castle, White Rabbit's Power To World Hop, Zelena's BroomStick, & ALL MAGICI mean it depends how how far they want Regina’s happy ending to go… Just throwing this out there but they could give Regina back her sister, her mother (with her heart in her chest, mind you), her father, and Daniel. So…yeah….
All of that would be Regina’s happy ending…given that Adam and Eddy have all but confirmed Zelena’s resurrection…I think Cora will just be in a flashback, obviously she’ll be involved in whatever huge shocker we’re to see about Regina’s past. Daniel though, Lana Parrilla has called that true love like “Young Love…or puppy love,”…she says now that Regina’s an adult, her connection and love with Robin Hood is a lot deeper.
Lana also said that although Robin and Henry seem like Regina’s most obvious happy endings…she says something much more internal within Regina…something deeper. Along those lines…probably forgiving her own self, something we saw in 4×05 that Regina struggles with.
"If you go as far as you can see...you will then see enough to go even further." - Finn Balor
CORA CORA CORA CORA. If there is only one thing I’m definitely excited about, it’s Cora.
In regards to RG’s statement (quoting on a phone is truly terrible), I’ve thought since the end of 4A that 4B was going to be very meta. “We’re exploring more of the show’s mythology,” “The author’s identity will be revealed,” “What makes a hero and what makes a villain,” “We’re bringing back every single villain ever from every season except for Greg and Tamara because no one liked them…”
If this isn’t the last season (and if they do this right, they could end it like this. I want 3×11-grade quality with all of these threads), they need a shortened S5.
Keeper of Thor’s Hammer, Will Scarlet’s Genie Bottle, Emma’s Gun, Emma and Henry’s Moment at the Castle, Cora, and the infamous Family Tree!
Daniel though, Lana Parrilla has called that true love like “Young Love…or puppy love,”…she says now that Regina’s an adult, her connection and love with Robin Hood is a lot deeper. Lana also said that although Robin and Henry seem like Regina’s most obvious happy endings…she says something much more internal within Regina…something deeper. Along those lines…probably forgiving her own self, something we saw in 4×05 that Regina struggles with.
Yes, and that’s really a very deep human story. Is it possible for an inherently good person who has done horrible things – to forgive herself and be truly happy? I mean, Regina’s challenge is not the people around her. They have all been magnanomous enough to forgive her. But Regina herself, as Robin has also noted, has struggled with a deep sense of self-loathing ever since Daniel died – and that has only grown stronger with her dark deeds.
You don’t think a Hook series could make it? I mean if he has a lot of fans, I think they would follow it.
If there was going to be another spin-off, I think a Neverland spin-off focussed on Baelfire’s time in Neverland would be the best route for several reasons:
1. It would be expanding on the story set up in Once without contradicting anything in Once since we’ve been given potential plot threads but haven’t actually seen anything.
2. Rather than a brand new story with brand new characters, it’s expanding on a previously established storyline with familiar characters. So whilst we’ll see Baelfire, Hook, Pan, Felix and Tinkerbell again, they still have the flexibility to introduce new characters such Tiger Lily, other original characters, etc. Plus since Ariel was in Neverland, they could include her as a guest character from time to time and expand her character.
3. We could get answers to all the unanswered questions that Neverland left? What was the dirty work Hook did for Pan? Why was Tinkerbell supposedly trusted by Pan? Why was Felix so loyal to Pan? Who was Rufio and what did Hook do to him? How did Baelfire escape Neverland? Why did Felix say he hoped never to see Baelfire again? What did Baelfire do to end up living on his own rather than at the lost boys camp? What did Wendy do in Neverland for over a century? How did Pan communicate with Michael and John? How did Pan get Henry’s picture? etc.
4. Although Hook is a popular character, he is also a divisive character within the fandom so making him the central character could turn some fans off from watching. Making Neverland an ensemble show which Hook is a part of means that, not only do you get the Hook fans watching, but also the Baelfire fans and the general fans who want to find out the answers to the questions left by the Neverland arc on Once. You’re audience base is increased by making an ensemble show and not a Hook centric one. Hook will be a lure for some people so he would probably be marketed quite heavily as a link between both shows but the show wouldn’t be all about Hook.
Daniel though, Lana Parrilla has called that true love like “Young Love…or puppy love,”…she says now that Regina’s an adult, her connection and love with Robin Hood is a lot deeper.
I disagree with this. Daniel was the whole reason for Regina’s turn to the dark side. His loss is what has driven Regina for the majority of her life. To say that Regina’s connection and love with Robin Hood, a guy she’s only really known for 2 weeks max, is “deeper” just flies in the face of what has gone before and actually diminishes the StableQueen relationship and thus Regina’s motivations as a character. If Regina’s connection to Daniel wasn’t as deep as her connection to Robin then why the hell did Regina spend decades waging a vendetta against Snow? The whole soulmates and “because pixie dust said so” crap is exceedingly flimsy at best but now adding a whole “Regina didn’t know what real love was until she met Robin” leaves a horrible taste in the mouth. The sun does not shine out of Robin Hood’s backside, he is not god’s gift to women. The writers might have a hard on for OQ, but they shouldn’t promote it to the point that they are actively trying to diminish the previous romantic relationships that both Regina and Robin have had. It damages both characters.
OQ has potential to be a good relationship on it’s own merits, but the writers throwing in the labels “soulmates” and “destined to be together” with a crap plot device then trying to ram the ship down the audience’s throat does not make the ship endearing, it makes it sickeningly sweet to the point that OQ is one step away from a diabetic coma. Marian and Daniel were very important and meaningful relationships in both Regina’s and Robin’s lives. Those relationships helped shape Regina and Robin as people. For the writers to try and diminish those relationships and say that OQ is “deeper” is wrong just because they feel OQ is threatened by the previous relationships. Perhaps if the writers actually took the time to build the OQ relationship on a stronger foundation than “because pixie dust said so” and just throwing the two characters together and saying “you have to like them, deal with it” then maybe they wouldn’t feel the need to try and ruin the previous relationships to try and make OQ look stronger than they are.
The Marian storyline should’ve been handled so differently. Marian should’ve been treated as an actual human being with feelings rather than as just an obstacle in OQ’s way that needed to be overcome. It would be perfectly acceptable to say “Daniel and Marian meant a lot to Regina and Robin respectively, they were their first true loves, so now Regina and Robin are trying to negotiate moving on with their lives and being in a new relationship with each other and trying to find a new happy ending” rather than saying “Daniel and Marian were meaningless compared to the greatness that is OQ. Regina and Robin didn’t know real love until they found each other. Daniel and Marian were nothing more than bed warmers preventing Robin and Regina being together”.
If the writers want the audience to support OQ, then they should build it up on its own merits, not try and belittle any other relationship Regina and Robin had in order to make OQ look better.
Lana also said that although Robin and Henry seem like Regina’s most obvious happy endings…she says something much more internal within Regina…something deeper. Along those lines…probably forgiving her own self, something we saw in 4×05 that Regina struggles with.
It would be interesting if this was the case with Regina forgiving herself. However, first she’d have to actually own up to any wrong doing on her part then actually feel remorse for it. She regrets nothing as evidence by her breaking free of the tree of regret.
I don’t think Regina needs to forgive herself in the sense that everything she did led to her getting Henry so she’s never going to regret her actions in that sense. However, I would like for her to acknowledge the feelings of others that were harmed by her actions and for her to try to make reparations somehow because she wants THEM to feel better, not because she’s doing it out of some benefit for herself.
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